Winks_Elf|1407160483|3725772 said:Even though I am a trade member, I do not consider myself to be an "expert" when it comes to diamonds as I still have much to learn. With that caveat out of the way, I would ask the vendor or seller. Every stone that I personally have seen with an indented natural and a cert had the indented natural notated on the cert. I have a feeling that might not be an indented natural.
apapap3|1407168843|3725836 said:Here you go:
Crown 35.5
Pavillion 40.6
Hi Melissa. I can only think it's noted. The posted snip doesn't include the "Key To Symbols." I'm seeing crystals/pinpoints and a needle or tiny feather in the crown plot. The pavilion inclusion is indeed plotted like an indented natural.Winks_Elf said:Every stone that I personally have seen with an indented natural and a cert had the indented natural notated on the cert.
Hi Wink. With all due respect I must disagree, due to the way it's plotted. "Indented" uses two colors (red and black) to denote a characteristic which is both external and internal. I am seeing two lines here, so my interpretation is that it's an indented natural, not an external natural. If so, it will be original rough skin as you describe, but its geometry dips slightly beneath the diamond's surface.Wink said:A natural is a small piece of the original skin of the diamond that was not removed during the polishing process. In this case, since the diamond finished at 1.50 cts to have done so would have taken the weight below the "magic" 1.50 ct weight, resulting in the diamond being worth much less than it is at 1.50 cts, even with the natural. What you have is a picture of where the diamond still has a bit of the original skin, and although it might look like it is indented, it is not.
John Pollard|1407170730|3725857 said:Hi Melissa. I can only think it's noted. The posted snip doesn't include the "Key To Symbols." I'm seeing crystals/pinpoints and a needle or tiny feather in the crown plot. The pavilion inclusion is indeed plotted like an indented natural.Winks_Elf said:Every stone that I personally have seen with an indented natural and a cert had the indented natural notated on the cert.
Hi Wink. With all due respect I must disagree, due to the way it's plotted. "Indented" uses two colors (red and black) to denote a characteristic which is both external and internal. I am seeing two lines here, so my interpretation is that it's an indented natural, not an external natural. If so, it will be original rough skin as you describe, but its geometry dips slightly beneath the diamond's surface.Wink said:A natural is a small piece of the original skin of the diamond that was not removed during the polishing process. In this case, since the diamond finished at 1.50 cts to have done so would have taken the weight below the "magic" 1.50 ct weight, resulting in the diamond being worth much less than it is at 1.50 cts, even with the natural. What you have is a picture of where the diamond still has a bit of the original skin, and although it might look like it is indented, it is not.
The main question for me: What is the order of inclusions-listed? I see at least four characteristics. Honestly, VS1 is safe regardless, but if the indented natural appears near the bottom of the list it's pretty negligible.
apapap3|1407170669|3725856 said:Yes. Its for an engagement ring which will just be a regular solitaire. Once I have pictures of the stone I'll post them. Maybe I could get your opinion on the appearance?
cflutist|1407172388|3725871 said:For those who are interested in plotting symbols:
apapap3|1407172760|3725876 said:Thank you all . Here's the link to the full report:
http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=6157431842&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&pagename=GIA%2FDispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547
I checked and it does list the indented natural last (Had no idea that they were in any kind of order). This is making me think now that it's not so bad.
apapap3|1407167566|3725825 said:Thanks! I'm working on getting some images now. They're going to send a top down view and also from the pavillion side where the natural is.
Here are the full specs. I know the depth is a little high but the price is awesome.
Price $14,874
Carat weight 1.53
Cut Ideal
Color F
Clarity VS1
Length/width ratio 1.01
Depth % 62.5%
Table % 57.0%
Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick
Culet None
Fluorescence Medium Blue
Measurements 7.35 x 7.30 x 4.58 mm
HCA 1.5
OoohShiny|1407922176|3731379 said:What's a 'Bearded Girdle'?
I'm having all sorts of bizarre images in my head!
Lorelei|1407173238|3725881 said:apapap3|1407172760|3725876 said:Thank you all . Here's the link to the full report:
http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=6157431842&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&pagename=GIA%2FDispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547
I checked and it does list the indented natural last (Had no idea that they were in any kind of order). This is making me think now that it's not so bad.
It could well be fine, as I mentioned earlier, it's unlikely to be an issue in VS1, I just tend to err on the side of caution. The proportions look good, the stone is facing up a little small for its weight, a 1.5 ct round should measure around 7.5mm, this falls slightly short but it's not necessarily a deal breaker and depending on price. Yes, grade making inclusions are listed in order of significance. See if you can get an Idealscope image of this diamond, that will tell us more.