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[ruby59]

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/29/trump-hosts-first-movie-screening-in-white-house-theater-amid-pr/21702642/


President Trump watched a movie this afternoon.

Protesters did not like the timing of it.

Did they like that Obama played a round of golf after James Foley was decapitated by terrorists?

 

[AnnaH]

Everything is politicized it seems, Ruby. Just as our former President could do no wrong, the current one will do nothing right for some.
Other Presidents have instituted temporary bans, even Obama. It's their responsibility to protect our country, our citizens. The implementation wasn't done well at the beginning with the newest ban, but the courts quickly corrected that, which I think was the correct action.
Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

 

[House Cat]

And I remember whenever we brought up the shoddy job that W did, you all would tell us "that was in the past."

You know what would be grand? If you would actually focus on the actions of your president and stop playing this tit for tat game. He's doing some really terrible things. As long as you play this game of comparison, you remain distracted. You play right into his hands and he gets to do whatever he wants.

Just sayin...

 

[AnnaH]

HC, the W discussion was way before my time here on HO. Those who agree with you found what the former President did relevant for comparison, but now that your lady isn't in, that comparison is not allowed? People were still talking about W during this last election.
Just because we don't agree on many issues doesn't mean I can't think for myself.

 

[AnnaH]

Ruby, you make an important point, and I appreciate that HC replied.
Granted, I take frequent breaks from this site, but I have not seen anyone post who is on the Trump bandwagon. Something else I haven't seen is criticism of President Obama from his fans. I'm sure it's happened once or twice, and I missed it.

 

[mary poppins]

Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

What indication are you aware of that danger from terrorists is imminent? The terrorism color code has been at yellow for quite some time, and is not and has not recently been elevated to red. http://terror-alert.com/ The most recent bulletin on the National Terrorism Advisory System is from November 2016 and speaks of concern about homegrown (domestic) violent extremists. https://www.dhs.gov/national-terrorism-advisory-system

Trump’s executive order signed Jan. 27, called "Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States," suspended for 90 days the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry of people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. If the purpose of the ban is to "more carefully vet immigrants" why doesn't the executive order include countries that were the source of the 9/11 attack - Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey? Maybe because that's where Trump has business interests.

If the concern is terrorists from Muslim-majority countries, why doesn't the list of banned countries actually reflect the top ten Muslim-majority countries - Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Algeria and Morocco? http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-muslim-populations-map.html

If the ban isn't based on religion, why has the White House said Christians get priority for entry to the US?

 

[lovedogs]

Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

What indication are you aware of that danger from terrorists is imminent? The terrorism color code has been at yellow for quite some time, and is not and has not recently been elevated to red. http://terror-alert.com/ The most recent bulletin on the National Terrorism Advisory System is from November 2016 and speaks of concern about homegrown (domestic) violent extremists. https://www.dhs.gov/national-terrorism-advisory-system

Trump’s executive order signed Jan. 27, called "Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States," suspended for 90 days the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry of people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. If the purpose of the ban is to "more carefully vet immigrants" why doesn't the executive order include countries that were the source of the 9/11 attack - Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey? Maybe because that's where Trump has business interests.

If the concern is terrorists from Muslim-majority countries, why doesn't the list of banned countries actually reflect the top ten Muslim-majority countries - Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Algeria and Morocco? http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-muslim-populations-map.html

If the ban isn't based on religion, why has the White House said Christians get priority for entry to the US?

Exactly, MP. The problem is that Trump (and others) rely on scare tactics in order to maintain support for their horrible agenda. If they scare enough people into thinking that a terrorist attack is imminent, then those individuals are far more likely to agree when they pull some BS like this. The fact is that terrorism from those places is NOT (and hasn't been) imminent. If the administration cared about actual threats, they'd be doing more about domestic terrorism (which, surprise! involves white men most of the time). But of course that will be ignored, because the entire point of this order is xenophobia, racism, religious discrimination, and business interests.

