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Well I am a first time e-ring buyer and I actually ended up buying one last night. The ring looks absolutely great but here are my concerns.
The specs are as follows:

Carat: 2.01
Color: J
Cut: Round

Depth:65% <--- this is my main concern
Table 58%
Crown: 15%
Pavilion: 45.5%
Cutlet: 0

Does anyone see a major problem? Is the Depth too much and what would a good price be for such a rock.

Thanks in advance. I a having second day jitters.
 
I personally wouldn't buy a stone this deep, but I can't speak for you. I don't know what your priorities are, so it's hard to tell you if you did well.
 
Okay do not take this the wrong way but....




Why did you buy a stone last nite then this morning have a rational freak-out and realize you may have made a mistake?




Why not think about the fact that you should do some research BEFORE you plunk what was probably alot of $$ for a crappy stone?




The stone you have there does not look good from the numbers. The depth is WAY out of the range it should be. It scored a 5 on the HCA out of 10 which is pretty darn horrible. I think the worst stone I have seen on the HCA has ever been a 7. I don't even want to know what a 10 looks like.




Excellently cut or even well-cut stones should score under 2 or 3 on the HCA. So a 5 in my opinion is completely unacceptable, not to mention that depth! A well-cut round brilliant shouldn't have a depth over 62%...there are a few exceptions but nothing near 65%.




I would wager that this 2c stone looks more like a 1.75c or 1.80c due to the loss of the carat weight in the depth.




Not sure what you paid, but I have no idea what a stone like this would be worth. Since it's B&M it could have been inflated...but maybe around $8-10k?
 
Yes, this is a pretty thick stone... You haven't listed the measurements, but it should look like a properly cut 1.80ct diamond. Also, the pavilion is too deep. You may want to keep it within 41.1' or about 43.5% for a great light performance. Acutally 40.5-40.9' would be the best. If you are looking for a good cut, not exceptionally well made nor exceptionally bad, I would stay below 44.5%.
As for the depth, I wouldn't go above 62%. 59.5-61.5% would be the best.
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It's deep. It will "appear" smaller than it's carat weight. I wouldn't totally discount this stone though. Can you tell us more including the price, measurement, etc.? I'm speakin off the cuff - but could a J stone that's deep - be firey & warm - a real nice combination. Don't know.

HCA of 5 isn't good; but, Garry loves/favors speadier stones.

That said, can you return the stone?
 
Yes what's the return policy.




F&I...the table is 58%...don't think that makes for a fiery stone...maybe a smaller table with the larger depth, but IMO this is a steep/deep combo. Most likely lots of leakage too. Unless he picked it up for something like $5k, it's not worth keeping IMO.
 
here are the measurements 7.94 - 7.83 x5.13mm
Cost 9K <--did I overpay??

and sorry if I gave the wrong impression earlier, but it was not an impulse buy, I have been looking for about a month. That being said, after looking at alot of stones, you can get overwhelmed. I can call the store and see if I can exchange for something else if needed.
Thanks again.
 
I kinda sorta did the same thing myself. Only I didn't buy. I found a diamond that I liked, but the price seemed high. I wanted to do some Net search before I plunked down the $$$ and found Price Scope. TG for Leonid and this website!

The stone is deep cut. You probably got hit with the 2 carat premium for a diamond that probably looks like a 1.7 to 1.8 carat well made diamond. Doesn't mean it isn't sparkly or shouldn't appeal to you.
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Is this from a Brick & Mortor store? Also it this an EGL, Israel cert?
 
This is a B&M Store yes, and it is EGL USA LA Cert.
 
Goober,

If you want to see how bad/good you did. Look for similar or better diamonds using the search engine on this site. From what I've seen you payed too much.
 
Did they represent this stone as Ideal?
 
To be honest I don't recall if they said "IDEAL" or not. I did call the store and said I am not satisfied with the stone and would like to exchange it and they said "no problem, bring it back and we can look at other stones." We will see how that goes.

Now What should I look for as the best I can get for around 9K - Round cut. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
I would spend some time educating yourself to acceptable parameters of table & depth % & proper MM for the size of the stone. Work yourself around this site. Go to pricescope at the top & put in some specs like size color & clarity. Educate yourself before you buy. Cut really is the least paid attention to "C", but it sure is the most important to ultimate beauty of the stone.

Good luck. You can always run the specs by us here *before* you buy. Have you thought about buying over the internet through a pricescope vendor? Prices are better than B&M stores & they usually stock better cuts. If anyone says otherwise, I can assure you they are not being up front with you. There is the internet (non recommended sites & ebay) & then there is the reputable internet vendors.
 
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Now What should I look for as the best I can get for around 9K - Round cut. Any help is greatly appreciated.----------------
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As Devo said, the pricescope search engine should give you an idea. Personally, I would try to get a stone with a good to very good make, I color, eye clean SI1.
 
There are a number of 2ct+ AGA Class 1A Cuts available on pricescope for about $9000.

To find them, go to the main page, go to prices, scroll down to price stats, click generate, scroll down to the 2.00 - 2.99 ct range, and then pick the color and clarity you want. The prices listed are price per carat, so just pick a box with a price per carat at or about $4,500. Good luck.
 
