I NEED HELP FAST!!!! Is this stone worth....

[Lorelei]

Date: 5/20/2007 8:21:45 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 5/20/2007 8:17:41 PM
Author: nesta
Forgot to mention this CE Diamond comes with a cert from http://gemlab.com/. Anyone heard of them?

Unless it's from GIA or AGS (both places that refuse to certify clarity enhanced stones) the certs aren't reliable enough to mean anything.

Actually GIA will grade laser drilled diamonds - this process is permanent.

Nesta, if you want a flash for the cash diamond ( as known in the industry) then a CE diamond might be a consideration for you, but they are generally very difficult to sell and trade in if you ever change your mind. As for reselling for 2800 in a years time, that is anyone's guess, considering it is usual to be able to recoup 50% of what you paid for a GIA graded, non enhanced diamond. Diamonds are not a good investment, clarity enhanced or otherwise.

 

[chrono]

This link will bring you to super well cut stones at excellent prices:
http://www.winkjones.com/specials/sa_diamonds.php

Being well cut means that the diamond will sparkle like crazy. These stones are unenhanced (and will give a better resale value) with AGS certifications. You just need contact Wink to find out about his upgrade policy though.

 

[nesta]

UPDATE ------ EVERYTHING I KNOW NOW:

I spoke to the jeweler, he said the diamond is a Round Brilliant and "Premium Cut". Its a 1.71ct Yehuda diamond of SI2 Clarity and F color. Measurements are 7.61 - 7.65 x 4.73.
Price: $3,800

It has a cert from ww.GemLab.com.

It really does sparkle. I'm just concerned with the points everyone here made about durability of the stone and etc....

 

[yellowsparkles]

Date: 5/21/2007 6:11:58 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 5/20/2007 8:21:45 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 5/20/2007 8:17:41 PM
Author: nesta
Forgot to mention this CE Diamond comes with a cert from http://gemlab.com/. Anyone heard of them?

Unless it's from GIA or AGS (both places that refuse to certify clarity enhanced stones) the certs aren't reliable enough to mean anything.

Actually GIA will grade laser drilled diamonds - this process is permanent.

Nesta, if you want a flash for the cash diamond ( as known in the industry) then a CE diamond might be a consideration for you, but they are generally very difficult to sell and trade in if you ever change your mind. As for reselling for 2800 in a years time, that is anyone's guess, considering it is usual to be able to recoup 50% of what you paid for a GIA graded, non enhanced diamond. Diamonds are not a good investment, clarity enhanced or otherwise.

I agree with Lorelei. I personally wouldn't go for a clarity enhanced diamond, but that is me. you need to decide if it works for you.

As for the specs you just mentioned - - I would still wouldn't do it.

Good luck.

 

[yellowsparkles]

Date: 5/20/2007 2:55:15 PM
Author:nesta
Hello,

I have the opportunity to purchase a round 1.71ct F color SI2 ''clarity enhanced'' diamond for $3800. Is this a good deal? I might pick this up. I have done research on the CE diamonds, and wondered if $3800 for this size stone (1.71ct) with F color is a good deal? The clarity after enhancement is SI2. It was a I1. There are no visible inclusions at all w/out a scope, and man oh man it shines. just not certain from an investment standpoint though. Is $3800 ok? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this investment and CE stones in general. i think it''s a STEAL, but let me know if I''m wrong please.

I am sorry - but I don''t think anyone would sell something without making some money on it. There is no such thing as a "steal".

 

[MustangGal]

I have a CE diamond as my ering. I''m not sue if it''s just me, or if this is something that can happen to all CE diamonds, but I managed to add a large crack to the girdle with a small hit (and it''s a very think girdle). It might just have been my paticular stone, but I know the Yehuda warranty only gaurentees the filling, and not the stone as a whole. Just becasue you can''t see them, doesn''t mean the flaws that have been filled aren''t there.

I would talk to your GF about your concerns with the stone and durability. If she is fine with it, and doesn''t mind having to tell a jeweler it''s CE everytime you have anything done to the ring, then go for it. Just don''t think you''ll get any money out of it later. What you could do down the road is turn it into a pendent and get a better diamond.

