I am nervous about choosing wrongly, so please help me decide...

[007 Gems Bond]

Greetings one and all!

I need to choose between these two [seemingly] equally beautiful sparklers.

Disregarding the obvious differences in weight and price, which of these two stones would you select, and why?

I value your combined expertise very much, so I would really appreciate you taking the time to respond. Thank you kindly.

 

[Trinity]

LOL I have to say I love your screen name!
I wish I would of thought of that name!

 

[007 Gems Bond]

Diamond 1

Certificate: GIA

Shape and Cutting Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.43mm - 6.46mm x 3.94mm
Weight: 1.00 carat

Proportions
Depth: 61.1%
Table: 57%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None

Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Clarity Grade: VVS2

Color Grade: D

Fluorescence: None

External Cut
AGS Ideal "0"
Estimated Weight: 1.001 carat
Diameter: 6.44mm (6.42mm - 6.45mm) [0.6%]
Total Depth: 61.2% 3.94mm
Crown Angle: 34.8' (34.5' - 35.0') 0
Crown Height: 15.1% (14.9% - 15.4%)
Pavilion Angle: 40.8' (40.7' - 41.2')
Pavilion Depth: 42.6% (42.5% - 42.7%) 0
Culet: 0.3% Very Small 0
Table Size: 57.2% (56.8% - 57.5%) 0
Girdle Thickness: 1.9% (1.5% - 2.3%) Slightly Thick 0
Proportion 0

Internal Cut
Symmetry: Hearts & Arrows
Light Return: Excellent
BrillianceScope
White Light Return: Very High
Colored Light Return: Very High
Scintillation: Very High

 

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Diamond 2

Certificate: GIA

Shape and Cutting Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.62mm - 6.64mm x 4.05mm
Weight: 1.07 carat

Proportions
Depth: 61.1%
Table: 55%
Girdle: Medium, Faceted
Culet: None

Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Clarity Grade: VVS1

Color Grade: D

Fluorescence: None

External Cut
AGS Ideal
Estimated Weight: 1.073 carat
Diameter: 6.630mm (6.62mm - 6.64mm)
Diameter Dev: 0.3%
Total Depth: 61.1% 4.05mm
Table Size: 56% 3.68mm
Crown Angle: 34.5' (34.3' - 34.5')
Crown Height: 15.1% (1.00mm)
Pavilion Angle: 40.9' (40.7' - 41.0')
Pavilion Depth: 43.1% (2.86mm)
Culet: 0.6% Very Small
Girdle Min: 1.06% Thin
Girdle Max: 1.51% Medium
Star/Upper Rate: 60:40
Proportion Grade: Excellent

Internal Cut
Symmetry: Hearts & Arrows
Light Return: Excellent
BrillianceScope
White Light Return: Very High
Colored Light Return: Very High
Scintillation: Very High

 

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On 3/30/2004 6:44:47 PM Trinity wrote:

LOL I have to say I love your screen name!
I wish I would of thought of that name!

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Thank you, Trinity!

 

[strmrdr]

The cheaper one.
They are both awesome and top line diamonds.
They are for all practical purposes twins.

or just flip a coin.

 

[bling]

okay...my first post didnt go through i dont think...but well try again. both a fantastic looking stones..but if i had to choose..and splittin' hairs here..id go with #2. i like the numbers a bit more on stone 2.
and others might ask why you are going D VVS? i have learned that you can go down in color and clarity and still have a fantastic performing stone. Many say the sweet spot in color is G..you dont pay the markup for a E-F, but still get a darn near colorless stone. Also, you may want to go down in clarity to a VS..still very eye clean! In doing so..you can maximize size for price. but its all a very personal choice and if thats what you are looking for then..wowo..you have found some good ones. good luck!

 

[marriahlyn]

I would pick #2 because I like the spread better......or in woman talk, the BIGGER one

 

[baltneu]

Why D color?

Care to share price of these stones?

 

[007 Gems Bond]

Thank you all for your inputs; I really do appreciate them!

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On 3/30/2004 7:26:21 PM baltneu wrote:

Why D color?

Care to share price of these stones?
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There is an "emotional" reason for choosing D, baltneu.

As I hinted in the OP, I don't want the price factor to influence people's opinions, so you will have to excuse me on this count--sorry!

Currently, the consensus seems to be more in favour of Diamond 2.

Any one else care to share their insights?

 

[hoorray]

I like #2 because of the spread, but they are both pretty close to as top of the line as you can get, and way more high end than you will ever be able to see. Thus, I agree with the previous posters that price needs to be factored in. If they are comparable, #2. If #2 is more, it depends on by how much, because they will both be spectacular.

