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glittercat

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My husband bought me a diamond ring a while ago. He paied a little more than $11000.00 for the ring. But it looked awful(so yellow and bad cutting and everything), I don''t even have a knowledge about diamond, but still I could tell it wasn''t worth. So we took the ring back to the store but they didn''t let us return it. They gave me other stone and told us it was much better stone. The owner said he wouldn''t sell the stone for the price but he gave it to us just to make us happy. But it''s really hard to believe them for us now. I have been reserching diamonds and I think it''s not that hard to get better one for the price we paied. So I just can''t be satisfied with the stone I have now.

What I have is...

GIA
Round Brilliant
Measurements...7.38-7.43x4.47mm
Carat...1.50
Color...D
Clarity...I1
Cut...Excellent
Polish...Very Good
Symmetry...Very Good
Fluorescence...None
Mounting is 14K white gold without any side stone

Is this stone worth what we paied for? He said it''s worth at least $10000.00 wherever we take it too, is it true?
We''re not rich people, we can''t usually pay $11000.00 for stuff we don''t really need to live. But my husband worked so hard to buy me a nice diamond. So I don''t think I can enjoy wearing it if I think we might have been ripped off pretty bad. I''m not looking for a great deal. It would''ve been nice but I am not expecting to get any good deals from this dealer. What I want is decent deal.

At least the owner is still looking for better one for me and he calls and shows me stones everytime he gets something he thinks I might like, so that''s good I guess.

So I''d like you to tell me what you think, like the stone I have is worth for what we paied, if not what kind of stone I can ask for the price.

Thanks you.
P.S. I''m not native English speaker so I might made mistakes...
 
I''m no expert but I just plugged your diamond stats into the PS diamond search engine (on the homepage) and D, I1 stones in that carat weight are going for well below $11k. I''m sure some experts will chime in here and be more helpful but it does seem to me that you''ve paid a bit too much for this stone. Good luck to you.
 
Well, you probably won't get a good deal, and you probably won't get a decent deal, but maybe you can get a BETTER deal.

These are the things you should ask for.

I would try to get a 1.5ct "GIA or AGS":


1)

Excellent cut
G color
"Eye clean" SI1 clarity diamond.


2)

Excellent cut
H color
"Eye clean" SI1 clarity diamond


3)

Excellent cut
F color
"Eye clean" SI2 clarity diamond

4)

Excellent cut
I color
VS2 clarity
 

monarch64...Thank. I already checked my diamond with many diamond price check things on line. I printed them and showed them to the owner. But he said online stores don''t have to pay for keeping "REAL" stores. That''s why they can sell diamonds cheaper, that''s what he said. Plus, he said he add 10% of the price he paied for all diamonds he sells so doesn''t matter what I see online or what I heard, it doesn''t change what he paied. But I wonder why he pays more than what it worth in a first place? If I were him, I look for better deal like other stores... Anyway, I''ll keep trying on getting what I can enjoy. Right now, I have no idea how to deal with him though...



WorkingHardforSmallRewards...Thank you for your advice. But what I have is already GIA. I guess you mean I should give up the best color and ask him to better clarity. That''s kinda what I''ve been asking him but he keeps telling me nothing beats D color and if he was me, he''d keep the diamond. He said it is great deal and he only make a couple of $100.00 for giving me the stone for the price. He also said it must be better clarity even though GIA paper says it is I1 and it''s gotta be a mistake. Is it possible? I am asking him to look for a diamond which is H or I color, good cut and close to 2carat. I don''t care about clarity that much, as long as it''s not that bad. As far as I searched online, it''s not hard to find a diamond like that for that price, but then again, he said his store is not online store. The other day he showed me 2 diamonds, both were 1.7carat. I don''t remember the clarity but it didn''t look that much bigger than what I have now and they just look more yellow. So I didn''t trade. I just wish he let us return the diamond and buy one somewhere elese... I feel so bad for my husband too because he bought the dimond to make me happy but he got ripped off big time... I wish I was there when he bought it, because I knew more about diamond than he did. But he wanted to surprise me. I hope I''ll be able to get better deal than this.

 
Price-wise (and often quality-wise), buying online is the way to go. It is true that most retail stores cannot compete with the prices of online vendors. However, they do provide in-person service and assistance so for some people the extra money is worth it.

Color and clarity are the least of your problems. You need to find out the cut of the diamonds you are considering. Cut is the most important thing to consider. When a diamond has an excellent cut it will look whiter and hide its inclusions better. And it will have all the sparkle and brilliance that a diamond shoud have. This means the depth, table, crown, pavillion, and girdle information. No matter what color/clarity you get, make sure the cut is excellent/ideal.

Your GIA cert should have the cut info on it. Can you give it to us?
 
I plugged in your stats in the pricesearch and for D, I1 1.5-1.53 cut diamonds I found prices ranging from $3758-6610. These are prices as I as a consumer can get. If he is only adding 10% to his cost he is either ahem not telling the truth or an extremely poor businessman.
If it was not too late I would try to get a refund. Otherwise do as the above poster suggested and have him keep looking for AGS ideal cut or GIA excellent cut and go up in clarity, down in color.
 
