Inclusions and other stuff.

[TheBlackCrain]

Hi all,

I'm currently looking at a diamond to buy but I'd like to get some additional opinions on it.

Now, as I understand it, this diamond is supposed to be a VS2 clarity according to it's report but from the hearts & arrows viewer has me questioning if it's true or not. Here are some pictures:

Actual picture:

Idealscope:

ASET:

Hearts and Arrows:
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This diamond is considered "eye-clean". I don't think the inclusion would diminish the shine from the diamond but it does show right through the table which is a bit of a concern for my fiance. In the first 3 pictures, the inclusion that I know of is circled but the little markings in the hearts and arrows viewer is what's deterring me. Are those undocumented inclusions? Would this diamond still be of good value even with the markings in the hearts and arrows viewer?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

[Dancing Fire]

IMO...There are much better VS stones to pick from. Did you talk to WF about the clarity issue?

 

[WinkHPD]

Hi all,

I'm currently looking at a diamond to buy but I'd like to get some additional opinions on it.

Now, as I understand it, this diamond is supposed to be a VS2 clarity according to it's report but from the hearts & arrows viewer has me questioning if it's true or not. Here are some pictures:

Actual picture:

Idealscope:

ASET:

Hearts and Arrows:
​

This diamond is considered "eye-clean". I don't think the inclusion would diminish the shine from the diamond but it does show right through the table which is a bit of a concern for my fiance. In the first 3 pictures, the inclusion that I know of is circled but the little markings in the hearts and arrows viewer is what's deterring me. Are those undocumented inclusions? Would this diamond still be of good value even with the markings in the hearts and arrows viewer?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

You have what looks to be a transparent inclusion under the table of the diamond which is shown as a reflecting inclusion in the hearts image. You will notice if you look carefully that some of the inclusions appear identical to one another, this is because they are reflections. The way the light reacts within the diamond makes the inclusion appear translucent, but not opaque, which is why I think it is probably transparent when viewed directly under the microscope.

I suspect that this diamond is completely eye clean to normal vision, although some extremely sharp eyed people may be able to detect it. I have a client who could have seen it when we first worked together, although he now can no longer see such things as he has gotten into his middle thirties.

The only way to know for sure of course if for you to see the diamond with your own eyes.

Wink

 

[TheBlackCrain]

IMO...There are much better VS stones to pick from. Did you talk to WF about the clarity issue?

I tried e-mailing them about this but it's the wknd, so I guess I've gotta wait until Monday (US time).

You have what looks to be a transparent inclusion under the table of the diamond which is shown as a reflecting inclusion in the hearts image. You will notice if you look carefully that some of the inclusions appear identical to one another, this is because they are reflections. The way the light reacts within the diamond makes the inclusion appear translucent, but not opaque, which is why I think it is probably transparent when viewed directly under the microscope.

I suspect that this diamond is completely eye clean to normal vision, although some extremely sharp eyed people may be able to detect it. I have a client who could have seen it when we first worked together, although he now can no longer see such things as he has gotten into his middle thirties.

The only way to know for sure of course if for you to see the diamond with your own eyes.

Wink

I've never ran into transparent inclusions before. I guess I should read up on them. Do you think they also have the same destructive properties as the normal inclusions?

I guess I should worry if they are value reducing as well. My fiance and I are taking this on from an investment point of view (I would like to pass this down someday), so I'd like us to get a gem with good value. I still like the gem but it would be awesome if I could have some room to haggle.

 

[drk14]

My fiance and I are taking this on from an investment point of view (I would like to pass this down someday), so I'd like us to get a gem with good value.

You may want to read this article, regarding the value of diamonds as a investments:
https://www.pricescope.com/journal/...nts_are_you_kidding_or_are_you_really_serious

 

[Lorelei]

Hi all,

I'm currently looking at a diamond to buy but I'd like to get some additional opinions on it.

Now, as I understand it, this diamond is supposed to be a VS2 clarity according to it's report but from the hearts & arrows viewer has me questioning if it's true or not. Here are some pictures:

Actual picture:

Idealscope:

ASET:

Hearts and Arrows:
​

This diamond is considered "eye-clean". I don't think the inclusion would diminish the shine from the diamond but it does show right through the table which is a bit of a concern for my fiance. In the first 3 pictures, the inclusion that I know of is circled but the little markings in the hearts and arrows viewer is what's deterring me. Are those undocumented inclusions? Would this diamond still be of good value even with the markings in the hearts and arrows viewer?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Hi TBC,

Wink nails it, as usual! Do remember these images are hugely magnified and depending on the size of the diamond, we are actually considering a speck in something the size of a pencil eraser, give or take a bit. WF will indeed be able to let you know whether this diamond is going to be eye clean to your standards or not. I have seen other VS2 with similar inclusions but it isn't possible nor wise to generalize, WF will be best able to help you decide whether this is the one or not.

