I want purchase a fancy diamond

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 7/10/2007 3:23:36 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

ha! this might be the first time I''ve ever disagreed with you DG - and I don''t do so as an expert obviously, but in my thinking cut and faceting is still paramount... the color to me is like skin color - they''re all beautiful but irrelevant to their beauty. If that makes sense

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 7:43:25 PM
Author: JohnQuixote

Date: 7/10/2007 6:44:44 PM
Author: DiaGem

Can you get a two carat cape stone for 10K?

Top cape VS rounds at or near that right now. Cape (M/VS) for less. Darker colors are les expensive, but a GIA 2ct Fancy Yellow round can be upwards of $20K.

You are right JohnQ, but unfortunately a lot of the fancy-yellows I see are (in my own opinion) just dark capes..., I call them modified dark capes...

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 8:04:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 7/10/2007 10:03:21 AM
Author: DiaGem
True..., but when you find a fancy colored Diamond (with maximum depth of color) cut to acceptable (colorless) cuts..., you are in a different league all together.
And these babys command hefty premiums..., sometimes doubling and tripling in value!!!

IF I were to go to a fancy color (though unless it was somewhat orangeish I''d probably go no lower than r/s/t) I would definitely want it cut for dispersion still and not color retention. To *me* a diamond''s fire and scint are really amazing and the diamond should always be cut for that... if I just wanted a saturated yellow stone I would get a yellow sapphire.

Cehra, very good and expensive taste!...
R-S-T is not considered Fancy color...., so you better off with a correctly faceted Diamond for dispersion....

But you cannot compare between a saturated yellow Diamond and a saturated yellow Sapphire...

I (personally) would never purchase a Fancy colored Diamond which is not cut to standard cutting techniques...
I judge Fancy colored Diamonds based on their "true" body/face-up color..., not their face-up appearance based on cut (as I think the GIA does...)

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 8:07:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 7/10/2007 3:23:36 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

ha! this might be the first time I''ve ever disagreed with you DG - and I don''t do so as an expert obviously, but in my thinking cut and faceting is still paramount... the color to me is like skin color - they''re all beautiful but irrelevant to their beauty. If that makes sense

Cehra...

We are not in any disagreement..., on the contrary...
I think cut is still paramount...., but unfortunately todays majority of Fancy colored Diamonds are cut to bring out a face-up color appearance only!!!
And the cutting techniques used are a whole big mish-mash!!!
Thats why I think that a lot of the Fancy Yellows out there are "modified dark capes"... and not true Fancy colored Diamonds!!!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 8:07:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 7/10/2007 3:23:36 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

ha! this might be the first time I've ever disagreed with you DG - and I don't do so as an expert obviously, but in my thinking cut and faceting is still paramount... the color to me is like skin color - they're all beautiful but irrelevant to their beauty. If that makes sense

Thanks Cehra!

 

[quali_boy]

Date: 7/11/2007 2:49:22 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 8:07:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 7/10/2007 3:23:36 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

ha! this might be the first time I''ve ever disagreed with you DG - and I don''t do so as an expert obviously, but in my thinking cut and faceting is still paramount... the color to me is like skin color - they''re all beautiful but irrelevant to their beauty. If that makes sense

Cehra...

We are not in any disagreement..., on the contrary...
I think cut is still paramount...., but unfortunately todays majority of Fancy colored Diamonds are cut to bring out a face-up color appearance only!!!
And the cutting techniques used are a whole big mish-mash!!!
Thats why I think that a lot of the Fancy Yellows out there are ''modified dark capes''... and not true Fancy colored Diamonds!!!

That is VERY true, Cehra - that accounts for the lack of Capes S-V on the market, one just cannot find them anywhere. Top jewellers nowadays are marketing their W-Z as fancies, where in actual fact they don''t come near light fancy! They lookgood, esp. when teamed with ice white stones for contrast. Perhaps someone can advise me how to highlight quoted passages

- I just can''t get it right? Thanks

 

[Lorelei]

To highlight, use the mouse to highlight the text you want, click on the tool in the tool bar which has a yellow colour with a pen, then click on your highlighted text and it will turn yellow, hit submit. If you want to get really fancy you can change colour by clicking in the downwards icon on the highlight tool to the right ( hold the mouse over it and it will say set highlight), it will bring up a colour palette in a box ( left click with all this), click on the colour you want, then you will see the yellow of the tool change to pink, green, whatever you choose, then follow the same procedure to highlight.

