Images in for 1.35 H Vs1...thoughts?

[RockAndRoll2006]

Hey all. So B2C just got the diamond I ordered from their diamond source and took several pictures. It is an 1.35 H Vs1 excellent cut, VG polish, VG symmetry. Please let me know your thoughts. Note that it has an indented natural on the GIA report. Should I ask for an image of it?

GIA (#: 5131802260): http://www.adiamor.com/certdetails.aspx?did=13287117&d=1

HCA:

 

[tyty333]

What's the price? Is this for an engagement ring?

 

[RockAndRoll2006]

Yes its going to go into an engagement ring....for diamond alone, price was $9,416 out the door.

I am still a rookie, but my initial instinct when I saw the images was "wtf...that seems like a lot of leakage." Did I order one of those 5% diamonds that will produce well on HCA, but not in real life?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

It doesn't have a lot of leakage. It is just not the most well cut GIA ex out there. I'll see if I can find anything similar.

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3150818.htm?source=pricescope (this will have a PS discount but still $1000 more. Better cut, though.)'

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3063719.htm?source=pricescope (better cut, lower clarity, similar price)

I personally would not be satisfied with that stone you posted.

 

[tyty333]

It doesn't have a lot of leakage. It is just not the most well cut GIA ex out there. I'll see if I can find anything similar.

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3150818.htm?source=pricescope (this will have a PS discount but still $1000 more. Better cut, though.)'

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3063719.htm?source=pricescope (better cut, lower clarity, similar price)

I personally would not be satisfied with that stone you posted.

RR2006, I would definitely go for one of these over the one you picked.

 

[CanuckAB]

Looking at the report and HCA I didn't see any red flags. These pictures are not great. This really shows why ASET and idealscope pictures are so important even with great HCA scores! It's the first time I've seen photos like these on what looked like a really promising diamond. Thanks for posting everything! Can I ask, what does the diamond look like to you in person?

 

[tyty333]

From JA
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.34-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-320911
Have to ask if eye-clean.

There is this one too but its got a lot of stuff in it (may or may not be eye-clean)
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.35-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-282329

You can request idealscope for these stones to check on leakage.

 

[RockAndRoll2006]

Oy, frustrated. I suppose this is why the price seemed solid? I did not see this diamond in person, as it was purchased through online vendor. It still is with them.

Waiting for a few more people to confirm (not doubting any opinions stated, but the more feedback the better)...then I suppose I contact B2C and ask for my wire transfer back and tell them not to send it. Ug...back to phase one.

For educational purposes, here is the forum post for when I did not have images: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/opinion-on-this-1-35-rb-h-vs1.203413/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/opinion-on-this-1-35-rb-h-vs1.203413/[/URL]

 

[CanuckAB]

Sorry, I missed the part that it was still with B2C.

Don't get discouraged. There are lot's of experienced PSers here who will help you find the perfect stone.

 

[RockAndRoll2006]

It doesn't have a lot of leakage. It is just not the most well cut GIA ex out there.

Is this something that I should have been able to predict? Based off information I had previously did I make right choice to order the diamond? Or are we now able to notice it's a bad cut based off the images?

 

[SirGuy]

This sure gets tricky quickly, doesn't it? Remember the HCA is considered a rejection tool, and should not be used for selection. If a stone hits under 2.0, then it's worth further consideration. It can still easily be rejected after that, as you can see!

Cut is king. If you're willing to go down a little in size, there are lots of great stones within your budget with spread between 6.5 and 6.8mm that have better cut.

Check out this one, for example, from High Performance Diamonds. 1.14 carat (6.735mm), H SI1, with a great cut. If eye clean it's a good idea of something else to consider in your budget.
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity-new&id=798

I think you're on the right track and open to ideas! I would suggest looking closely at spread (diameter) and not just weight. Because round brilliant stones generally keep the same proportions from the girdle to the culet, a round brilliant will increase its weight at a curiously deceptive rate compared to its diameter.