Hi glitter,

I''m so sorry you''re having to go through this when it should be such a happy, exciting occassion.
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First, does the store have any kind of return policy listed anywhere in the store, or perhaps on a website? (long story short, I wanted to return a ring I purchased and the store didn''t want to take it back, until I reminded them of their 1 month return for full refund policy on their website. They finally relented, and yanked it off their site, but I did get my money back)

And even if they don''t have one, I would then tell them any decent jeweler SHOULD have one, and if they pride themselves at all, they should take the ring back. You never know, they might do it, and it''s certainly worth a try.

If all else fails, tell them you only want AGS0 stones in G-I, VS2-SI1 clarity. AGS grades on light performance, so your chances of getting a pretty stone are pretty much guaranteed (it''s harder with GIA, for a few reasons, but not because they''re not good). As for size, as you noticed yourself, the 1.7 wasn''t much bigger than the 1.5. Once you get past a carat, it takes a lot to see a big visual difference. So don''t get hung up on the 2 ct. mark. Go for a smaller, better cut and clarity stone, as it''s not going to look much different size wise.
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As for pricing, yes, they can do whatever they want.

Please let us know what you hear, or what happens. I just hate hearing stories like this, it makes me so angry when jewelers try to lock you in to their store. It''s just not right.
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jazmine...Thank you so much for you advice. Here''s the cut info.
Depth...60.4%
Star Length...50%
Table...58%
Crown...14.5%
Pavillion...42.5%
Lower Girdle/Half Length...75%
Girdle..Thin
Culet Size...None
Crown Angle...34.0‹
Pvillion Angle...40.6‹
It''s excellent cut it says and you said cut is the most important. But it doesn''t make this diamond worth close to what we paid, does it? As part gypsy says, the MAX prices I found was $6K - $7.5K. I''ll definitely tell him I only want excellent or ideal cut though.

part gypsy...Thank you so much. We tried to return it as soon as my husband gavi it to me and it was only a few days after he bought it. But he didn''t let us because the store policy(no return). So we''re asking him to look another one. I also don''t think he is telling me the truth, but he knows what to say. I bet he''s been dealing situations like this many times. As long as he says he''ll try to look for a diamond I like and keep showing me other diamonds, there''s nothing I can say because he is doing what he promised, you know. So... I don''t know what to do to get a diamond which is close to the price we paid...

 
Ellen...Thank you so much, you made me feel better. Thnks for listening to my story.(Thank you for all the others here who are giving me good advices to some stranger like me)
About return policy, I''m sure they don''t have it. On the receipt, it says "All sales final, No return" and my husbandpit his signature on it. But of course we tried to return it. The first stone was much worse than what I have now. It didn''t have any certificate except the store one. It said J color andVS1. But I knew it wasn''t J as soon as I saw it. We took the stone to the other jewely store and the jeweler said it couldn''t be J and it wasn''t even VS1. We told them that and they gave us this D color stone.(The sales lady was awful, I don''t even want to remember...) I''m happy for you that you could return the ring. I wish I could too. But just like you said, it''s worth to try so I will ask him to take it back again. And if he still won''t, I will ask what you recommend. My husband knew O always wanted 2 carat one so I''ve been thinking we have to have 2 carat because that''s what we pay for, but now I think I''d better not stick to the size like you said.
The last time I went to see him that was last Saturday, he told me to consider clarity enhanced diamond so I can get bigger than 2 carat. He said it''s hard to know it is enhanced so I''ll probably make money to sell it. I didn''t know anything about enhanced stone so I searched about it. And I learned pretty much he told me about it wasn''t so true. If I decide to go with enhanced, it will just help him to make more money and we''ll lose more so I decided to stay away from enhanced stone. He seems so sincere and is smart I think. It''s very hard to deal with him for us. He knows what to say for all kinds of situations. He says he tries to make me happy, he doesn''t want to hurt others to make money, and if he does, he won''t be able to sleep at night. He says things like that everytime I go to see him but since he actually recommended me to get enhanced diamond, I don''t really think believe any of those anymore...
I have been having this diamond more than 6 months but I have never worn it. I have tried it on, but that''s about it. Because I can''t really enjoy while I''m not sure if this is what we should keep...

Thank you again, Ellen.

 
I''m sorry to hear about your problems. I just wanted to tell you that you''re right about avoiding clarity enhanced diamonds. Do NOT let him talk you into one! That will be worth even less than the diamond you have now.

This jeweler is clearly good at scamming people out of money. Don''t forget that the next time you go in to deal with him and don''t settle for clarity enhanced diamonds or anything else you''re not happy with. I would continue to be pleasant to him, though, because it sounds like you might be able to get a better diamond than the one you have now from him.

His return policy is clear enough so I would just try to work with him to get something you''re happy with.
 
You're welcome glitter.


The fact that you've had it so long does make it more difficult (plus the policy). But, it doesn't hurt to try...

