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Hi all,
I have been lurking on this site a while reading up and asborbing all the helpful posts by everyone, and was hoping I could get some feedback on this diamond I''ve found.

Here are the specs:

Report Type: GIA Diamond Dossier®
Date of Issue: July 06, 2007

Price $ 2713.87
Price per Carat $ 3309.60
Laser Inscription Registry: GIA 16007724
Round Brilliant
Measurements: 5.99 - 6.04 x 3.69 mm
Carat Weight: 0.82
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: VS2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 61.3 %
Table: 58 %
Crown Angle: 36°
Crown Height: 15.5 %
Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
Pavilion Depth: 42.5 %
Star length: 50 %
Lower Half: 75 %
Girdle: Thin to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Clarity Characteristics: Feather, Crystal

It comes back as:
Factor Grade
Light Return Very Good
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Very Good
Spreador diameter for weight Very Good


I''m looking for a H&A diamond in that CW range with Med blue flourescence, so it matches all my criteria. I just want to make sure I''m not missing anything, cut is my most important factor, so I''m glad to see it has an Excellent Fire rating. The only thing throwing me off about this is the girdle, is thin to slight thick, faceted is that a concern?
The price is quite a bit lower then other diamonds I was looking at on some sites, I found this on usacerted.com

Thanks for any feedback
 
lgf% too low for the crown and pavilion angle combination I wouldn''t buy it myself.
 
You would want the HCA scores to be Excellent, Excellent, Excellent, Very Good. As Storm said, you can do better!

Use this search tool and put in excellent-excellent for cut, and check GIA and AGS for labs. You'll get a selection of great stones that way.

https://www.pricescope.com/sift.aspx
 
Ok, thanks for the advice and the link!
I''ll have to keep looking and see what else I can find.
 
Hi there! If you post your the kind of stone you are looking for ie. colour, clarity, size or a ball park budget, we can help you find some really lovely stones if you want!

Good luck with the search
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Hi, thanks for the offer!

Here''s what I''m roughly looking for:

Colour: F-H (H is fine)
Clarity: VS1, VS2, SI1 (VS2 preferred)
Cut Grade: Excellent
Carat: .75 to .90 (.8ish preferred)
Budget: 5k including setting. Looking for a D.Vatche Royal Crown Pave setting. So about 3k left for the diamond?
HCA: excellent, excellent, excellent, very good (prefferred)
Flourescence: medium blue (I think it would be cool to have a diamond with flourescence, something unique)

I sent an email to goodoldgold on friday haven''t heard back yet, maybe I''ll give them a call and see if they can turn up something.
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Thanks for the help, here's two that I like so far. Opinions?

Goodoldgold:
Price: $3,337.25
HCA: 1.1 ex ex ex vg
CW: .81
Colour: H
Clarity: SI1
Cut: Excellent
Table 56.08%
Depth 62.12
Crown angle: 34.63
Pavilion angle: 40.7
Fluorescence: Negligible
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3893/

Blue nile:
Price: $3,552
HCA: 1.3 ex ex ex vg
CW: .78
Colour: D
Clarity: SI1
Cut: Signature Ideal
Table 55%
Depth 61.8
Crown angle: 34.5
Pavilion angle: 40.8
Fluorescence: Medium Blue

http://www.bluenile.ca/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01237410&filter_id=0

I'm not sure which would be better. The blue nile is better colour and has fluorescence which I like, but $200 more. I don't mind the lower carat weight. The goodoldgold seems to have a bit better cut.
 
Another question. If I buy the diamond off bluenile, how can I have it set in a D. Vatche setting?
 
Just a suggestion, but Good Old Gold and Engagement Rings Direct are in NY and can usually call in Blue Nile listed stones for you and I think both have access to D. Vatche settings if I'm not mistaken.
 
Date: 3/5/2008 1:04:06 PM
Author: pixley
Just a suggestion, but Good Old Gold and Engagement Rings Direct are in NY and can usually call in Blue Nile listed stones for you and I think both have access to D. Vatche settings if I'm not mistaken.
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If it's from the virtual listing that's correct. If it's from their Signature Selection, I don't think he can, but correct me if I'm wrong here.