Good luck!

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 5/21/2007 11:18:24 AM
Author: nesta
UPDATE ------ EVERYTHING I KNOW NOW:

I spoke to the jeweler, he said the diamond is a Round Brilliant and 'Premium Cut'. Its a 1.71ct Yehuda diamond of SI2 Clarity and F color. Measurements are 7.61 - 7.65 x 4.73.
Price: $3,800

It has a cert from ww.GemLab.com.

It really does sparkle. I'm just concerned with the points everyone here made about durability of the stone and etc....

Hi Nesta,

What everyone is saying with respect to the diamond's information is that they need:

Crown Angles
Pavillion Angles
Table %
Depth %

Your diamond certificate does not have that information available. Does your jeweler have Sarin available? That is another way of getting the same information.

As for neatfreak and others trying to help you out to see the light... I think that perhaps your light is different than most PSers. You want a large stone at a very low price. And you have found that. With the information at hand, there aren't many on here who would tell you that your diamond is a winner. There is just not enough information.

BUT if you have seen it and your lady has seen it, and you love it... then that's all that matters.

Please keep in mind though that the resale value of that diamond is not going to anywhere near the 2800 you inquired about. It's going to be closer to a few hundred dollars.

Also, as has been pointed out, there are durability concerns to keep in mind.

IF you are okay with all that... and the diamond looks good to your eyes and your lady approves... I don't think you need our approval at all. We aren't going to be the ones wearing it.

 

[nesta]

Date: 5/21/2007 11:29:07 AM
Author: MustangGal
I have a CE diamond as my ering. I''m not sue if it''s just me, or if this is something that can happen to all CE diamonds, but I managed to add a large crack to the girdle with a small hit (and it''s a very think girdle). It might just have been my paticular stone, but I know the Yehuda warranty only gaurentees the filling, and not the stone as a whole. Just becasue you can''t see them, doesn''t mean the flaws that have been filled aren''t there.

I would talk to your GF about your concerns with the stone and durability. If she is fine with it, and doesn''t mind having to tell a jeweler it''s CE everytime you have anything done to the ring, then go for it. Just don''t think you''ll get any money out of it later. What you could do down the road is turn it into a pendent and get a better diamond.

Good luck!

MustangGal, that is my only fear, her having an issue with the durabilty of the diamond. It looks really nice though. She dosent mind telling a jeweler its yehuda. Its not like saying its a CZ or something.
The idea of a pendent is good, which is what she mentioned as well. I''ll have to look at this sucker again, and keep researching....

Is this issue you had with your girdle happen alot?

 

[MustangGal]

Nesta, I don''t know if it was just me or not. My stone only had 4 prongs, and the crack happened between the largest space between two of the prongs. Cracks like this can happen on any diamond though, not just CE. If you do go for the CE diamond, I would at least put it in a 6 prong mounting to help protect it. If you are both happy with how it looks and the idea of CE, then it may be the right diamond for you. Have you compared it to other stones? Maybe other colors and clarities?

 

[nesta]

Date: 5/21/2007 11:33:18 AM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 5/21/2007 11:18:24 AM
Author: nesta
UPDATE ------ EVERYTHING I KNOW NOW:

I spoke to the jeweler, he said the diamond is a Round Brilliant and ''Premium Cut''. Its a 1.71ct Yehuda diamond of SI2 Clarity and F color. Measurements are 7.61 - 7.65 x 4.73.
Price: $3,800

It has a cert from ww.GemLab.com.

It really does sparkle. I''m just concerned with the points everyone here made about durability of the stone and etc....

Hi Nesta,

What everyone is saying with respect to the diamond''s information is that they need:

Crown Angles
Pavillion Angles
Table %
Depth %

Your diamond certificate does not have that information available. Does your jeweler have Sarin available? That is another way of getting the same information.

As for neatfreak and others trying to help you out to see the light... I think that perhaps your light is different than most PSers. You want a large stone at a very low price. And you have found that. With the information at hand, there aren''t many on here who would tell you that your diamond is a winner. There is just not enough information.

BUT if you have seen it and your lady has seen it, and you love it... then that''s all that matters.