FYI- I recently bought a 2.034ct H&A AGS-000 J-SI2 (eyeclean) for ~$9500. In general AGS has tighter grading than EGL. It scores an HCA of 1.6. Diameter is 8.25mm, quite a bit larger than your stone. So if you are willing to go with J color, it should be very possible to get a well-cut 2ct for around $9000. Going up to I color adds a premium of 15-20%.




Keep in mind that not only will the diameter be larger on a well-cut stone, it will also be much brighter because more of the light will be returning out the top rather than escaping out the pavilion. One thing to be careful of when looking at loose stones with deep cuts is they may appear shiny and bright when they are loose due to light entering from the back. This is actually due to light leakage -- just as light entering the crown can leak out the pavilion, light entering the pavilion can come out the crown. Once you mount the stone it will lose a lot of brillance and look dead. Also, don't evaluate the brillance with a loupe, because your head will block most of the light and stones with low light leakage will actually appear dark. Look at it away from your face, at various angles and in different lighting conditions. If you do end up with a deep cut stone, mount it in a high uncovered setting (like Tiffany 4-prong) so that lots of light can enter the pavilion.
 
Great, I appreciate the insight. I have no problem with dropping the carat weight for a better stone. Looks like I will be going back on Tuesday to see other stones. I will get the info and then post back for opinions and expertise.
 
If you end up with a J color, may I suggest you choose only AGS or GIA certs. EGL is apparently overly generous on the color sometimes and this could mean that you end up with a K color instead.
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Thanks for the heads up. I will look at 'I' and up if it is EGL and 'J' and up for the GIA and AGS
 
amazing...

I just found this site about 1 1/2 weeks ago and have been amazed ever since. Just read down thru this post, and i can't believe how unbelievably helpful everyone is around here.

Thank god i found this place, and you guys...I'm pretty sure that if I didn't, i would have bought my stone from Macy's by now. (j/k...i knew better than that when i started)

J.
 
phoenixgirl
That looks like a grear rock. I will print it out and take it to the place I bought mine. Thanks
 
Well I am going to the jewelry store tommorrow afternoon to see what they have to see if I can replace my stone. I will pick out 3-4 stones and get all the info that they have on them and then post it here for your critique and advise.

I want to say again I appreciate all the help and advise given on this board. Once this is all done, I can truly feel I got a beutiful stone for a good price.

and someday I can probably look back and think what was I thinking with that 65% depth cut...ahhh ignorance is bliss....
 
OK here is the update. Here is what I think I am going with

GIA 1.72 G VS2

Depth 60%
Table 62%

Florecense - Strong blue
measurement 7.71-7.75

I dont have the Pavilion and Crown angles.

what do you think? I am going back in 25 minutes to make a final decision. When I went earlier and put my stone next to this one it was night and day. Mine almost looked like glass...what a difference in fire(sparkle)

how would I get the crown and pavilion angles???

thanks in advance for all your input. It is much appreciated.
 
No No and NO.




Didn't you tell them you wanted a very good cut? 62% table with 60% depth is nowhere near an ideal cut. It doesn't mean the stone can't be beautiful, but chances are it's nowhere near what a well-cut stone should look like. Especially since the depth should probably be slightly more shallow to really be a great BIC. You REALLY need those crown and pavilion angles.




Your old stone may have looked like doodoo next to this new stone, but imagine what an ideal cut stone would look like next to this stone! This stone probably has alot of white sparkle, but not alot of fire. With those #'s...my stone is similar but my depth is much more shallow, making my stone really pop.




Why are they rushing you into making a decision in 25 minutes? You are spending alot of money here, what is the deal? Don't rush into this decision. Make them wait for YOU. Require the crown and pavilion angles from them, tell them to get a Sarin.




I so don't understand why people deal with people like this who don't give them the right information they need to make a decision. You are not talking about a few hundred dollars. We are talking thousands of dollars here..hard earned money. Make a smart choice.
 
forgot to mention polish and sym are both VG VG. I think it is ALOT better than the old one. Size wise, it almost looks like the same size.
Would I be able to get a Sarin on my own or no?
 
Goober, you are selecting a stone with *your* eyes as inspection. Many, if not most, of B&M stores will not provide a sarin. Quite frankly, a sarin tells only a part of the story. Your eyes are the final chapter. Many people are only comfortable dealing with a established B&M business. I can respect that. This diamond has every chance of being a good performer. I'm sure you realize this is not the optimum cut. But, your eyes will tell you otherwise.

That said, do not - and I repeat - do not let them pressure you into something.
 
Thanks for the responses. I know its not the best possible stone I can get but she does shine and for under 10K I think it is an OK deal. Everyone has to eat.

Like I said, it is much better than the other stone..MUCH BETTER.. and I know its not the absolute best, but I am also sure I would pay ALOT more for the absolute best. This fits my range and looks good. THere is absolutely no pressure from the Jeweler but does not have a Sarin and at this point I am not sure I care all that much...sorry if that sound sinical but I am not striving for the absolute best stone out there. I do think with all your help I did find a better stone.

Thanks again
 
thanks for the advice. You guys/gals have been incredibly helpful in this process.
 
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