Ideal Cut: Right proportion...

[lyhome]

Date: 8/10/2008 7:04:44 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 8/10/2008 6:51:48 AM
Author: lyhome
Thanks for the link!

It''s 58 facets, meaning the additional cut is at the culet? Ermm, is there such certificate as Amore certificate? If I read correctly, Amore diamonds are graded by Amore certs and how is this comparable to AGS certs? I am partial to AGS certs as they seem to be stricter in their grading.

I came across this website: http://www.abazias.com/ Any buying experience from this website to share? I think they sell Amore diamonds online?

Amore diamonds are better quality than WF ACA? In terms of cut...

I would imagine the culet is the reason why 58 facets are noted. I don''t know much about the Amore diamonds, or how the grading compares to AGS, but as AGS are so well known and considered to be reliable, I would tend to stick with that. As to whether Amore are better cut than ACA, I don''t know enough about them to judge, but I do know some ACA''s are superb!!

Abazias, you can do a search to read up on posters experiences with them.

Yeah...did some reading but I guess the comments are not 50%-50%..they do not seem to have all information need, which i think it''s important for online purchase....as we aren''t able to see the physical diamond.

I think my diamond fever has passed on to a friend and had manage to "convert" him to get his proposal ring online!

He is going to check out GOG and we are going to compare the stones when we get in here!

I guess WF should be replying soon....will keep you all posted!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/10/2008 7:56:49 AM
Author: lyhome

Date: 8/10/2008 7:04:44 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 8/10/2008 6:51:48 AM
Author: lyhome
Thanks for the link!

It''s 58 facets, meaning the additional cut is at the culet? Ermm, is there such certificate as Amore certificate? If I read correctly, Amore diamonds are graded by Amore certs and how is this comparable to AGS certs? I am partial to AGS certs as they seem to be stricter in their grading.

I came across this website: http://www.abazias.com/ Any buying experience from this website to share? I think they sell Amore diamonds online?

Amore diamonds are better quality than WF ACA? In terms of cut...

I would imagine the culet is the reason why 58 facets are noted. I don''t know much about the Amore diamonds, or how the grading compares to AGS, but as AGS are so well known and considered to be reliable, I would tend to stick with that. As to whether Amore are better cut than ACA, I don''t know enough about them to judge, but I do know some ACA''s are superb!!

Abazias, you can do a search to read up on posters experiences with them.

Yeah...did some reading but I guess the comments are not 50%-50%..they do not seem to have all information need, which i think it''s important for online purchase....as we aren''t able to see the physical diamond.

I think my diamond fever has passed on to a friend and had manage to ''convert'' him to get his proposal ring online!

He is going to check out GOG and we are going to compare the stones when we get in here!

I guess WF should be replying soon....will keep you all posted!

LOL! No worries, if your friend needs any help, bring him over!

I hope you here from WF soon! Keep us posted!!

 

[lyhome]

Haha, he is definately lurking around...

He had written to GOG, asking about Hearts on Fire. GOG replied that they have seen Hearts on Fire diamonds before and without prejudice, but most of them they would not buy for inventory simply because they don’t meet out strict standards for cut quality.

And thru my reading, WF ACA is comparable to Hearts on Fire. Does this mean that GOG inventory is better than ACA in terms of cut quality?

This does bothers me abit after hearing what he said. Should I opt for GOG or WF?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/10/2008 11:12:31 AM
Author: lyhome
Haha, he is definately lurking around...

He had written to GOG, asking about Hearts on Fire. GOG replied that they have seen Hearts on Fire diamonds before and without prejudice, but most of them they would not buy for inventory simply because they don’t meet out strict standards for cut quality.

And thru my reading, WF ACA is comparable to Hearts on Fire. Does this mean that GOG inventory is better than ACA in terms of cut quality?

This does bothers me abit after hearing what he said. Should I opt for GOG or WF?

GOG also sell very finely cut diamonds, it depends on whether you prefer the branded A Cut Above hearts and arrows, or GOG's stones, both type of diamonds should be gorgeous!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/10/2008 11:12:31 AM
Author: lyhome
Haha, he is definately lurking around...

He had written to GOG, asking about Hearts on Fire. GOG replied that they have seen Hearts on Fire diamonds before and without prejudice, but most of them they would not buy for inventory simply because they don’t meet out strict standards for cut quality.

