I am very confused...an agsl with excelent plsh/sym???

[treepop]

Report: AGS
Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 0.742
Color: F
Clarity: SI1
Depth: 61.2
Table: 56
Crown Angle: 34.6
Crown %: 15.1
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Pavilion %: 42.8
Girdle: medium to slight thick
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: Pointed
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 5.81-5.84X3.56



Report: AGS
Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 0.748
Color: F
Clarity: SI1
Depth: 61.9
Table: 54.9
Crown Angle: 61.9
Crown %: 54.7
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Pavilion %: 43
Girdle: Thin to Slightly Thick Faceted
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: Pointed
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 5.82-5.84X3.61



Those are the specs of the diamond''s I am looking at...how can it be an ags with an excellent polish and symmetry when they only rate at ideal - very good?

 

[JulieN]

If they are WF ES, I know why.

 

[treepop]

Sorry whats that mean?

*EDIT*

AHHHH!!!! yes...they are!

 

[belle]

ags doesn''t only issue ''ideal'' grades. it is just their top grade.

 

[treepop]

Date: 7/13/2006 5:30:43 PM
Author: belle
ags doesn't only issue 'ideal' grades. it is just their top grade.

GIA-GTL
Excellent
Very Good
Good
Fair
Poor

AGSL
Ideal
Very Good
Good
Fair
Poor



So thats not law?

 

[JulieN]

Excellent is the highest grade given for finish on a DQR. The ideal finish grade is only for DQDs. WF labels it as an AGS ideal because it gets the ideal grade for light performance, even though it doesn't say on the DQR, because WF gets all those numbers. At least, that's what I think happens.

 

[treepop]

Date: 7/13/2006 5:34:39 PM
Author: JulieN
Excellent is the highest grade given for finish on a DQR. The ideal finish grade is only for DQDs. WF labels it as an AGS ideal because it gets the ideal grade for light performance, even though it doesn't say on the DQR, because WF gets all those numbers. At least, that's what I think happens.

*EDIT*

DQR <-----I GOT IT "Report"

So why wouldn't they submit the diamond to a dqd?

 

[JulieN]

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ags-dqd-grading-reports-old-and-new.45611/

 

[treepop]

Date: 7/13/2006 5:37:35 PM
Author: JulieN
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ags-dqd-grading-reports-old-and-new.45611/

awesome thanks

So in an effort to save money on a report they submited it to the dqr... well thats a bummer

How will I know if it''s Ideal quality?

 

[belle]

Date: 7/13/2006 5:36:43 PM
Author: treepop

DQR <-----I GOT IT ''Report''

So why wouldn''t they submit the diamond to a dqd?

only the aca line gets dqd grading reports. it is part of the ''eliteness'' (is that a word?)

expert selection comes with either a gia report or an ags dqr.

 

[JulieN]

ask. it preserves the prestige of the ACA line.

 

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Date: 7/13/2006 5:40:59 PM
Author: treepop
So in an effort to save money on a report they submited it to the dqr... well thats a bummer

How will I know if it's Ideal quality?

I think it's not just to save money, as the price difference is like $50, I believe. According to WF, it's also to maintain the prestige that is the ACA. The only way to know if it's Ideal is to submit it to AGS. Interestingly enough, I believe AGS would actually be able to look up your stone and figure out what grade it will receive, as they save all that data for each stone. The only way to tell for a consumer, though, is to dish out the cash. I don't even think they'd need your stone back, technically. But they've got to make their money somehow. Another option is to have an experienced appraiser look at it and give their opinion on what it might get. In the end, the only way to know if it's an AGS000 is to get it graded AGS000 by AGS.

John Q has made the point that there may be AGS000's hiding in the ES range for the picking. I considered getting mine certified just to see, but concluded that the certificate would not, in fact, affect the performance that my eyes saw from the stone. It might affect my perception of the stone (either in a negative way if it got AGS1 for polish, or in a positive way if it got AGS000), but what's the point of spending money to mess with my head? (drugs, alcohol, strip clubs & gambling aside)

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[JohnQuixote]

Date: 7/13/2006 6:08:21 PM
Author: ^

John Q has made the point that there may be AGS000's hiding in the ES range for the picking. I considered getting mine certified just to see, but concluded that the certificate would not, in fact, affect the performance that my eyes saw from the stone. It might affect my perception of the stone (either in a negative way if it got AGS1 for polish, or in a positive way if it got AGS000), but what's the point of spending money to mess with my head? (drugs, alcohol, strip clubs & gambling aside)

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Crikey. Sounds like the coursework for an MBP (Masters in Bachelor Party).

We often remind consumers that the purpose of Expert Selection is 'best value for the money.' As regards premium rounds at ideal proportions, the money saved by requesting a DQR is passed on to the consumer in the price point of the diamond, which has our assurance of expert analysis. For any who want all the 'trimmings' including, as caret noted, the not-necessarily-visible pedigree in ideal polish/sym & the true optical symmetry we have the ACA brand. In case it's a question, ES does come with the same array of purchase benefits as ACA. Hope this is helpful.

Here's info on DQD/DQR.

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 7/13/2006 5:32:38 PM
Author: treepop

Date: 7/13/2006 5:30:43 PM
Author: belle
ags doesn''t only issue ''ideal'' grades. it is just their top grade.

GIA-GTL
Excellent
Very Good
Good
Fair
Poor

AGSL
Ideal
Very Good
Good
Fair
Poor



So thats not law?

I believe, but could be wrong, someone will tell me if I am that AGS goes like this with Excellent after Ideal.

Ideal
Excellent
Very good
yada
yada

And no, there is no Law about how diamonds are graded. I could set up a Lab tomorrow and make up my own system. As long as people would pay me for it I would be legally in business.

 

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http://www.agslabs.com/ agrees with that assessment, Wink.

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From AGSlabs.com

"The DQR identifies proportion information without judging the quality of those proportions. Further, the DQR identifies polish and symmetry in the following manner: Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, and Poor."

And the below screenshot which specifies cut grade heirarchy for DQD. I'm no expert, but I've always thought of it as a graphical representation. Two columns, the one on the left is DQD, right is DQR. Ideal and Excellent bars start at the top, then on the left side, Ideal ends part way down the right side's Excellent. Then both Excellents end at the same point. So Excellent DQR might be Ideal DQD. Confused yet? AGS is just saying it's at most a 1, could be a zero, wouldn't you like to know? Pay us more cash! They've certainly created value in AGS000 by keeping more stringent standards, kudos to them.

DQD..............DQR
Ideal..........Excellent
Excellent......Excellent
Very Good......Very Good
Good...........Good
Etc.

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