 

[quali_boy]

Great, thanks Lorelei, but I need to use this option on quoted msg''s. When I attempt to highlight a quoted msg, I just get those 4 little arrows radiating in all 4 directions - it doesn''t allow me to select.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/11/2007 5:32:40 AM
Author: quali_boy
Great, thanks Lorelei, but I need to use this option on quoted msg's. When I attempt to highlight a quoted msg, I just get those 4 little arrows radiating in all 4 directions - it doesn't allow me to select.

Keep clicking the mouse slowly and they will go, it normally takes me 2 or 3 times to get rid of them, then proceed as above! First click you get the box arrows, 2nd click a box will appear around the quoted text, then the third you should just get the plain cursor ready to higlight.

 

[yellowsparkles]

Date: 7/11/2007 2:42:44 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 8:04:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 7/10/2007 10:03:21 AM
Author: DiaGem
True..., but when you find a fancy colored Diamond (with maximum depth of color) cut to acceptable (colorless) cuts..., you are in a different league all together.
And these babys command hefty premiums..., sometimes doubling and tripling in value!!!

IF I were to go to a fancy color (though unless it was somewhat orangeish I''d probably go no lower than r/s/t) I would definitely want it cut for dispersion still and not color retention. To *me* a diamond''s fire and scint are really amazing and the diamond should always be cut for that... if I just wanted a saturated yellow stone I would get a yellow sapphire.

Cehra, very good and expensive taste!...
R-S-T is not considered Fancy color...., so you better off with a correctly faceted Diamond for dispersion....

But you cannot compare between a saturated yellow Diamond and a saturated yellow Sapphire...

I (personally) would never purchase a Fancy colored Diamond which is not cut to standard cutting techniques...
I judge Fancy colored Diamonds based on their ''true'' body/face-up color..., not their face-up appearance based on cut (as I think the GIA does...)

Interesting. When labs look at a fancy colored diamonds, do they look at it face up to determine color? Is this true for all labs - GIA, EGL and HRD? How do these labs compare with accurately grading color in your opinion, D-Gem?

I know when I was looking at fancy yellows , all i ever found were Radiant cut stones and most were light fancy or W- Z. Now I know why.

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/11/2007 4:30:06 PM
Author: yellowsparkles

Date: 7/11/2007 2:42:44 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 8:04:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 7/10/2007 10:03:21 AM
Author: DiaGem
True..., but when you find a fancy colored Diamond (with maximum depth of color) cut to acceptable (colorless) cuts..., you are in a different league all together.
And these babys command hefty premiums..., sometimes doubling and tripling in value!!!

IF I were to go to a fancy color (though unless it was somewhat orangeish I''d probably go no lower than r/s/t) I would definitely want it cut for dispersion still and not color retention. To *me* a diamond''s fire and scint are really amazing and the diamond should always be cut for that... if I just wanted a saturated yellow stone I would get a yellow sapphire.

Cehra, very good and expensive taste!...
R-S-T is not considered Fancy color...., so you better off with a correctly faceted Diamond for dispersion....

But you cannot compare between a saturated yellow Diamond and a saturated yellow Sapphire...

I (personally) would never purchase a Fancy colored Diamond which is not cut to standard cutting techniques...
I judge Fancy colored Diamonds based on their ''true'' body/face-up color..., not their face-up appearance based on cut (as I think the GIA does...)

Interesting. When labs look at a fancy colored diamonds, do they look at it face up to determine color? Is this true for all labs - GIA, EGL and HRD? How do these labs compare with accurately grading color in your opinion, D-Gem?

I have no experience with HRD fancy colored Diamonds..., but I know GIA grades them based on their face up appearance... (unless that system changed...)
They relay on colored samples... I assume...

I know when I was looking at fancy yellows , all i ever found were Radiant cut stones and most were light fancy or W- Z. Now I know why.

A lot of dealers in this niche would probably not be to happy with this thread..., but this (in my opinion) is the reality!!!