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Dancing Fire

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they have a "critique my fish" on koi forums that i frequent. the members suppose to give their honest opinion on the quality of the member''s fish posted. well, just imagine someone said...your E-ring is a low quality P.O.S.
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then the jeweler (in this case "the breeder of this POS") got involed with the thread.
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Haha... In that case, I think PS would suddenly become Troll heaven
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But are people really honest on the koi forum? Do members actually say ''your fish is a POS''? People post on here asking for opinions, but often they really don''t want honest opinions, nor do they usually get it.
 
I think it would be ok for the majority, but we have a couple, ahem, more AGGRESSIVE posters that would tell you outright that your ring sucked if they felt like it...whether it was true or not.

Not to mention, there are a couple people that REALLY don''t need any ego-stroking, either.
 
I really think the whole "vibe" of PS would change drastically.

For the most part, PS is pretty friendly...people generally get along, we're a pretty supportive bunch, with the cavet that the occasional thread gets snarky. But I think that if you were able to really "unleash the beast" I think it would escalate quickly--and would probably get nasty. I think people take a lot of pride in their jewelry--afterall, we're talking big $$$$, time and energy and a symbol of love...those things change ordinary rings into emotional keystones. People's feelings would be inevidably hurt and it would be a slipper slope from there. I personally cannot see anything good coming from such a topic.

And I agree with most of Monkeypies' post...some people don't need the reassurance...and others would just be mean for the sake of being mean.




 
I agree that the tone would change quickly. There are folks on here who take things very personally and I know would hold grudges (they already do!). I don''t think we meed to provide any more ammunition, especially knowing the history and behavior pattern of some people. The last thing I need is for someone to be hurt by something negative I said about a supposedly "enviable" and/or "breath taking" piece of jewelry and have that person track me down and stalk me elsewhere on the net.
 
Date: 5/19/2009 10:56:11 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
I really think the whole ''vibe'' of PS would change drastically.

For the most part, PS is pretty friendly...people generally get along, we''re a pretty supportive bunch, with the cavet that the occasional thread gets snarky. But I think that if you were able to really ''unleash the beast'' I think it would escalate quickly--and would probably get nasty. I think people take a lot of pride in their jewelry--afterall, we''re talking big $$$$, time and energy and a symbol of love...those things change ordinary rings into emotional keystones. People''s feelings would be inevidably hurt and it would be a slipper slope from there. I personally cannot see anything good coming from such a topic.

And I agree with most of Monkeypies'' post...some people don''t need the reassurance...and others would just be mean for the sake of being mean.




+1.

I think that there would be a lot of hurt feelings - espcially if you are coming to this forum after the fact (like me). I also think that this place would become a troll haven - some people just like to be mean for the sake of being mean.

As far as the jeweler getting involved - eh - sometimes it doesn''t hurt to hear both sides of the story. Some people want the world, and when they''re told it''s not possible they pitch a fit and look for someone to blame - i.e. the jeweler and I don''t think that''s fair.

DF - are people actually honest on the koi forum?
 
That thread sounds mean. MY DH is sooo hot IRL, but he photographs like I don''t know what... but he just can''t take a good photo. There is something that is lost in the still image. Just like w/ diamonds...
 
How in the world does one critique the quality of a fish?
 
sounds dangerous to me
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Jewelry is very personal. Often times it is chosen with meaning and sentiment that may never translate to what someone else might desire or find truly beautiful. That is part of the allure of jewelry. It is a unique and meanigful expression.
There are no ''breed standards'' to measure against and a critique forum would be useless, if not harmful.
I''m glad that we can provide an outlet for things other than jewelry though!
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Date: 5/19/2009 11:22:02 AM
Author: EBree
How in the world does one critique the quality of a fish?


Exactly, that is what I was thinking too.
 
It would be horribly cruel to have a "critique my ring" forum. I would think that PS members have enough class that if they do see a ring they don''t like that they simply choose not to respond to that thread. Personally, I''ve seen plenty of rings that are not my style, but I understand the love behind many of the pieces posted and I keep my mouth shut because of that. Why burst someone''s bubble? I refuse to be the one to do so.