Please keep in mind though that the resale value of that diamond is not going to anywhere near the 2800 you inquired about. It''s going to be closer to a few hundred dollars.

Also, as has been pointed out, there are durability concerns to keep in mind.

IF you are okay with all that... and the diamond looks good to your eyes and your lady approves... I don''t think you need our approval at all. We aren''t going to be the ones wearing it.

ANOTHER UPDATE, I called the Jeweler again. I have the depth and table now....


1.71ct Yehuda diamond
F Color
SI1-S12
Round Brilliant Premimum Cut
7.61 - 7.65 x 4.73
Depth: 62.5
Table: 57
Cert: NGL www.gemlab.com

 

[Gypsy]

Ask him for the angles too... SARIN would be the best way.

 

[InlovewithJHK]

honestly... and this might not be a popular opinion... but I think that you really want a 1.5 carat diamond and your budget is really only $5000 and your girlfriend loves it and you think it sparkles.... I think you should get what makes you happy. i hear that yehuda does the best CI job so at least you have that on your side. If the cut looks good and you and your GF are pleased, than I think that is all that matters. If you are interested in the BEST diamond for your money, this is prob not it but this might be the diamond that makes your fiance the most happy. Good luck!

 

[kcoursolle]

Date: 5/21/2007 1:04:21 PM
Author: Gypsy
Ask him for the angles too... SARIN would be the best way.

Ditto, it''s really impossible to evaluate the cut quality of the stone without crown/pavillion angles. Cut quality is really what makes a diamond sparkle.

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 5/20/2007 9:55:24 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 5/20/2007 9:51:00 PM
Author: nesta
NeatFreak------All it said was the cut is Round Brilliant


And I do understand the issues with CE''s, but I dont think they outweight the price....

No info on cut means it''s probably NOT a good cut. If you''re looking at poorly cut stones, with a lower than F color (because I am willing to bet that if you get this stone appraised it will appraise lower than an F), you can get a non-ce 1.5 stone for less than $5,000.

I''m only saying it one more time. If your GF brings a poorly cut, CE stone, and compares it next to a friend''s ideally cut stone, there will be a BIG difference in look and sparkle. Trust us.

Not necessarily so. My e-ring is a 3 stone pave and engraved shank. The center stone is an ideal E color 1 carat - side stones are quarter carats. Its beautiful - sparkly and white - and I get lots of compliments. My best friend''s e-ring is a CE stone - 2.2 carat princess, set in a pave halo and shank. EGL graded it F color - SI2 clarity (post enhancement). Her stone looks icy white to me and is the most sparkly princess I have seen. A very pretty ring.

When we are together (having lunch, etc) - guess who gets all the ring compliments - She does! Her ring cost $9900 from a jewelry store in Beverly Hills. She couldn''t justify spending more than that for a ring - but she bought a brand new BMW and a million dollar home in the Hollywood Hills. She couldn''t care less about resale value or "trading up" her ring.

I love my e-ring and will never trade it in for something else (sentimental that he selected the stone and designed the ring). If I want an "upgrade", I''ll just buy another one.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 5/21/2007 6:51:51 PM
Author: LAJennifer

Date: 5/20/2007 9:55:24 PM

Author: neatfreak

Date: 5/20/2007 9:51:00 PM

Author: nesta

NeatFreak------All it said was the cut is Round Brilliant



And I do understand the issues with CE's, but I dont think they outweight the price....

No info on cut means it's probably NOT a good cut. If you're looking at poorly cut stones, with a lower than F color (because I am willing to bet that if you get this stone appraised it will appraise lower than an F), you can get a non-ce 1.5 stone for less than $5,000.


I'm only saying it one more time. If your GF brings a poorly cut, CE stone, and compares it next to a friend's ideally cut stone, there will be a BIG difference in look and sparkle. Trust us.

Not necessarily so. My e-ring is a 3 stone pave and engraved shank. The center stone is an ideal E color 1 carat - side stones are quarter carats. Its beautiful - sparkly and white - and I get lots of compliments. My best friend's e-ring is a CE stone - 2.2 carat princess, set in a pave halo and shank. EGL graded it F color - SI2 clarity (post enhancement). Her stone looks icy white to me and is the most sparkly princess I have seen. A very pretty ring.