And yes, stick to AGS0 and you should be alright.
 
glitter,

I''m so sorry you''re feeling ripped off and unhappy when this should be a happy occasion.

I guess if you can''t return it then you''re probably not going to get a higher valued stone out of him than what you have now.

The stone you have now sounds like it is an ''Excellent'' GIA graded cut, and the angles sound good on it. The color is the highest you can get, so the only thing wrong with it (apart from not being as big as it should for the money!) is the I1 clarity.

So I would just drop to F color, which will still be colorless and very white and up the clarity to SI1. That should hopefully get you a stone at least the same size as what you have now.

Good luck, let us know how it all works out.

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I am really sad that this has happened to you as well. It makes me pretty mad.

but, I really doubt that you will get a deal as good as F SI1

I think what you need to tell this guy is simply, "I want a diamond where the inclusion can be hiden by a prong, or that is eyeclean. G color or better, and AGS0 cut" If it is GIA excellent you should probably get the same numbers as before and put them up here.


But if that doesn't work, like the others have said, you have an excellent cut with the whitest color possible and it is very big by most people's standards. So really, I don't think you have to worry too much, it wasn't the best deal you can get but most people will look at it and say "oh, that is so white and sparkly, and BIG." Just don't put it up next to their face and let them look for the inclusion and you will probably be all right.
 
I''d do my best to try to get *all* of my money back from this guy.

Go to an independent appraiser and have your current ring appraised. You can find and appraiser by going to the resources tab, then appraisers, etc.

If you saved your paperwork, compared the paperwork from your previous stone and ring to the independent appraisal. If they don''t match, and this is possible, then you have a good case to be able to go back and demand a return because he didn''t represent the item properly.

I personally would want to take my business to someone with beautiful stones and an excellent reputation.
 
I believe that the law is that it has to be within 1 color grade and clarity grade right? So with the original diamond the "jeweler" may have called it a color that was way off and in that case the law would have helped. But she doesn''t have that diamond anymore and the one she has is GIA certified as a D color, and the inclusions are visible with the naked eye. I REALLY doubt that he is giving out a fake cert for an I1 at 11k. So with the original diamond I wonder if she might have had some legal recourse, but in the current situation I doubt there is anything to be done. But maybe one of the legal buffs can offer up some words.
 
I wouldn''t want an I1 diamond. You aren''t going to get a good 2 ct. stone at that price either. You''d be looking at about an H SI1 excellent cut at 1.5 cts. for $11,000. And I''d much rather have that than a D I1.
 
Glittercat, again you need to reiterate that you want a stone that doesn''t have visible inclusions. No, clarity enhanced stones will not solve the problem. As many here would tell you, it is far better to get a nicer well cut stone than a larger poorly cut stone or one with clarity issues.
Ask him to find you an eyeclean stone (SI range) you can go lower in color (I have an H color stone and it''s beautiful) with AGS ideal or GIA excellent. If he says he can''t find or doesn''t have in stock what you are looking for, use the pricescope search engine for stone(s) like that and ask that he call those stones in for you!
Be polite, but firm and persistent.
Good luck.
 
I didn''t find anything in 1.5 carats in your price range but some stones in 1.3 price range.


1.326 H SI1 61.4% 55% AGS no id id no 7.11x7.09x4.36 $7752 (good old gold)
 
Thank you so much every one. I am so lucky to find this site and to get many good advices from you nice people!
Well, I called the guy and told that I didn''t want enhanced stones. And I asked him about the wholesale price. As I mentioned about it here, he told me he adds 10% of the wholesale price and that''s his price to sell. But now he is saying 10% is the money he makes and he also have to add some to keep his bussiness. And he told me that wholesale price for this D color I1 stone is $7000.00. I really don''t have any ideas, but is it avarage? I mean I KNOW it can''t be the wholesale price for the stone(I have learned so much now
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), but he add 50% of the wholesale price to the price. Most of all local stores add that much too??? Anyway, still I can get better stone than D color, I1, 4.5 carat for $7000.00, can''t I? So just like part gypsy said, I asked him if he can order a diamond for me and trade it with the one I have if I can find a stone I like, and he said OK.(I kept beeing polite, but I could tell he was upset by his way to hang up the phone) Since it''s been a long time since I got this stone, I think it''s late to take it to Lawer now.(I really wish I''d kept the original "J" color stone...) So since I can''t get money back and can''t get out from his nasty businness, I thought I should try to take as much as I can from him. I don''t think he paid $7000.00 for this stone, I bet he paid so much less than that. But as long as I pick a stone, he can''t cheat me. Getting $7000.00 stone for $10500.00(I kept writing $11000.00, but it was $10500.00. Sorry) doesn''t make me feel good, but I think I''ll be OK with it. Now I am searching for a diamond. Thanks for looked for one for me, part gypsy! But since he is treating us so badly and kept telling us the D color I1 stone is such an amazing deal, I''m still going to keep looking for a while. I wish I could find a stone which will prove how poor deal he provided.
Thank you again everyone! I''ll keep inform
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