I do think we''re lucky here on PS to have RT to help guide individuals the "perfect" diamond. I wish everyone had the opportunty to post there *before* purchasing any stone!
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Date: 5/19/2009 11:52:52 AM
Author: Linda W

Date: 5/19/2009 11:22:02 AM
Author: EBree
How in the world does one critique the quality of a fish?


Exactly, that is what I was thinking too.
Doesn''t everyone know this?


"Conformation High quality begins with the overall shape and condition of the koi, or its conformation. High quality koi should have no defects in body shape. The body must be balanced, symmetrical and torpedo-shaped. The fins should be in proportion to the body and even. Doitsu (partially scaled) koi should have balanced, even rows of scales."

 
Date: 5/19/2009 11:55:58 AM
Author: MC

Date: 5/19/2009 11:52:52 AM
Author: Linda W


Date: 5/19/2009 11:22:02 AM
Author: EBree
How in the world does one critique the quality of a fish?


Exactly, that is what I was thinking too.
Doesn''t everyone know this?



''Conformation High quality begins with the overall shape and condition of the koi, or its conformation. High quality koi should have no defects in body shape. The body must be balanced, symmetrical and torpedo-shaped. The fins should be in proportion to the body and even. Doitsu (partially scaled) koi should have balanced, even rows of scales.''

If it''s belly up, it''s not a good one.
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:11:34 PM
Author: TravelingGal
If it''s belly up, it''s not a good one.

That''s EXACTLY what I was thinking, HAH!
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:11:34 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 5/19/2009 11:55:58 AM
Author: MC

Doesn''t everyone know this?




''Conformation High quality begins with the overall shape and condition of the koi, or its conformation. High quality koi should have no defects in body shape. The body must be balanced, symmetrical and torpedo-shaped. The fins should be in proportion to the body and even. Doitsu (partially scaled) koi should have balanced, even rows of scales.''

If it''s belly up, it''s not a good one.
What if it you were fishing for one? Do koi make for good eating? The quality of the fillet of koi was delicate and sweet.
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Date: 5/19/2009 11:04:23 AM
Author: DivaDiamond007

DF - are people actually honest on the koi forum?
well,they have a "main forum", where even if you posted a low quality fish there they''ll still say...pretty fish,very nice,blah,blah,blah...but if members posted a low quality fish on the "judge my koi forum" the knowledgeable members should give their honest opinion,that way newbies can learn from the more experienced hobbyist,but then you have members saying...why are you guys being so "rude" ?

look at it this way...if a newbie posted a poorly cut stone on PS are we all supposed to say "very pretty" ?
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:27:30 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
Date: 5/19/2009 11:04:23 AM

Author: DivaDiamond007



DF - are people actually honest on the koi forum?
well,they have a ''main forum'', where even if you posted a low quality fish there they''ll still say...pretty fish,very nice,blah,blah,blah...but if members posted a low quality fish on the ''judge my koi forum'' the knowledgeable members should give their honest opinion,that way newbies can learn from the more experienced hobbyist,but then you have members saying...why are you guys being so ''rude'' ?


look at it this way...if a newbie posted a poorly cut stone on PS are we all supposed to say ''very pretty'' ?

No, if they''ve already purchased or received the stone you either don''t comment or say congratulations you must be thrilled. If they''re shopping for a stone and the bad one is one of the ones they specify, you gently direct them towards a different stone.

Jewelry/stones and the aesthetics of both are very subjective. Take the instance of florescence. Some people love it, some people hate it. It''s up to the individual who owns the stone to love it/hate it.
 
Date: 5/19/2009 11:29:10 AM
Author: Ali
Jewelry is very personal. Often times it is chosen with meaning and sentiment that may never translate to what someone else might desire or find truly beautiful. That is part of the allure of jewelry. It is a unique and meanigful expression.