 

[E B]

Obama was heavily criticized for that, and he apologized. It may not be familiar given our current president doesn't seem to know how.

As far as the terror threat, in addition to info already shared, Spicer went on Morning Joe this AM and confirmed this wasn't done because of any imminent threat.

The pattern is pretty funny, though. For every 3 Trump threads, a "random liberal in *insert random state* said/did something bad"/Obama kind of did something similar thread. I do appreciate the effort, but no dumb celebrity/crazy lib erases the fact that Trump is basically dancing atop the Constitution in his first week. Disaster!

 

[AnnaH]

Trump ran on tightening our borders and temporarily halting immigration from certain areas so that a better vetting process could be implemented. Delaying those actions could encourage bad actors to slip in while they could. That's the hurry. The trump administration may add to President Obama's list and should, imo.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Why are people so surprised? This is what Trump said he was going to do during his campaign.

 

[ruby59]

Everything is politicized it seems, Ruby. Just as our former President could do no wrong, the current one will do nothing right for some.
Other Presidents have instituted temporary bans, even Obama. It's their responsibility to protect our country, our citizens. The implementation wasn't done well at the beginning with the newest ban, but the courts quickly corrected that, which I think was the correct action.
Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

If the protesters keep harping on hand size, and what he chose to watch as a movie and everything else they may not like, but others do, they will soon be the ones who cried wolf a bit too often and will soon lose all credibility.

I did not like the way Trump handled the situation. People on the plane should not have been held.

But I understand why he is doing this and it is about time.

In my home state, our largest city is a sanctuary city. I work in that city. I would never go there at night.

Can you imagine, hard working citizens cannot go to PPAC to see a play or to one of the fine restaurants there, because the criminals control the streets after dark?

 

[lovedogs]

Everything is politicized it seems, Ruby. Just as our former President could do no wrong, the current one will do nothing right for some.
Other Presidents have instituted temporary bans, even Obama. It's their responsibility to protect our country, our citizens. The implementation wasn't done well at the beginning with the newest ban, but the courts quickly corrected that, which I think was the correct action.
Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

If the protesters keep harping on hand size, and what he chose to watch as a movie and everything else they may not like, but others do, they will soon be the ones who cried wolf a bit too often and will soon lose all credibility.

I did not like the way Trump handled the situation. People on the plane should not have been held.

But I understand why he is doing this and it is about time.

In my home state, our largest city is a sanctuary city. I work in that city. I would never go there at night.

Can you imagine, hard working citizens cannot go to PPAC to see a play or to one of the fine restaurants there, because the criminals control the streets after dark?

....and you know that the "criminals control the streets" how, if you don't go there? And are all of those "criminals" immigrants? I sincerely doubt it.

 

[ruby59]

Everything is politicized it seems, Ruby. Just as our former President could do no wrong, the current one will do nothing right for some.
Other Presidents have instituted temporary bans, even Obama. It's their responsibility to protect our country, our citizens. The implementation wasn't done well at the beginning with the newest ban, but the courts quickly corrected that, which I think was the correct action.
Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

If the protesters keep harping on hand size, and what he chose to watch as a movie and everything else they may not like, but others do, they will soon be the ones who cried wolf a bit too often and will soon lose all credibility.

I did not like the way Trump handled the situation. People on the plane should not have been held.

But I understand why he is doing this and it is about time.

In my home state, our largest city is a sanctuary city. I work in that city. I would never go there at night.

Can you imagine, hard working citizens cannot go to PPAC to see a play or to one of the fine restaurants there, because the criminals control the streets after dark?

....and you know that the "criminals control the streets" how, if you don't go there? And are all of those "criminals" immigrants? I sincerely doubt it.

______________________________________________________

How do I know this? I have a subscription to our local newspaper. I watch the 11 o'clock news.

 

[lovedogs]

So all those "criminals" are immigrants?

 

[ruby59]

So all those "criminals" are immigrants?