And thru my reading, WF ACA is comparable to Hearts on Fire. Does this mean that GOG inventory is better than ACA in terms of cut quality?

This does bothers me abit after hearing what he said. Should I opt for GOG or WF?

No, both companies carry outstanding stones. Either place would be a fine choice.

HOF vary in cut, some are great, some aren''t so much. These two companies are much stricter about what they carry, so no worries.

 

[lyhome]

Ermm... after reading the thread on True Hearts.... I have more questions on my mind...

As a newbie, I have wanted to get a true H&A is just purely on the fact that they are the best performers. They have the super ideal cut precision and performance. And no other diamonds can be comparable to it. And this is the reason for paying the prenium.

But after reading the thread, it came to me as what I had understand is not entirely correct. A not-so-perfect H&A can be as good as a true H&A, in terms of the performance and cut. And most importantly, I do not need to pay a prenium for it?

If so, can I assume that the Expert Selection inventory can be the same performer as ACA. The main differences are 1)whether the Hearts are according to the strict guidelines and the 2)prenium that we have to pay for the True Hearts.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/10/2008 12:56:26 PM
Author: lyhome
Ermm... after reading the thread on True Hearts.... I have more questions on my mind...

As a newbie, I have wanted to get a true H&A is just purely on the fact that they are the best performers. They have the super ideal cut precision and performance. And no other diamonds can be comparable to it. And this is the reason for paying the prenium.

But after reading the thread, it came to me as what I had understand is not entirely correct. A not-so-perfect H&A can be as good as a true H&A, in terms of the performance and cut. And most importantly, I do not need to pay a prenium for it?

If so, can I assume that the Expert Selection inventory can be the same performer as ACA. The main differences are 1)whether the Hearts are according to the strict guidelines and the 2)prenium that we have to pay for the True Hearts.

You can assume some will perform as well as an ACA. There are many types of cut in the ES, with some falling in line with an ACA cut, and some definitely not.

And no, a stone does not have to be H&A to be a great performer.

 

[lyhome]

Thanks Ellen!

In this case, I think I should open myself to Expert Selection too. But only to those that just miss ACA by a hair...how do i determine this? By looking at the specifications of the table, etc?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/10/2008 1:12:27 PM
Author: lyhome
Thanks Ellen!

In this case, I think I should open myself to Expert Selection too. But only to those that just miss ACA by a hair...how do i determine this? By looking at the specifications of the table, etc?

You''re welcome!

You need to look at the specs, and the IS pics. What might be easiest for you, is to grab the link to an ACA, and then go through the ES and find one comperable. Then when you''ve found one or more that you think might be what you''re looking for, call WF and ask them about it. Tell them you''re wanting close to ACA cut.

Or, some people just post on here what it is they want, with a budget, and we help them find one. It''s whatever you''re comfortable with.

 

[risingsun]

Date: 8/10/2008 11:12:31 AM
Author: lyhome
Haha, he is definately lurking around...

He had written to GOG, asking about Hearts on Fire. GOG replied that they have seen Hearts on Fire diamonds before and without prejudice, but most of them they would not buy for inventory simply because they don’t meet out strict standards for cut quality.

And thru my reading, WF ACA is comparable to Hearts on Fire. Does this mean that GOG inventory is better than ACA in terms of cut quality?

This does bothers me abit after hearing what he said. Should I opt for GOG or WF?

I disagree with the GOG assessement of HOF. I have seen numerous HOF diamonds, examined them under a microscope, run the numbers, done the IS and spoken with an independent appraiser. The stones I have seen [and own] are top performing diamonds. My main concern with HOF is the price. When I did my upgrade, I bought an ACA for the center stone and had it set in a HOF semimount. I can't see a difference between the diamonds--they all have superior brilliance, fire and sparkle. I also have a HOF pendant and earrings. They are beautiful, but costly. Just as I am wary of a B&M jeweler that criticizes all online diamonds, I am concerned when an online jeweler is critical of an entire line of top performing stones sold at other B&M stores.

ETA: Yes, I know that GOG is also a B&M, but it has a strong online presence.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 8/10/2008 11:28:01 PM
Author: risingsun

Date: 8/10/2008 11:12:31 AM
Author: lyhome
Haha, he is definately lurking around...

