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Idealscope - is it a good stone? I need to make a decision right away.

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cectra79

cectra79

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Here''s the idealscope for an 1.62. It''s supposed to be an SI1 GIA tripple EX, but I was told that you can see one of the inclusions if you know where to look. It scores 0.7 on HCA, and the sparkles supposed to mask the inclusion. Is it good? I have the stone on hold, but I have to make a decision RIGHT now.
Is it a good stone? Should I keep looking? Other than this inclusion, it is PERFECT.

Please help!

1132399 - Idealscope.JPG
 
Can you post the specs?
 
GIA 1.62 F SI1
60.1 56 33.5 40.8
No culet, no fluor.
7.68 - 7.7 x 4.62

It''s right at $13000
 
It's a little shallow (extra black in the IS)
 
Does it mean it''s not a good stone? Will it not look as good? It''s a lot of money to pay for not a perfect stone. I''m really concerned about the inclusion...

Thanks for your input! Keep ''em coming! LOL
 
you might go with an SI2 that's eye-clean to eye-cleanish, rather than getting an SI1 that is only eye-cleanish.

shallow stones are not suggested for those under 40 and/or myopic. also not for those with big hair.
 
Where is this rock coming from? If you are working with one of our recomended vendors you will have a generous window to view the diamond and than return it if you aren''t in love - and that is the only way to ensure that you can live with the inclusions
 
I'm working with James Allen, and I have to make a decision if I want to wire the money. If it's not the right stone, I don't want to tie up my budget, and then have to wait to ship the stone back, wait for the check, and then possibly miss out on another better stone.

Is it really shallow? It's within the AGS ideal and GIA excellent cut, and it scored 0.7 on HCA. Can it really be that bad?

Why is it not recommended for those under 40? I guess I'm not myopic since I had to look it up in google. lol And I don't have big hair - why is so bad for those with big hair anyway?
 
Date: 4/29/2008 5:15:00 PM
Author: cectra79
I'm working with James Allen, and I have to make a decision if I want to wire the money. If it's not the right stone, I don't want to tie up my budget, and then have to wait to ship the stone back, wait for the check, and then possibly miss out on another better stone.

Is it really shallow? It's within the AGS ideal and GIA excellent cut, and it scored 0.7 on HCA. Can it really be that bad?

Why is it not recommended for those under 40? I guess I'm not myopic since I had to look it up in google. lol And I don't have big hair - why is so bad for those with big hair anyway?
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Because it creates shadows that makes the stone look dark (aka head obstruction). It really isn't a bad stone at all, but usually shallower stones are best for earrings as they tend to be brighter and don't get the up close scutiny of a ring stone which then gets into this head obstruction thing.
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Hmmmmmmmm.... Ineresting... LOL

So should I pass it up, or is it still worth taking a look at, tying up the money, and then spending $40 to send it back?

Thanks!
 
Thanks for this link, and for all your replies!

I''m very color sensitive, and I saw some G''s I didn''t like. I would definitely see color in an H. Besides, I''m not a fan of fluorecence, especially Strong Blue. I think I''ll pass on that one. If you can help me find something in the same color, I would greatly appreciate it!
 
Ok. What''s the top dollar you''ll pay?
 
It kind of depends on the stone. But I guess $15k. If it's a G, it has to be a really high G. I tend to like diamonds no deeper than 61% and table of about 56-57%. oh, and no strong or medium fluorecence. And of course, it has to be $2k better than this one LOL

Thanks so much!

So you think this 1.62 is not a very good stone after all?
 
Date: 4/29/2008 7:44:02 PM
Author: cectra79
It kind of depends on the stone. But I guess $15k. If it''s a G, it has to be a really high G. I tend to like diamonds no deeper than 61% and table of about 56-57%. oh, and no strong or medium fluorecence.

Thanks so much!

So you think this 1.62 is not a very good stone after all?
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It''s not horrible, but I think there might be better cuts to be had. Lemme see.
 