And, it looks as if you are educated about this process, so a lecture on the fact that D is a rarity thing, not a visual thing, and VVS is about things your eye can't see that aren't there... isn't what you are looking for. If you are looking for mental "perfection" these stones will do it. However, for the sake of the many many women who say this over and over, most women would trade down at least a little in color and clarity for bigger size. Don't compromize on cut to keep the flash and sparkle!

 

[Magnum]

If price difference is not a factor, 'cause they are $2000 different, and you want the best 1 carat diamond, I'd have to choose the 1.07 D VVS1 as well. It's got a little bigger diameter, it's one clarity grade better and closer to flawless, and the brilliancescope pictures are a little better and show awesome optical symmetry. Also, rhino doesn't seem to include the ISEE2 pictures anymore, but I'm pretty sure the 9.8 right after the brilliancescope is the ISEE2 score, which is the highest possible and suggests that the stone will be awesome in diffuse light as well.

 

[aljdewey]

The good news is....you really can't pick "wrongly". Either stone looks to be beautiful, so there is no "wrong" choice here.

Choosing between the two, I'd agree with #2, primarily because all else seems equal (didn't see star facet numbers on #1), but the crown/pav angle relationship seems tighter on stone #2, the idealscope bears out that hte stone has fantastic light return. Stone #2 appears to be a 1A stone; Stone #1 is a 1B stone (primarily because of the pavilion depth and the crown angle.)

I don't know if that's worth a $2k difference to you.........and I'm not sure it would be to me.....but you aren't asking about price. You're asking which stone would we pick if price, etc weren't a consideration, and if that was so, the answer for me is #2.

 

[valeria101]

What happened with D-IF ? These are darn close... There is a dearth of "perfection hunters here"

I hope this Q is not taken wrongly. Just curious!

 

[Icicles]

Hi,

I'm one of the few that prefer quality over quantity. I'd much rather have a perfect 1ct (D/IF-VVS2) than a 1.5ct of lesser quality. Even if my eyes can't see the inclusions, I still know it's there, and I can definitely see the color. A dirty mess may be swept under the couch and out of sight, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist anymore!!

I understand how important emotionally and psychologically it is to own something "perfect", and I'm sure it's very important to you and your future fiancee too, otherwise you wouldn't have picked these stones. Go with #2, and Congratulations!!

 

[diamondsman]

I like # 2 for the simple fact that it has a more uniform girdle!
they are both exceptionally nice stones.
why the overkill on color and clarity

I would have gone with a larger stone that would be an EVS1
and get "a big bang for my buck"
just my 2 cents.

 

[derekinla]

I would go for Diamond #2 just because it's a tiny bit bigger as both are very well cut. Size wins! I agree that if at all possible, I would ease down on some of the color and definitely the clarity to get a bigger stone. People buy diamond for different reasons and if the D VVS grades have some emotional, symbolic value... go for it! For other folks who just want to maximize their "bling for the buck," we all need to remember that clarity grades are determined at a 10x magnification which to me is kind of arbitrary. In otherwords, if diamonds were graded at 20x, 30x etc.... inclusion plots would look much different! For that reason, VVS grades seem to me to be overkill since no one walks around with a 10x loupe in their pockets (unless you're a jeweler/gemologist). Good Luck!

 

[Giangi]

I too would choose #2.

It has a very nice spread and tight crown/pavilion combo. They are both two exceptional stones... You can't go wrong with any of those. Rhino knows his diamonds.

 

[007 Gems Bond]

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On 3/31/2004 8:59:59 AM diamondsman wrote:

why the overkill on color and clarity

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As a possessor of the coveted "Double O" prefix, I am Licensed to thrill!

 

[sumi]

Ha ha ha, you're too funny!


Did you decide on which stone to go with?

 

[007 Gems Bond]

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On 3/31/2004 8:33:11 PM sumi wrote:

Ha ha ha, you're too funny!

Did you decide on which stone to go with?
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Now that's a $2,000 question, my friend; one which I am going to take this weekend to think about.

To all those who responded: You have my sincere thanks for telling-it-like-it-is.

Obligatory quote:
Diamonds are forever -- Bond, Gems Bond...

 

[diamondsman]

overkill, ha,ha why didnt i think of it, gems bond, I love it

 

[glitterata]

Have you actually seen these two stones? If you're spending that much money, it might be worth while taking a trip--depending on how far away you live--and looking at them in person. Maybe one will look better to you.