When we are together (having lunch, etc) - guess who gets all the ring compliments - She does! Her ring cost $9900 from a jewelry store in Beverly Hills. She couldn't justify spending more than that for a ring - but she bought a brand new BMW and a million dollar home in the Hollywood Hills. She couldn't care less about resale value or 'trading up' her ring.


I love my e-ring and will never trade it in for something else (sentimental that he selected the stone and designed the ring). If I want an 'upgrade', I'll just buy another one.

You didn't disprove the point I am making though. I didn't say that ALL CE's are not a good cut, and your friend's ring is probably an excellently cut stone too. But if he has a CE stone without a cert from a reputable company, that lists NO cut quality besides the unreliable company's assessment (or the measurements to let us tell whether it's a good cut), I am skeptical about the cut quality of the stone he is considering. Not all CE stones are poorly cut by any means, but this one might be. And I would never recommend that someone buy ANY stone without knowing that the cut is superb.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I''d rather have a simulated diamond than a CE diamond.

 

[MWG]

Date: 5/21/2007 7:10:08 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I''d rather have a simulated diamond than a CE diamond.

I am with Diamondseeker, I would buy a simulated diamond over a CE diamond.

Buying a CE diamond is like buying a wrecked car that has been repaired, but has a SALVAGE TITLE!!! It is only as good as its repair.

The thought that you would get $2800 for the diamond later, is not even close, a diamond that size enhanced may bring 2 - 4 hundred dollars tops!!!

If you shop right you can get a great diamond ring for $5000, but it will not be a 1.7 solitaire, but you could probably get 1.5 ct in total weight and you will be happy with the ring.

Just my 2 cents
MWG

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 5/21/2007 7:04:25 PM
Author: neatfreak


You didn''t disprove the point I am making though. I didn''t say that ALL CE''s are not a good cut, and your friend''s ring is probably an excellently cut stone too. But if he has a CE stone without a cert from a reputable company, that lists NO cut quality besides the unreliable company''s assessment (or the measurements to let us tell whether it''s a good cut), I am skeptical about the cut quality of the stone he is considering. Not all CE stones are poorly cut by any means, but this one might be. And I would never recommend that someone buy ANY stone without knowing that the cut is superb.

I''m not trying to disprove your point. Actually, my friend has absolutly no cut information on her stone - it could be poorly cut for all we know - but its pretty and sparkly. I tried to educate her about cut - but she really didn''t care - she just wanted it to be pretty and BIG. I tried to steer her away from a CE stone - but it came down to what was important to her, not what was important to me. I don''t even think her stone was done by Yehuda. But she came out with a beautiful ring with a size and a price that was right for her, that gets way more compliments than my smaller ideal cut. The original poster stated that he and his girlfriend have viewed the stone and both of them think it is pretty and sparkly. Of course, us Pricescope addicts are ALL ABOUT CUT. However, different strokes for different folks, you know? Sometimes its not all about the numbers. I think the original poster should listen to what his girlfriend wants and not what we Pricescopers would choose for ourselves. I know my friend would have been severly disappointed with a smaller stone.

Date: 5/21/2007 7:04:25 PM
Author: neatfreak
And I would never recommend that someone buy ANY stone without knowing that the cut is superb.

Personally, I wouldn''t either. I recommended my friend not purchase the stone in her ring. She did anyway and she couldn''t be happier.

 

[surfgirl]

LAJenn, are you sure your friend''s not getting more compliments because her ring/stone is big? I''m just wondering because alot of people would assume her ring was "amazing" because of its size and they wouldn''t know a good diamond if it hit them in the face.

And count me in as preferring a CZ over a CE stone anyday. But hey, different strokes. I think if Nesta buys this ring he needs to post alot of photos so we can all see this stone. I''m interested in seeing close ups and on the hand shots....

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 5/22/2007 1:11:04 PM
Author: surfgirl
LAJenn, are you sure your friend''s not getting more compliments because her ring/stone is big? I''m just wondering because alot of people would assume her ring was ''amazing'' because of its size and they wouldn''t know a good diamond if it hit them in the face.