As for the two, of course I like the GOG stone. The BN doesn't look bad, but we can't really compare because we don't have the cut info like on GOG's. I would venture to "guess" that the BN stone probably isn't a bad one, based on what we do know.

Also, some people have had to send BN stones back when they weren't eyeclean, though told they were. Just a heads up.

Really up to you on what you want to do.

p.s. Yes, GOG carries D'Vatche.
 
Whoops! Didn''t open the link to see that they were BN Sig stones. I would still trust Mark or Jon to pick out a RB and set it in a D''Vatche over taking a chance on a BN hit or miss situation.
 
Well I went into a local jeweler today just to take a look at what they had and see if their prices were reasonable.
They showed me a .7 G VS2 "Hearts on fire" diamond for roughly 8k, not the price range that most online are. I also asked them about a Vatche setting and the price they quoted me on was over 1k more then what''s listed on Niceice.com
I showed them some of the diamonds online and she wasn''t sure why they would be so much less and was going to look into it.
Finally, I mentioned I wanted a med blue flourescence diamond and she said it actually interefered with the stone unlike most of the material I''ve read online, and said it wasn''t a good quality.

Is this the kind of experience most people have?
This jeweler is suppose to be good and they even make their own mountings.
 
Date: 3/6/2008 9:21:57 AM
Author: Zornhut


Well I went into a local jeweler today just to take a look at what they had and see if their prices were reasonable.
They showed me a .7 G VS2 ''Hearts on fire'' diamond for roughly 8k, not the price range that most online are. I also asked them about a Vatche setting and the price they quoted me on was over 1k more then what''s listed on Niceice.com
I showed them some of the diamonds online and she wasn''t sure why they would be so much less and was going to look into it.
Finally, I mentioned I wanted a med blue flourescence diamond and she said it actually interefered with the stone unlike most of the material I''ve read online, and said it wasn''t a good quality.

Is this the kind of experience most people have?
This jeweler is suppose to be good and they even make their own mountings.
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In a word, yes.

Be prepared to run into it a lot if you try to shop locally. This is one of the reasons I finally gave up and bought online.
 
Date: 3/6/2008 9:21:57 AM
Author: Zornhut


Well I went into a local jeweler today just to take a look at what they had and see if their prices were reasonable.
They showed me a .7 G VS2 ''Hearts on fire'' diamond for roughly 8k, not the price range that most online are. I also asked them about a Vatche setting and the price they quoted me on was over 1k more then what''s listed on Niceice.com
I showed them some of the diamonds online and she wasn''t sure why they would be so much less and was going to look into it.
Finally, I mentioned I wanted a med blue flourescence diamond and she said it actually interefered with the stone unlike most of the material I''ve read online, and said it wasn''t a good quality.

Is this the kind of experience most people have?
This jeweler is suppose to be good and they even make their own mountings.
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I downloaded the PDF file on Flouro that GIA did. Went through all 16 pages of the study when I was looking for a stone. The bottom line is, and this is a quote from it
"The present study also challenges the trade
perception that fluorescence usually has a negative
effect on better-color diamonds. Our results show
that the diamond industry would be better served
by considering each individual diamond on its own
visual merits.

I''d take GIA''s word over a random salespersons anyday.
 
Date: 3/6/2008 10:50:50 AM
Author: elle_chris

Date: 3/6/2008 9:21:57 AM
Author: Zornhut


Well I went into a local jeweler today just to take a look at what they had and see if their prices were reasonable.
They showed me a .7 G VS2 ''Hearts on fire'' diamond for roughly 8k, not the price range that most online are. I also asked them about a Vatche setting and the price they quoted me on was over 1k more then what''s listed on Niceice.com
I showed them some of the diamonds online and she wasn''t sure why they would be so much less and was going to look into it.
Finally, I mentioned I wanted a med blue flourescence diamond and she said it actually interefered with the stone unlike most of the material I''ve read online, and said it wasn''t a good quality.