Big difference between immigrants and illegals.

My grandparents were immigrants. They had to get a sponsor. Then they had to go through Ellis Island.


But to answer your question, when some of these criminals are identified or sentenced it is mentioned in the article that after they serve their sentences, they will be deported back to their country. These are not the immigrants of our forefathers.

 

[lovedogs]

So all those "criminals" are immigrants?

Big difference between immigrants and illegals.

My grandparents were immigrants. They had to get a sponsor. Then they had to go through Ellis Island.


But to answer your question, when some of these criminals are identified or sentenced it is mentioned in the article that after they serve their sentences, they will be deported back to their country. These are not the immigrants of our forefathers.

Immigrants now have to go through a process. They don't just walk in without any process or checking.

Also I have no clue what "article" you are referring to, or how your grandparents have anything to do with your mention that the sanctuary city near you is "run by criminals" at night. In the article you linked I see no mention of deportation for criminals. What Trump did was block anyone from those 7 countries for 90 days, and block refugees for 120 days. Again, that is completely irrelevant to your claim that the city is "run by criminals" unless you are claiming that those criminals are all from those 7 countries.


EDIT: here is how immigration works now. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works.. Any idea that immigrants can currently "just walk in" is based on incorrect fear-mongering, which is exactly how Trump and others scare people into agreeing with his insane rules. Which, BTW, are unconstitutional.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Oh lord here we go with the hand wringing dramatics.

What is the Trump administration doing to prioritize mental health? Since it would seem our greatest terror threat isn't some mysterious band of "criminals" that lurk the streets of Rhode Island, but rather domestic terrorism from our own.

 

[lovedogs]

Oh lord here we go with the hand wringing dramatics.

What is the Trump administration doing to prioritize mental health? Since it would seem our greatest terror threat isn't some mysterious band of "criminals" that lurk the streets of Rhode Island, but rather domestic terrorism from our own.

 

[ruby59]

So all those "criminals" are immigrants?

Big difference between immigrants and illegals.

My grandparents were immigrants. They had to get a sponsor. Then they had to go through Ellis Island.


But to answer your question, when some of these criminals are identified or sentenced it is mentioned in the article that after they serve their sentences, they will be deported back to their country. These are not the immigrants of our forefathers.

Immigrants now have to go through a process. They don't just walk in without any process or checking.

Also I have no clue what "article" you are referring to, or how your grandparents have anything to do with your mention that the sanctuary city near you is "run by criminals" at night. In the article you linked I see no mention of deportation for criminals. What Trump did was block anyone from those 7 countries for 90 days, and block refugees for 120 days. Again, that is completely irrelevant to your claim that the city is "run by criminals" unless you are claiming that those criminals are all from those 7 countries.


EDIT: here is how immigration works now. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works... Any idea that immigrants can currently "just walk in" is based on incorrect fear-mongering, which is exactly how Trump and others scare people into agreeing with his insane rules. Which, BTW, are unconstitutional.

Yes, immigrants have to go through a process. And what Trump is saying is that process is not good enough.

As far as why I brought my grandparents into the conversation and what it has to do with my article, the conversation morphed a bit after I made my initial post as they often do.

And I know how immigration works. But judging by all the violence that has been happening here lately, something is obviously not working.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Oh lord here we go with the hand wringing dramatics.

What is the Trump administration doing to prioritize mental health? Since it would seem our greatest terror threat isn't some mysterious band of "criminals" that lurk the streets of Rhode Island, but rather domestic terrorism from our own.

But Obama was gonna take away everyone's guns! Who do we blame???!!!! Someone tell me who to be mad at!

 

[Tekate]

Ruby, you make an important point, and I appreciate that HC replied.
Granted, I take frequent breaks from this site, but I have not seen anyone post who is on the Trump bandwagon. Something else I haven't seen is criticism of President Obama from his fans. I'm sure it's happened once or twice, and I missed it.