There are no 'breed standards' to measure against and a critique forum would be useless, if not harmful.

I'm glad that we can provide an outlet for things other than jewelry though!
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100% ditto! I know there are plenty of people who dislike my ring/set, but that's not what it's about for me. I know I would never post my ring(s) asking for 'critiques' of it/them, because I just don't see a constructive purpose to it.

Unless it were purely a quality-control thing. You could post extremely detailed pictures of the setting to get feedback on possible integrity issues, etc. (as opposed to the style) - but people can ask for that in Rocky Talk.
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:13:21 PM
Author: MC


Date: 5/19/2009 12:11:34 PM
Author: TravelingGal



Date: 5/19/2009 11:55:58 AM
Author: MC

Doesn't everyone know this?






'Conformation High quality begins with the overall shape and condition of the koi, or its conformation. High quality koi should have no defects in body shape. The body must be balanced, symmetrical and torpedo-shaped. The fins should be in proportion to the body and even. Doitsu (partially scaled) koi should have balanced, even rows of scales.'

If it's belly up, it's not a good one.
What if it you were fishing for one? Do koi make for good eating? The quality of the fillet of koi was delicate and sweet.
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i went koi shopping this past weekend. this fish was gonna be on our dinner table that evenning until the dealer quoted me $60,000. we then had to change our dinner plan.
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btw; the red and white fish on top of the pic was a little cheaper at $8000.
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*vendor* pic of my new fish. I don''t know how "enhanced" the lighting is but he sure glows like crazy IRL.

I do believe there''s an inclusion just under his left fin...but he doesn''t move that one very much when he''s swimming so you hardly see it without a loupe.

He may be smaller than some but he makes up for it in liveliness in the pond.

My pond is pudgy and short so he looks bigger when swimming in it (relatively speaking) than some of the girls'' in my office''s pond/fish combo.

I''ve already asked sweet DH for an upgrade: I''d prefer one with more orange in him.

Do you think I could put him in the u/s????
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LS

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Date: 5/19/2009 12:56:34 PM
Author: LostSapphire
*vendor* pic of my new fish. I don''t know how ''enhanced'' the lighting is but he sure glows like crazy IRL.

I do believe there''s an inclusion just under his left fin...but he doesn''t move that one very much when he''s swimming so you hardly see it without a loupe.

He may be smaller than some but he makes up for it in liveliness in the pond.

My pond is pudgy and short so he looks bigger when swimming in it (relatively speaking) than some of the girls'' in my office''s pond/fish combo.

I''ve already asked sweet DH for an upgrade: I''d prefer one with more orange in him.

Do you think I could put him in the u/s????
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LS

Are you sure that''s a real fish?
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:27:30 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 5/19/2009 11:04:23 AM
Author: DivaDiamond007


DF - are people actually honest on the koi forum?
well,they have a ''main forum'', where even if you posted a low quality fish there they''ll still say...pretty fish,very nice,blah,blah,blah...but if members posted a low quality fish on the ''judge my koi forum'' the knowledgeable members should give their honest opinion,that way newbies can learn from the more experienced hobbyist,but then you have members saying...why are you guys being so ''rude'' ?

look at it this way...if a newbie posted a poorly cut stone on PS are we all supposed to say ''very pretty'' ?
I can actually think of one member (maybe an ex-member now, who knows) that got engaged with a very typical maul store ring. It was pretty and a very trendy design. Although it was good in many ways, it was probably not the A++ quality many PS members would want for themselves or recommend to someone else.

However...no one called her "out" on it. Why? Because it wasn''t our place! She was thrilled with it...and in the end, that is what matters the most.

People on PS are, in general, a very educated and diamond savvy group...but not everyone has the same means or desires. Some people simply want a ring...they don''t care about the 4c''s. Others want a big, fat stone and carat is king. Others want the best color, or clarity or cut. It''s not our place to "critique" that.
 