Is this the kind of experience most people have?
This jeweler is suppose to be good and they even make their own mountings.
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I downloaded the PDF file on Flouro that GIA did. Went through all 16 pages of the study when I was looking for a stone. The bottom line is, and this is a quote from it
''The present study also challenges the trade
perception that fluorescence usually has a negative
effect on better-color diamonds. Our results show
that the diamond industry would be better served
by considering each individual diamond on its own
visual merits.

I''d take GIA''s word over a random salespersons anyday.
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Well Said!
I ''m with u on this one
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Well I think I found a stone at GoG that is a good compromise of what I''m looking for:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4078/

0.69ct G VS2 Round H&A
Shape: Round
Carat Weight: 0.69ct
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
AGS Cut Grade: Ideal
est GIA Cut Grade: Excellent
AGS Light Performance: Ideal
Optical Symmetry: Superior
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Fluorescence: Medium
Girdle: 1.92%
Culet: None
Lab Report: AGS
Lab Report #: 9310810
In House: Yes
Width: 5.66mm
Length: 5.68mm
Depth: 3.51mm
Table Percentage: 55.67%
Depth Percentage: 61.94%
Crown : 34.59°
Crown Depth: 15.18%
Pavilion : 40.90°
Pavilion Depth: 43.18%
Upper Girdle : 42.95°
Lower Girdle : 42.11°
Policy: Lifetime Guarantee

Price: $2,520.69


It doesn''t show up great on HCA, but it does fine on all the reports on GoG which kinda of threw me off. Jonathan assurred me its a great diamond.

Next thing is to pick out a setting... I like the D.Vatche Royal Crown Pave setting, but they are pretty expensive!

Does anyone have any other suggestions for a great setting that I should consider?

Thanks for all the help so far.
 
Date: 3/6/2008 10:23:37 PM
Author: Zornhut



Well I think I found a stone at GoG that is a good compromise of what I''m looking for:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4078/

0.69ct G VS2 Round H&A


It doesn''t show up great on HCA, but it does fine on all the reports on GoG which kinda of threw me off. Jonathan assurred me its a great diamond.

Next thing is to pick out a setting... I like the D.Vatche Royal Crown Pave setting, but they are pretty expensive!

Does anyone have any other suggestions for a great setting that I should consider?

Thanks for all the help so far.
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Not sure why you said this, it gets an "acceptable" score. And besides, the HCA is only for getting the "go ahead" to get more info, which you have. That''s all it''s good for, not to be used to select a stone.

This stone will be stunning, no doubt about it.
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You might want to make a new thread for your setting, telling what you like, and asking for more budget friendly suggestions. The setting ladies would help you out I''m sure!
 
I guess I phrased that sentence wrong, I meant that it only showed up on HCA as ex vg vg vg. But all of the reports Jonathan has shows its a much better stone, which is good.

I''ll make a new thread for the setting.

Thanks for your help.
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Date: 3/7/2008 8:19:35 AM
Author: Zornhut

I guess I phrased that sentence wrong, I meant that it only showed up on HCA as ex vg vg vg. But all of the reports Jonathan has shows its a much better stone, which is good.

I''ll make a new thread for the setting.

Thanks for your help.
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Yes. The HCA can be good to help pick stones out, but it doesn''t have all the info on the stone, so it never gives a clear picture. One should take it with a grain of salt.

I know for sure just how pretty that stone will be.
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And you''re welcome!
 
Date: 3/3/2008 7:02:32 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
You would want the HCA scores to be Excellent, Excellent, Excellent, Very Good. As Storm said, you can do better!

Use this search tool and put in excellent-excellent for cut, and check GIA and AGS for labs. You'll get a selection of great stones that way.

https://www.pricescope.com/sift.aspx
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That is wrong in most cases, while the description scores can sometimes point too problems without taking symmetry and the minor facets into account there is no way of telling how the mix of white light and colored light and scint is going too be.
The HCA is best at telling you if the c/p combo works well together.
The only time id pay any attention too anything but the number score is if no other information is available.

In this example: 36/40.6/80LGF would be in most cases perfectly acceptable if well cut and the IS image looked good but 36/40.6/75LGF is a mismatch with the minor facets.
 
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