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If one seeks "IDEAL" in a fancy shape, you will NEVER select an 80% deep Princess cut over a 65% depth one provided they have equal light return and brilliancy. The 65% depth one will be SUPERIOR simply then because it does look larger. The 80% depth stone may be a great performer, but it falls down on the apparent size issue. This means it could NOT ever be IDEAL, if something BETTER equals its light performance and also has a better attribute, namely apparent size.

You can readily select the finest POTENTIAL fancy shapes by numbers and parameters. Right now you cannot predict which ones will give the very finest light return, but you can eliminate all the stones that will be too thin, too thick, not durable, or ugly in length to width ratio. This is not an imaginary benefit that was dreamed up somewhere, but comes from years of grading diamonds and being interested in what other experts want and expect from the finest fancy shapes. An ugly fancy will NEVER be an IDEAL. A very deep fancy will never be a true IDEAL. A fragile stone will never be IDEAL. Too deep a stone, no matter how brilliant, is not IDEAL, Too thin a stone, no matter how large or accidentally brilliant, will never be IDEAL.

IDEAL is the ULTIMATE, not simply performance based on brilliancy. While strictly brilliancy may be the way the general industry would like to grade fancy shapes and/or rounds, so that any diamond, no matter how poorly cut, but brilliant, is "IDEAL, is a foolish notion. It would be a very biased way approach that would favor cutters and dealers at the expense of integrity and those few consumers who still have some degree of faith in diamond sellers.

IDEAL is an absolute concept of TOP QUALITY in cut and light return and it ought to be seen as encompassing all these aspects of each stone so judged. Anything less is not really an unqualified Ideal cut.

The AGA Cut Class grades provide the shape information that one adds to brilliancy information. This brilliancy information can be from Ideal-Scopes used with round diamond and presently from the BrillianceScope or Isee2 system for rounds and fancy shapes. This combination gives dealers or consumers the tools and information for judging if a diamond is truly IDEAL.
 
Saw this response over on DT. Well put.

Dave always keeps an overall tone of civility, even when provoked.
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Nice summation, Dave.

Almost makes me curious enough to see what DT thread prompted this. Almost...
 
It was a DT thread that prompted me to write this, but I really thought it ought to be more widely read, understood or criticized. Besides, I altered a few words and improved the text before I posted it here. It seemed a good message to stand alone and be read by many shoppers.
 
Well said Dave.
The issue of spread is oft overlooked by “experts” but consumers spending hard earned $’s seem to me in my retailing experience to be very concerned about it.
The same principal applies with HCA.
The lowest HCA scoring stones are by definition those with a bigger spread, because that is one of the 4 factors. A Tolkowsky stone can not therefore score as well as say a stone with a low crown angle and slightly deeper pavilion.
But we know that very flat stones have a greater risk of chipping – so there are minimum girdle thicknesses taken into account. This both raises a warning – and increases the numerical score. The online system calculates the girdle thickness even though you do not enter it
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So well said.
 
Well put, Dave!
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The customer comes to a dealer
with a budget, the trick is to find the stone that will be
"most noticed" for that price... That is firstly outside diameter
and secondly % light return. price is mostly driven by weight, not
OD, while cut has the most to do with light return, color and
clarity will absorb some light..

so a stone could be heavier (more costly) than it needs to be for
a given OD (less than ideal) but has perfect light return. (but
not qualify for "efficient" as it weighs more than it needs to).

It would
be nice to see the industry get over its "weight" fixation, which
your "ideal definition" is trying to address, and come up with a pricing
model more directly related to "most noticed".
Then the prices of "super ideal" stones that are more
expensive then the heavier stones of the same "most noticed" (performance).. It sure would make the buying process easyer
if one could look at a "most noticed" scale..
(note: no allowance for man or nature made)
 
I like that - most noticed
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Of course most common problem = too deep = poor light return = smaller spread = excess ct wt.

Solution = a simple universal and accurate cut grade.
 
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