Check back on my posts, I"m an avid fan and have huge respect for Barack Obama, 8 years of constant and unending lies about him, his family, where he was born. BUT I did criticize him - especially on not ending the war in the middle east, he said he would and he didn't, he said there were things he found out after becoming president that changed his mind, I accepted this but I still criticize him for not doing what he said he would do.

Obama apologized for seeming uncaring about the beheading.. he had already spoken to the family, and he was on vacation and he blew it.. but I've yet to see King Cheeto apologizing for upending so many people.. it's not what America is..

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/07/politics/obama-golfing-optics/

 

[lovedogs]

So all those "criminals" are immigrants?

Big difference between immigrants and illegals.

My grandparents were immigrants. They had to get a sponsor. Then they had to go through Ellis Island.


But to answer your question, when some of these criminals are identified or sentenced it is mentioned in the article that after they serve their sentences, they will be deported back to their country. These are not the immigrants of our forefathers.

Immigrants now have to go through a process. They don't just walk in without any process or checking.

Also I have no clue what "article" you are referring to, or how your grandparents have anything to do with your mention that the sanctuary city near you is "run by criminals" at night. In the article you linked I see no mention of deportation for criminals. What Trump did was block anyone from those 7 countries for 90 days, and block refugees for 120 days. Again, that is completely irrelevant to your claim that the city is "run by criminals" unless you are claiming that those criminals are all from those 7 countries.


EDIT: here is how immigration works now. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works.... Any idea that immigrants can currently "just walk in" is based on incorrect fear-mongering, which is exactly how Trump and others scare people into agreeing with his insane rules. Which, BTW, are unconstitutional.

Yes, immigrants have to go through a process. And what Trump is saying is that process is not good enough.

As far as why I brought my grandparents into the conversation and what it has to do with my article, the conversation morphed a bit after I made my initial post as they often do.

And I know how immigration works. But judging by all the violence that has been happening here lately, something is obviously not working.

And you think the solution is a blanket ban? Or more "extreme vetting?

And what violence makes you think that something about immigration as it currently stands isn't working? There simply AREN'T recent examples of "terrorists" from the 7 banned countries doing anything violent.

 

[lovedogs]

Oh lord here we go with the hand wringing dramatics.

What is the Trump administration doing to prioritize mental health? Since it would seem our greatest terror threat isn't some mysterious band of "criminals" that lurk the streets of Rhode Island, but rather domestic terrorism from our own.

But Obama was gonna take away everyone's guns! Who do we blame???!!!! Someone tell me who to be mad at!

The answer is obvious. Be mad at Obama. Because guns are super-duper necessary, but Muslims are REALLY DANGEROUS! Plus, you never know when you might need a gun in school to protect from Grizzly bears.

 

[ruby59]

Why don't you show that chart to the parents of the little boy who died at the Boston Marathon.

Or to all those who no longer have two legs.

Your sanitized charts are numbers.

These are real people who are suffering because of it.

 

[Tekate]

Ruby, you make an important point, and I appreciate that HC replied.
Granted, I take frequent breaks from this site, but I have not seen anyone post who is on the Trump bandwagon. Something else I haven't seen is criticism of President Obama from his fans. I'm sure it's happened once or twice, and I missed it.

What do you think the Obama administration did? The vetting process takes years, under Obama. What is Cheeto going to do that isn't being done now? Obama's team used biometrics.

We are less for not taking refugees.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/under-new-us-syrian-refugee-surge-processing-time-reportedly-slashed

 

[lovedogs]

Why don't you show that chart to the parents of the little boy who died at the Boston Marathon.

Or to all those who know longer have two legs.

Your sanitized charts are numbers.

These are real people who are suffering because of it.

And the people who are suffering from the unconstitutional band aren't "real people"? Sorry (not sorry) that I am using facts and numbers to back up my point rather than irrational ranting.