As for the stone being an investment, drk posted an excellent article where you will see, sadly, diamonds are not good financial investments if that is what you have in mind. But it will certainly be a beautiful heirloom to pass down one day and should you ever decide to upgrade the stone, WF have a solid upgrade and buy back policy so you will be protecting your original investment although you will not make money on the diamond.

Please let us know what happens!

 

[TheBlackCrain]

Hi TBC,

Wink nails it, as usual! Do remember these images are hugely magnified and depending on the size of the diamond, we are actually considering a speck in something the size of a pencil eraser, give or take a bit. WF will indeed be able to let you know whether this diamond is going to be eye clean to your standards or not. I have seen other VS2 with similar inclusions but it isn't possible nor wise to generalize, WF will be best able to help you decide whether this is the one or not.

As for the stone being an investment, drk posted an excellent article where you will see, sadly, diamonds are not good financial investments if that is what you have in mind. But it will certainly be a beautiful heirloom to pass down one day and should you ever decide to upgrade the stone, WF have a solid upgrade and buy back policy so you will be protecting your original investment although you will not make money on the diamond.

Please let us know what happens!

I guess "investment" wasn't the proper term to use. I'm not actually planning on getting some kind of monetary returns from this thing. I meant it more on a personal scale.

Here's a link to the setting I'm in love with: http://www.whiteflash.com/engagemen...y-style-bead-set-diamond-wedding-set-1467.htm

In truth, we just want a diamond that''s would be eye clean and would suit this set. Could any of you suggest what we should be looking for?

 

[Lorelei]

I guess "investment" wasn't the proper term to use. I'm not actually planning on getting some kind of monetary returns from this thing. I meant it more on a personal scale.

Here's a link to the setting I'm in love with: http://www.whiteflash.com/engagemen...y-style-bead-set-diamond-wedding-set-1467.htm

In truth, we just want a diamond that''s would be eye clean and would suit this set. Could any of you suggest what we should be looking for?

No problem TBC, we tend to get a little nervous when the ' i' word for investment is mentioned around here, purely because we want to make sure anyone considering buying a diamond for that purpose gets the best info.

That's a very pretty setting indeed. You are absolutely on the right track with what to look for going by the diamond you posted, if you give us an idea of budget for the stone, we can hunt up some others that might suit, presumably you prefer to work with Whiteflash as they have the setting you want? Alternatively, they might be able to suggest some other diamonds that might fit your needs if this one is deemed unsuitable for you because of the placement and visibility of the inclusion. But that might not be the case, WF will be totally honest with you if the inclusion is going to be an issue or not.

But whatever you decide, we are pleased to help you and will happily help you find some more options if you wish.

 

[TheBlackCrain]

I guess "investment" wasn't the proper term to use. I'm not actually planning on getting some kind of monetary returns from this thing. I meant it more on a personal scale.

Here's a link to the setting I'm in love with: http://www.whiteflash.com/engagemen...y-style-bead-set-diamond-wedding-set-1467.htm

In truth, we just want a diamond that''s would be eye clean and would suit this set. Could any of you suggest what we should be looking for?

No problem TBC, we tend to get a little nervous when the ' i' word for investment is mentioned around here, purely because we want to make sure anyone considering buying a diamond for that purpose gets the best info.

That's a very pretty setting indeed. You are absolutely on the right track with what to look for going by the diamond you posted, if you give us an idea of budget for the stone, we can hunt up some others that might suit, presumably you prefer to work with Whiteflash as they have the setting you want? Alternatively, they might be able to suggest some other diamonds that might fit your needs if this one is deemed unsuitable for you because of the placement and visibility of the inclusion. But that might not be the case, WF will be totally honest with you if the inclusion is going to be an issue or not.

But whatever you decide, we are pleased to help you and will happily help you find some more options if you wish.

Thanks so much! My fiance thinks it's better for us to buy everything from WF at once to avoid the extra costs of having the loose diamond mailed separately and then having to pay again for a jeweler to set it. For the most part, we just want an eye clean diamond that is F or G in color (I think to match the other diamonds' color) and something in the range of .8-.9ct. So far, our budget for the diamond with those qualities have been in the ~5k range.

Also, could you confirm if I'm just scaring myself or not? From what we've got while researching diamonds, I figured that inclusions is a nice word for "weak point". That being said, are feathers near the girdle really that dangerous? I recently read a few stories where some ladies had unfortunate instances where their diamonds ended up breaking. If that had happened to me I would just bawl so I'm trying to see if I can take the proper precautions because I know I can be careless with my hand sometimes (banging it into the corner of my counter, door handles, table...etc.).

 

[Gypsy]

Yes you are scaring yourself, especially if you are looking at VS2 clarity. It made it off the cutting wheel (extreme stress), it's a VS2. It will not have an open feather at VS2. And you will have insurance for a freak issue.

 

[Gypsy]

Also you are looking at rounds. Not something with a point, like princesses, marquise, and pears. Points are much more prone to breakage then rounded ends.