It''s a beautiful fish, but it doesn''t look real DF.
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:59:47 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 5/19/2009 12:56:34 PM
Author: LostSapphire
*vendor* pic of my new fish. I don''t know how ''enhanced'' the lighting is but he sure glows like crazy IRL.

I do believe there''s an inclusion just under his left fin...but he doesn''t move that one very much when he''s swimming so you hardly see it without a loupe.

He may be smaller than some but he makes up for it in liveliness in the pond.

My pond is pudgy and short so he looks bigger when swimming in it (relatively speaking) than some of the girls'' in my office''s pond/fish combo.

I''ve already asked sweet DH for an upgrade: I''d prefer one with more orange in him.

Do you think I could put him in the u/s????
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LS

Are you sure that''s a real fish?
YOU CALLING HIM A SIMULANT?????

Put up your dukes!!!!
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LS
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:13:21 PM
Author: MC

Date: 5/19/2009 12:11:34 PM
Author: TravelingGal


Date: 5/19/2009 11:55:58 AM
Author: MC

Doesn''t everyone know this?





''Conformation High quality begins with the overall shape and condition of the koi, or its conformation. High quality koi should have no defects in body shape. The body must be balanced, symmetrical and torpedo-shaped. The fins should be in proportion to the body and even. Doitsu (partially scaled) koi should have balanced, even rows of scales.''

If it''s belly up, it''s not a good one.
What if it you were fishing for one? Do koi make for good eating? The quality of the fillet of koi was delicate and sweet.
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They''re like giant goldfish aren''t they? Do you like the taste of goldfish...?
 
"Critique My Ring"?????

That would be asking for trouble. Big fat ugly trouble. Trouble with a capital T (as they say in River City).

It would go the way of the political threads. Only much more quickly.
 
Date: 5/19/2009 1:03:32 PM
Author: LostSapphire

Date: 5/19/2009 12:59:47 PM
Author: TravelingGal


Date: 5/19/2009 12:56:34 PM
Author: LostSapphire
*vendor* pic of my new fish. I don''t know how ''enhanced'' the lighting is but he sure glows like crazy IRL.

I do believe there''s an inclusion just under his left fin...but he doesn''t move that one very much when he''s swimming so you hardly see it without a loupe.

He may be smaller than some but he makes up for it in liveliness in the pond.

My pond is pudgy and short so he looks bigger when swimming in it (relatively speaking) than some of the girls'' in my office''s pond/fish combo.

I''ve already asked sweet DH for an upgrade: I''d prefer one with more orange in him.

Do you think I could put him in the u/s????
31.gif


LS

Are you sure that''s a real fish?
YOU CALLING HIM A SIMULANT?????

Put up your dukes!!!!
27.gif


LS
strange name for a fish, but hey, whatever floats your fish.

Personally, I''ve seen better fish at petco.
 
Date: 5/19/2009 1:15:15 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 5/19/2009 1:03:32 PM
Author: LostSapphire


Date: 5/19/2009 12:59:47 PM
Author: TravelingGal



Date: 5/19/2009 12:56:34 PM
Author: LostSapphire
*vendor* pic of my new fish. I don''t know how ''enhanced'' the lighting is but he sure glows like crazy IRL.

I do believe there''s an inclusion just under his left fin...but he doesn''t move that one very much when he''s swimming so you hardly see it without a loupe.

He may be smaller than some but he makes up for it in liveliness in the pond.

My pond is pudgy and short so he looks bigger when swimming in it (relatively speaking) than some of the girls'' in my office''s pond/fish combo.

I''ve already asked sweet DH for an upgrade: I''d prefer one with more orange in him.

Do you think I could put him in the u/s????
31.gif


LS

Are you sure that''s a real fish?
YOU CALLING HIM A SIMULANT?????

Put up your dukes!!!!
27.gif


LS
strange name for a fish, but hey, whatever floats your fish.

Personally, I''ve seen better fish at petco.
THAT''s where I got him! Isn''t that a good thing?
LS
 
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