He had written to GOG, asking about Hearts on Fire. GOG replied that they have seen Hearts on Fire diamonds before and without prejudice, but most of them they would not buy for inventory simply because they don’t meet out strict standards for cut quality.

And thru my reading, WF ACA is comparable to Hearts on Fire. Does this mean that GOG inventory is better than ACA in terms of cut quality?

This does bothers me abit after hearing what he said. Should I opt for GOG or WF?

I disagree with the GOG assessement of HOF. I have seen numerous HOF diamonds, examined them under a microscope, run the numbers, done the IS and spoken with an independent appraiser. The stones I have seen [and own] are top performing diamonds. My main concern with HOF is the price. When I did my upgrade, I bought an ACA for the center stone and had it set in a HOF semimount. I can't see a difference between the diamonds--they all have superior brilliance, fire and sparkle. I also have a HOF pendant and earrings. They are beautiful, but costly. Just as I am wary of a B&M jeweler that criticizes all online diamonds, I am concerned when an online jeweler is critical of an entire line of top performing stones sold at other B&M stores.

ETA: Yes, I know that GOG is also a B&M, but it has a strong online presence.

RS, to be fair the way I understood the quote, they were not being "critical" of HOF. They simply said they choose not to carry them, which they have every right.
As I understand it, GOG has alot of their stones especially cut to their own strict parameters from various cutting houses - this way they have more control over what inventory they receive, and as you mentioned they don't have to pay the premium for the HOF brand.
I am simply saying that I know you have done your research, and just like any consumer vendors are entitled to their opinion and choice as well..

Also, this is a second-hand quote from we don't know who at GOG, best not to make judgements until we know what the true comment was, imho.

 

[lyhome]

Long day at work... Monday Blues...

WF has yet to reply on the SI2...

I guess GOG has any aspects on grading performance but nontheless, I believe both WF and GOG carry excellent diamonds!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/11/2008 9:55:19 AM
Author: lyhome
Long day at work... Monday Blues...

WF has yet to reply on the SI2...

I guess GOG has any aspects on grading performance but nontheless, I believe both WF and GOG carry excellent diamonds!

It is early yet in the States Ly, hang in there!

 

[Allison D.]

Date: 8/11/2008 9:55:19 AM
Author: lyhome
Long day at work... Monday Blues...

WF has yet to reply on the SI2...

lyhome, I''ve put in a call to make sure you get a response quickly.

I know there''s quite a time difference, and that could be part of the trouble.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/11/2008 10:37:55 AM
Author: Allison D.

Date: 8/11/2008 9:55:19 AM
Author: lyhome
Long day at work... Monday Blues...

WF has yet to reply on the SI2...

lyhome, I''ve put in a call to make sure you get a response quickly.

I know there''s quite a time difference, and that could be part of the trouble.

Thanks Alj!

 

[lyhome]

Hi Alison! Thanks for your help...

 

[elle_chris]

I''ve purchased from both GOG and WF. Honestly, you can''t go wrong with an ACA or one of GOG''s stones. They''re ALL GORGEOUS

It may just come down to who has the inventory you''re looking for so don''t hesitate with either company.

One thing though, i wouldn''t rule out GIA stones. If you can find one with the right numbers (crown, pav, depth, table), you may be able to get a vendor to call it in for you. That''s what I did with one of my diamonds and I can''t see the difference in performance between the GIA, and the AGS0 stones.

Good luck.

 

[Allison D.]

Date: 8/11/2008 11:00:18 AM
Author: lyhome
Hi Alison! Thanks for your help...

Lyhome, have you spoken to a rep yet, or was your contact via general email? That would help me to pin it down.

Thanks

 

[Rhino]

Date: 8/10/2008 11:28:01 PM
Author: risingsun

Date: 8/10/2008 11:12:31 AM
Author: lyhome
Haha, he is definately lurking around...

He had written to GOG, asking about Hearts on Fire. GOG replied that they have seen Hearts on Fire diamonds before and without prejudice, but most of them they would not buy for inventory simply because they don’t meet out strict standards for cut quality.

