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NeedaRockSoon

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Opinions Please!

I went to the local B&M today to look at rounds and found this one:

Round Brilliant
6.41x6.38x3.96mm
1.00 carat
Color I
Clarity SI1
Polish Very Good
symmetry Very Good
fluorescence Faint
Hearts & Arrows
Ideal Cut

57% table
61.9% depth

Unfortunately, I don't have anymore stats than that. The stone is really clean. I couldn't find the inclusions at all through the loupe (owner was saying it should probably have been a VS2, could just be trying to make me buy). Only problems I could see is that its an EGL USA certification. To my eyes, it's white and eye clean (also mind clean cuz I couldn't find the inclusions but I'm no expert.) It's Ideal Cut and H&As. Does the faint fluorescence raise any red flags?

Price: $6300

What do you all think? I'm itching to pull the trigger.

Edit: I could be mistaken on the polish/symmetry but it was either EX or VG for both categories.. Looked at too many RBs today..
 
Do you have the crown and pavilion angles?

I found an excellent cut GIA certified 1 ct. J SI2 for $6400 at Good Old Gold for comparison. Your stone is likely lower than I SI1 since it is EGL. Whether the price is good depends on how far off the cert is. I would rather play it safe with a diamond with an accurate cert, personally. But if you get this diamond, you could send it to an independent appraiser as long as you have a return policy.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8341/
 
Unfortunately no, I didn't jot those down when I was there. I tried called them but something's up with the phone, kept getting disconnect when I'm trying to ask for the angles.

I'll call em back in a bit and try to get those.

Just got the report:

EGL USA

903968619D

Crown is 34.7 and Pavillion is 40.8
 
Those are good angles. Did you by any chance have the opportunity to view the stone with magnification? Could you see the arrows to see if it looked symmetrical? What about the inclusions with and without magnification?

The stone may be fine. The difficulty is determining value since we can't know what the true color and clarity are. You could send it to an independent appraiser, but by the time you do that, you may as well just buy a GIA or AGS certified stone.
 
I would pass mainly because the clarity and color grades are not accurate with EGL. Also, how is this jeweler determining ideal cut and H&A?
 
I saw the diamond with a loupe, but didn't see it under higher magnification. Couldn't see any inclusions with or without the loupe at all.

He had that one thingy... that lets me see the hearts and arrows myself. They looked great as far as I could tell.

I am a bit weary about the EGL USA cert as well, but it looked really, really good to me. He showed me a J color and I could see the yellow tint. This diamond is white to me.
 
Sorry you are right. It ends in 610D
 
It should be a nice stone since you looked into it in person. The price maybe a little high. I found a nice GIA stone with GSI1, priced 6600. There probably have a room to negotiate.
 
NeedaRockSoon|1321759515|3065440 said:
Sorry you are right. It ends in 610D
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I tried 903968610D and it came up as an error. Be sure you get the correct number before you go through with buying.
 
NeedaRockSoon|1321771455|3065503 said:
http://www.eglusa.com/oresults/SearchPage.php?st_num=903968610D

I don't mind the EGL USA grading (he told me he only trusts LA, so I imagine the diamond was graded by the LA lab).

I'm just worried about the price.

Thanks for your opinions so far!
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EGL is _known_ to grade more loosely than GIA. That's why PSers recommend an independent appraiser or GIA/AGS. By independent, we mean no one affiliated with the store. Good appraisers can be pricey, and grading diamonds is pretty standard, so I would go with GIA/AGS.
 
The trouble with EGL is that it only seems to have good value for the consumer, when in fact it does not.

If you were to submit the same stone to GIA and EGL, then compare the market value of the stone with the GIA grade to the market value of the stone with the EGL grade, the EGL will trade for more. So the diamond dealer makes more selling the diamond with an EGL cert than with a GIA cert.

The consumer, on the other hand, looks at the EGL "I Si1" and compares it to a GIA I Si1 and think they are getting a deal.

This happens because vendors target the diamond to the lab that will get it the most money. There is a HUGE price drop when clarity goes from SI1 to SI2. There is a large price drop per carat from I to J, and another from J to K. Similarly, there is a drop from ideal to VG cut grades and especially from Good to Fair.

So a vendor makes much more for an I Si1 Ideal EGL than they will for a K Si2 Good from GIA.

There was an example posted on PS a while back demonstrating this with a few diamonds submitted to both labs. I also stumbled on a similar example on Ebay a while ago.

So my suggestion: Do not buy an EGL diamond. There is nothing wrong with the diamond per se, but you are paying too much for it.
 
I would pass as it really does not seem to be a grat deal and you cannot be sure as to the actual color and clarity grades with an EGL certificate.
 
Thanks you guys. This is what I needed to hear. I appreciate the comments.

The diamond looked great to me, I just needed to know if I was overpaying.

diamondseeker2006|1321831515|3065755 said:
This stone which was posted by someone earlier is a far better buy. We know it is ideal cut because it is from a reputable lab, and it is almost 7mm instead of the 6.4mm of the stone you are looking at. There would be a visual difference in the two sizes for sure.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.278-j-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104055121001#!prettyPhoto
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I don't understand this diamond because it's a J color but with a strong blue. Will this make it look white? That's all I'm concerned about.. I want it to be colorless (white) to the layman.
 
In my opinion, J color graded by AGS will look white to the lay person. Only someone really knowledgable about diamonds knows anything about color ;)) And a J by AGS is likely less tinted than an I by EGL. Not to mention the value issue I spoke of earlier. The flour will make it look less tinted in some lighting, but not in others.
 
I agree with Dreamer that a J color AGS or GIA is not going to be more tinted than an EGL I color. G-J is in the near colorless range, and J color in ideal cut is going to have a very slight tint from the side but will face up relatively white. The blue fluor. will possibly help the J color stone. I would absolutely buy this stone over the I color EGL because I know for a fact it is probably better cut since Brian Gavin specializes in hearts and arrows superideal cut stones and because it is graded by a reliable lab. And...I think blue fluor. is really cool!!! I'd buy one in a second if they had one with the specs I want!
 
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