 

[Tekate]

Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

What indication are you aware of that danger from terrorists is imminent? The terrorism color code has been at yellow for quite some time, and is not and has not recently been elevated to red. http://terror-alert.com/ The most recent bulletin on the National Terrorism Advisory System is from November 2016 and speaks of concern about homegrown (domestic) violent extremists. https://www.dhs.gov/national-terrorism-advisory-system

Trump’s executive order signed Jan. 27, called "Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States," suspended for 90 days the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry of people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. If the purpose of the ban is to "more carefully vet immigrants" why doesn't the executive order include countries that were the source of the 9/11 attack - Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey? Maybe because that's where Trump has business interests.

If the concern is terrorists from Muslim-majority countries, why doesn't the list of banned countries actually reflect the top ten Muslim-majority countries - Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Algeria and Morocco? http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-muslim-populations-map.html

If the ban isn't based on religion, why has the White House said Christians get priority for entry to the US?

Great post, thank you for the pointers. I'm sure that all the Jews in America are feeling thrilled at America being called a Christian country.. so much for inclusion and caring.

 

[ruby59]

Why don't you show that chart to the parents of the little boy who died at the Boston Marathon.

Or to all those who know longer have two legs.

Your sanitized charts are numbers.

These are real people who are suffering because of it.

And the people who are suffering from the unconstitutional band aren't "real people"? Sorry (not sorry) that I am using facts and numbers to back up my point rather than irrational ranting.

Dead children. People who lost limbs. Irrational thinking?

Yes, but by you.

Of course they are real people, live people, people whose bodies are in tact.

Too bad we cannot say the same for those mentioned above.

 

[Tekate]

Why don't you show that chart to the parents of the little boy who died at the Boston Marathon.

Or to all those who know longer have two legs.

Your sanitized charts are numbers.

These are real people who are suffering because of it.

How many children are killed by guns each year?

Nearly 1,500 children younger than 18 years of age die from shootings every year. 1 in 3 families with children have at least one gun in the house. There are more than 22 million children living in homes with guns. Most of the victims of unintentional shootings are boys.


http://www.nationwidechildrens.org/cirp-gun-safety

Every parent who has experienced the death of a child by violence is shattered I am sure.. I would be. I hardly think the numbers are sanitized, they are facts. From the tone of your words, it sounds as though you think the death of a child in a terrorist attack is worse than being accidentally shot by your little bro? I hope you don't mean that.

Ruby, people, children may die waiting to get out of Syria, it's not as though they are staying at the local HoJo.. they are refugees from war.

You do know that the bomber and his brother were from Kyrgyzstan - near Russia.. and the younger one was an American citizen I don't remember about the older one

 

[ruby59]

Some question, what's the hurry? Danger from terrorists is imminent. A temporary ban in order to more carefully vet immigrants should have happened before now.

What indication are you aware of that danger from terrorists is imminent? The terrorism color code has been at yellow for quite some time, and is not and has not recently been elevated to red. http://terror-alert.com/ The most recent bulletin on the National Terrorism Advisory System is from November 2016 and speaks of concern about homegrown (domestic) violent extremists. https://www.dhs.gov/national-terrorism-advisory-system

Trump’s executive order signed Jan. 27, called "Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States," suspended for 90 days the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry of people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. If the purpose of the ban is to "more carefully vet immigrants" why doesn't the executive order include countries that were the source of the 9/11 attack - Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey? Maybe because that's where Trump has business interests.

If the concern is terrorists from Muslim-majority countries, why doesn't the list of banned countries actually reflect the top ten Muslim-majority countries - Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Algeria and Morocco? http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-muslim-populations-map.html

If the ban isn't based on religion, why has the White House said Christians get priority for entry to the US?

Great post, thank you for the pointers. I'm sure that all the Jews in America are feeling thrilled at America being called a Christian country.. so much for inclusion and caring.

Jews know this is a Christian country. I live in a very Christian state. No secret here.