Are you judging this stone by the idealscope picture, or just the specs?
I noticed that the picture is pretty blurry, but I don''t know if it''s the quality of the picture or the diamond?
What does this idealscope pic tell you? I really want to understand. I compared it to many others and it looks the same. Can you please educate me on this example? Thanks in advance!
 
Date: 4/29/2008 7:44:02 PM
Author: cectra79
It kind of depends on the stone. But I guess $15k. If it''s a G, it has to be a really high G. I tend to like diamonds no deeper than 61% and table of about 56-57%. oh, and no strong or medium fluorecence. And of course, it has to be $2k better than this one LOL

Thanks so much!

So you think this 1.62 is not a very good stone after all?
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Are sure about your fluorence tastes?

The first stone I saw with blue fluro I hated, but that was before I knew better. When I saw the same fluro in a AGS0 it was awesome. I have a stone very similar to the one from niceice (same cutter, almost same specs, mine us an F so I understand your color concerns).

By ruling out the fluro you are limiting yourself, but lots of people don''t like it so if you are sure we will find you something else
 
Date: 4/29/2008 8:06:54 PM
Author: cectra79
Are you judging this stone by the idealscope picture, or just the specs?
I noticed that the picture is pretty blurry, but I don't know if it's the quality of the picture or the diamond?
What does this idealscope pic tell you? I really want to understand. I compared it to many others and it looks the same. Can you please educate me on this example? Thanks in advance!
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The IS is showing good light return. The crown angle, as pointed out is a bit shallow. It's not horrible, but the stone may tend to put out more white light return and a little less fire. Ideally it would be nice if it were up to 34 and/or a bit past. That would make for a more balanced stone. Crown and pavilion angles need to work in harmony.

I don't know that head obstruction would be a huge problem here, because the pavilion angle is not shallow. And overall, like I said, this isn't a horrible stone, at all. But if it were me and I could find one a bit more balanced, I would.

Having said all this, I can't find anything in that range, at that size. There might be a couple possibilities if you didn't mind a slightly smaller stone, or a slightly more expensive. If you do decide to get this stone, just be aware that JA's upgrade policy is twice the original amount. So if after your return time, you decided you wanted something bigger/better, it will not be cheap.

Here's what I found.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-560213.htm 5% PS discount not reflected


http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-906729.htm I have doubts about eye cleanliness, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/3962/
 
Thank you guys so much!

I talked to my husband and he insists I get something closer to 2 carat now. I found one an JA but ut scores lower on HCA than the one I started the thread with.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1132364.asp

My budget now is about $20 - 23k. I like JA search engine, and I''m not having as much luck with WF or GOG.

What do you think about the second JAstone compared with the first one, and can you please help me find something better?
 
Date: 4/30/2008 10:16:23 AM
Author: cectra79
Thank you guys so much!

I talked to my husband and he insists I get something closer to 2 carat now. I found one an JA but ut scores lower on HCA than the one I started the thread with.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1132364.asp

My budget now is about $20 - 23k. I like JA search engine, and I'm not having as much luck with WF or GOG.

What do you think about the second JAstone compared with the first one, and can you please help me find something better?
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This diamond looks good, the HCA should be used to eliminate diamonds and not select them, therefore a lower score doesn't mean a diamond is better than another which scores higher for example.
 
Date: 4/30/2008 10:16:23 AM
Author: cectra79
Thank you guys so much!

I talked to my husband and he insists I get something closer to 2 carat now. I found one an JA but ut scores lower on HCA than the one I started the thread with.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1132364.asp

My budget now is about $20 - 23k. I like JA search engine, and I''m not having as much luck with WF or GOG.

What do you think about the second JAstone compared with the first one, and can you please help me find something better?
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This one definitely has potential! It would be nice if they would give you an IS pic on it. Not sure if they will since it''s not a H&A, but you can ask, can''t hurt.
 
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