As an example, a .66 carat stone might have a diameter of 5.5mm, and a .33 carat stone (half the weight) might have a diameter of 4.4mm. So the smaller stone is half the weight but still 80% the spread. In the lovely consistency of mathematics this holds true as you look at bigger stones. Although stones are casually measured in weight (a carat being 0.2 grams) what we care about is finger coverage: girdle diameter or "spread."

Learning about diamonds and how to shop for them online is a lot of fun. The 4 C's are like sliders on a sound board. Dial up and dial down for each one. Each affects price, and everything is a compromise. The question is where you want the compromise to be.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

It doesn't have a lot of leakage. It is just not the most well cut GIA ex out there.

Is this something that I should have been able to predict? Based off information I had previously did I make right choice to order the diamond? Or are we now able to notice it's a bad cut based off the images?

No, you can't predict it from numbers. That is why we say things like the HCA are just screeners. You need idealscope or ASET images to be sure. The diamond isn't terrible, it is just not one of the better cut GIA Excellents. You are spending a lot of money, and I would think you'd want a better cut stone since you are here asking for advice. However, there are people who'd rather have a poorer cut and larger size! People vary, as Kenny says! Also, it is far easier to just buy from a vendor who specializes in well cut stones like WhiteFlash and Good Old Gold. You may pay a little more, but you also usually get what you pay for. I'd just rather go a little smaller and get a better cut stone, personally. That said, you can find a well cut stone through virtual listings such as through B2C. But it may take some trial and error to get to a great one.

 

[TC1987]

It has a symmetry grade of "very good" but I don't like the way some arrows stand out and a couple others "disappear." You can see that throughout the photos. At first I thought the stone was just tilted a bit for ASET and IS. But it shows the same wonkiness in all photos. I say back out of that deal and look for something with better symmetry. Not necessarily Ex symmetry, but something that doesn't look odd like that. If there are going to be arrows or arrow-ish lines, then all of them should look alike, not some are bold and some are not. In real life, you probably wouldn't notice it that much, but that's impossible to determine unless you can inspect it or can see a really good video.

 

[RockAndRoll2006]

Thank you all for your replies. Really appreciate it. Great call SirGuy about looking more at spread/diameter rather than ct.

I absolutely love feedback here diamondseeker and feel very fortunate to have come upon this forum. I wonder if others on PS can remember how it felt their first time rejecting a diamond after paying a deposit (and a $30 wire fee from bank) and getting hopes up.

While I'm disappointed this diamond did not end up working out, I am ready to explore other options. Thanks to those who have already posted a few already! I will take a look at these.

Best,
R&R

 

[JulieN]

If the price is right, it is fine. not as precisely cut as other stones.

 

[Lorelei]

Thank you all for your replies. Really appreciate it. Great call SirGuy about looking more at spread/diameter rather than ct.

I absolutely love feedback here diamondseeker and feel very fortunate to have come upon this forum. I wonder if others on PS can remember how it felt their first time rejecting a diamond after paying a deposit (and a $30 wire fee from bank) and getting hopes up.

While I'm disappointed this diamond did not end up working out, I am ready to explore other options. Thanks to those who have already posted a few already! I will take a look at these.

Best,
R&R

Definitely, it's an exciting and potentially frustrating time, most of us have been there and very few of us probably scored a home run at first bat! That really isn't a bad diamond at all you posted by any stretch of the imagination, it's not cut to Superideal standards but it is better than the vast majority of stones you will see, it just depends on what you are looking for. I can promise you this though, get the best cut diamond you can and you won't regret it, it's worth a little disappointment now to get a magnificently beautiful diamond. Also, the indented natural is unlikely to be an issue, ask B2C to verify that should you proceed.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Truly, your timing of checking out the diamond was perfect. What is so sad is when guys come here asking for approval AFTER a non-refundable purchase! Many times that is a sad situation. The big red flag is a vendor that doesn't offer unconditional returns as those are never good to buy from. In your case, you still could have returned the stone even if it was sent to you. So you are doing just fine!