That''s exactly my point - for some people, bigger is better (as long as its still pretty to them) - and the average person doesn''t know a well cut diamond when they see it in comparison to one that isn''t.

Date: 5/22/2007 1:11:04 PM
Author: surfgirl
And count me in as preferring a CZ over a CE stone anyday. But hey, different strokes. I think if Nesta buys this ring he needs to post alot of photos so we can all see this stone. I''m interested in seeing close ups and on the hand shots....

Ditto and ditto.

 

[Gypsy]

I think Nesta fled in fear!!

 

[enbcfsobe]

Date: 5/22/2007 1:18:29 PM
Author: LAJennifer

Date: 5/22/2007 1:11:04 PM
Author: surfgirl
LAJenn, are you sure your friend''s not getting more compliments because her ring/stone is big? I''m just wondering because alot of people would assume her ring was ''amazing'' because of its size and they wouldn''t know a good diamond if it hit them in the face.

That''s exactly my point - for some people, bigger is better (as long as its still pretty to them) - and the average person doesn''t know a well cut diamond when they see it in comparison to one that isn''t.

Date: 5/22/2007 1:11:04 PM
Author: surfgirl
And count me in as preferring a CZ over a CE stone anyday. But hey, different strokes. I think if Nesta buys this ring he needs to post alot of photos so we can all see this stone. I''m interested in seeing close ups and on the hand shots....

Ditto and ditto.

At the same time, it seems like the average person generally ''reads'' a well-cut diamond as larger than a poorly-cut diamond. If you think beyond the side-by-side comparison in which size would be more apparent, I think there is something to be said for having a rock that most people will assume is larger than it really is, especially since side-by-side comparisons are pretty rare other than in ring shopping.

I agree that nesta has run far far away, but the idea of people''s perceptions is really interesting to me.

 

[nesta]

Date: 5/22/2007 2:13:42 PM
Author: Gypsy
I think Nesta fled in fear!!

Oh no, I'm here!!! I'm going to see the stone again tonight when I get off work. i appreciate everyones input here.

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 5/22/2007 4:19:25 PM
Author: nesta

Date: 5/22/2007 2:13:42 PM
Author: Gypsy
I think Nesta fled in fear!!

Oh no, I''m here!!! I''m going to see the stone again tonight when I get off work. i appreciate everyones input here.

Take pictures!

 

[MWG]

Hey Nesta,

Understand this forum just wants you to get a great diamond for your lady. If this diamond is what you want, then buy it.

My suggestion though, would be to find a very well cut (ideal with proper angles etc.) diamond of similar size (of course the price will not be the same) and compare the two side by side.

If you see no difference and you still like the original diamond, then buy it!!!!!!

And seriously, take some pictures, we would love to see them.....*S*

Good Luck
MWG

 

[kcoursolle]

Date: 5/22/2007 5:00:24 PM
Author: MWG
Hey Nesta,

Understand this forum just wants you to get a great diamond for your lady. If this diamond is what you want, then buy it.

My suggestion though, would be to find a very well cut (ideal with proper angles etc.) diamond of similar size (of course the price will not be the same) and compare the two side by side.

If you see no difference and you still like the original diamond, then buy it!!!!!!

And seriously, take some pictures, we would love to see them.....*S*

Good Luck
MWG

This is a great idea. I think often times people don''t really realize how much more beautiful a well-cut stone is. Once you have one of those you really can''t go back. I have a pair of lousy cut studs and there is a *world* of difference between them and my ACA stones on my wedding band.

 

[nesta]

Well Folks, She said YES! I''m engaged and the ring looks amazing!!!! Thanks for all your help.....

 

[BigDiamonds]

Congratulations! I think I speak for everyone when I say pictures please!!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Congratulations!!!

 

[surfgirl]

Date: 6/3/2007 9:00:49 AM
Author: nesta
Well Folks, She said YES! I''m engaged and the ring looks amazing!!!! Thanks for all your help.....

Congrats Nesta...but after all the input we''ve all given you here on PS, you need to please post hand shots and close ups of this ring/stone, okay? We''re all dying to see the stone that got you into such a frenzy, so post photos today please...!