And thru my reading, WF ACA is comparable to Hearts on Fire. Does this mean that GOG inventory is better than ACA in terms of cut quality?

This does bothers me abit after hearing what he said. Should I opt for GOG or WF?

I disagree with the GOG assessement of HOF. I have seen numerous HOF diamonds, examined them under a microscope, run the numbers, done the IS and spoken with an independent appraiser. The stones I have seen [and own] are top performing diamonds. My main concern with HOF is the price. When I did my upgrade, I bought an ACA for the center stone and had it set in a HOF semimount. I can't see a difference between the diamonds--they all have superior brilliance, fire and sparkle. I also have a HOF pendant and earrings. They are beautiful, but costly. Just as I am wary of a B&M jeweler that criticizes all online diamonds, I am concerned when an online jeweler is critical of an entire line of top performing stones sold at other B&M stores.

ETA: Yes, I know that GOG is also a B&M, but it has a strong online presence.

Greetings all,

Just for clarification. My apologies if there was anything communicated that appeared to make a blanket statement regarding HoF's. HOF's are beautiful diamonds and I agree with you rising sun. They are top performers. While I have only seen limited items, I've seen those that both would and would not necessarily make it into our inventory. Even those that didn't still were beautiful diamonds. Understand that we perform a battery of exams and photography exclusive to our firm and if we have a diamond that is questionable or even doesn't meet certain minimal requirements via our exams we tend to err on the side of caution. The reason we do not feature HoF's specifically is for the reason Arjuna pointed out.

Peace,

 

[risingsun]

Thank you for your response, Rhino. It always makes me a bit uneasy when any jeweler appears to be dismissive of a competitor's brand--especially when that brand has proven its merit. I wouldn't expect this of you or your staff and I appreciate you providing some clarity on this matter for me

 

[lyhome]

Date: 8/11/2008 11:39:02 AM
Author: Allison D.

Date: 8/11/2008 11:00:18 AM
Author: lyhome
Hi Alison! Thanks for your help...

Lyhome, have you spoken to a rep yet, or was your contact via general email? That would help me to pin it down.

Thanks

Yesh... just read the email...

It''s not as eye-clean as I would like...

Nonetheless, thanks for your help in this matter... will keep looking till I find the right one...

Aside to Rhino: I am sure that GOG provides fabulous performers. My sincere apologies if my earlier doubts had caused any misunderstanding..

 

[Rhino]

Date: 8/11/2008 12:53:01 PM
Author: risingsun
Thank you for your response, Rhino. It always makes me a bit uneasy when any jeweler appears to be dismissive of a competitor''s brand--especially when that brand has proven its merit. I wouldn''t expect this of you or your staff and I appreciate you providing some clarity on this matter for me

No prob Marian. We never seek to gain sales or clients by knocking competitors.

HOF does happen to have an outstanding outfit, outstanding product and their marketing is nothing short of genius really. Any person who owns one really should wear it proudly. Back around 5-6 years ago we were strongly considering it because when they introduced the Dream there was nothing like it on the market and till this day still stands as one of the most beautiful square cuts on the market in my professional opinion.

Kind regards,

 

[Rhino]

Date: 8/11/2008 12:59:48 PM
Author: lyhome

Date: 8/11/2008 11:39:02 AM
Author: Allison D.

Date: 8/11/2008 11:00:18 AM
Author: lyhome
Hi Alison! Thanks for your help...

Lyhome, have you spoken to a rep yet, or was your contact via general email? That would help me to pin it down.

Thanks

Yesh... just read the email...

It''s not as eye-clean as I would like...

Nonetheless, thanks for your help in this matter... will keep looking till I find the right one...

Aside to Rhino: I am sure that GOG provides fabulous performers. My sincere apologies if my earlier doubts had caused any misunderstanding..

None whatsoever. I understand its easy to get confused by various terminologies. The regular consumers who participate on this forum know their way around pretty well. All the best on your hunt.

Kind regards,

 

[purrfectpear]

I think the issue has been clarified that GOG was not dismissing any particular brand.

I do want to make sure that it is clear now that several different experts and competitors have stated that Hearts and Arrows is NOT the only premier performing diamond. There was consensus that there are diamonds that are not "traditional" Japanese Hearts and Arrow patterning that have equal to, or possibly even surpassing performance.