How sure are you that Jacob is good John is bad?

[zhuzhu]

I loved tonight''s LOST! However I am just so curious as to who Jacob really is. From his sayings it is so implying that he is the God figure, yet so twisted!!

 

[akmiss]

I really enjoyed tonight''s episode too! I always found Richard intriguing so I was glad to get some answers

I do think that Jacob is good but then that is what the show wants us to believe. I am sure it will end differently....

 

[zhuzhu]

I thought it was extremely blizzard that Jacob has ability to grant immortality but not forgiveness of sins.... Clues to something "off"?

 

[TooPatient]

I don''t know who is good anymore. There are so many little details that could point to either. My opinion shifted so many times in the last couple of episodes.

Can''t wait for next week!

 

[Shoopy]

I don''t think either of them is bad.

I think MIB has lost faith/hope in humanity and wants to rid the world of it''s evil. That''s why he let Richard live and killed the rest. Perhaps he is able to see the good in some souls but not in others. And I think Jacob is trying to show him that humanity is worth saving by proving that there is good in everyone and so he comes up with these tests (the ship, the plane, etc).

Just my thoughts.

 

[jewelerman]

Date: 3/24/2010 2:28:15 PM
Author: TooPatient
I don''t know who is good anymore. There are so many little details that could point to either. My opinion shifted so many times in the last couple of episodes.

Can''t wait for next week!

amen to that!not sure who is naughty and who is nice!

 

[risingsun]

I''m so confused

And who is "the man in black"? I''m with this show to the bitter end, but I''d better get some answers

 

[Catmom]

I was so glad to see a show about Richard. He''s been such a puzzle for so long. His story was so sad.

 

[zhuzhu]

I find Richard to be so handsome! But doesn''t it bother you that already 2 men are willing to murder for their wives? I asked DH if he loves me enough to murder for me, and he said.......


hmmmm.... NO (?)!!!!!

 

[portia]

Date: 3/24/2010 2:21:15 AM
Author:zhuzhu
I loved tonight''s LOST! However I am just so curious as to who Jacob really is. From his sayings it is so implying that he is the God figure, yet so twisted!!

I was thinking the same thing. I''m so confused! I don''t know who is good and who is bad anymore. So it sounds like Jacob is there to keep evil from leaving the island and influencing the rest of the world so I guess he good and the other bad? But then the end of the episode had me changing my mind again.

 

[portia]

ITA. It was a really good episode in that it answered questions I had, but a very sad story.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

I fell asleep in the middle of Lost the other night so I watched the rest last night. Tragic, heartbreaking story, but the kind of story I''ve felt this show has been missing all along. I think they''ve ignored a lot of the "older" characters because they weren''t one of the original Oceanic 8. I too do not know who is good and who is bad or if there''s even an answer to that. I did get the feeling that the bottle of wine represented a pandora''s box so to speak. All I could think of was the world already has good an evil in it. What do they mean by evil being released into the world like wine spilling? How is it any different than what already exists. But it could also go back to the point they made about Richard not receiving forgiveness of his sins. Perhaps the "evil" is that that can''t be forgiven?

 

[Madam Bijoux]

I am so confused, I''m ready to go back to episode 1 and start over.

 

[partgypsy]

I posted this long post before that got eaten and didn''t want to redo it, but in that long post I thought it was interesting that Jacob parallels a New Testament God (passive, has people make own decisions), while MIB acts like Old Testament God (you are in or out, metes out harsh punishment if don''t do what want). I do think they let you see a different side of MIB last couple episodes, where he "spares" and protects people that have decided to go on his side. Another interesting analogy is for example Greek Mythology, where you have older Gods being beaten by younger Gods and losing their place. That one God is not necessarily good or bad, but just has different world views.

Arguing against that, if Jacob was a Christ figure, he would be able to forgive Ricard of his sins. Why can''t he do it? Did he have to do penance first? Or is he really not a God, just more of a guardian with certain powers?

Personally if there is a definition of "evil" I do think that MIB is, there is just no doubt. If he gets off the Island I do believe that''s bad news. Even the devil plays by some rules, doesn''t mean he''s not evil. There are many many instances of him lying, manipulating, weakening people to get his way and also, how many arbitrary deaths? Just look at the body count. On the other hand, can you think of anyone Jacob has killed? Even apparently the entire time they''ve been on the island he hasn''t tried to kill MIB, except the futile attempt after Jacob was killed himself, via Dogen and Sayid.

 

[radiantquest]

I dont understand about MIB taking Lockes body, but Jacob has to talk to Hurley? That doesnt make sense. Is Jacob waiting for a body? And at the end when the wine bottle was broken does that mean that evil is running amok? Who broke that again? Was in MIB?

I thought the episode was good, but I thought they spent WAAAY to much time showing him chained in the boat. I mean there are so many questions that need answered and they spent half an epsiode showing "Ricardo" bleeding in the bottom of a ship. Come On! To me they only needed to show him killing that guy, coming over on the ship and then the conversations with MIB and Jacob.

I thought it was interesting that Richard was told that he was in hell and that everyone was dead. That has been my husbands theory since season 2. Which then again brings me to my theory that everyone is having a psychotic episode. Remember when Hurley was seeing island people in his mind when he was in the institution so long ago?

 

[jas]

Date: 3/25/2010 8:05:21 AM
Author: Madam Bijoux
I am so confused, I''m ready to go back to episode 1 and start over.

Scoot over, please. I''d like to join you.

I, personally, was so distracted by (a) Richard''s hubba-hubba factor and (b) the wild swine feast, that I probably missed half the information of this show.

 

[partgypsy]

Yes Ricardo looked good in those old-fashioned clothes and suspenders. Yum! Though I keep thinking about him on Talk Radio, which breaks some of the 4th wall for me.

 

[princesss]

Date: 3/25/2010 11:48:51 AM
Author: part gypsy
I posted this long post before that got eaten and didn''t want to redo it, but in that long post I thought it was interesting that Jacob parallels a New Testament God (passive, has people make own decisions), while MIB acts like Old Testament God (you are in or out, metes out harsh punishment if don''t do what want). I do think they let you see a different side of MIB last couple episodes, where he ''spares'' and protects people that have decided to go on his side. Another interesting analogy is for example Greek Mythology, where you have older Gods being beaten by younger Gods and losing their place. That one God is not necessarily good or bad, but just has different world views.

Arguing against that, if Jacob was a Christ figure, he would be able to forgive Ricard of his sins. Why can''t he do it? Did he have to do penance first? Or is he really not a God, just more of a guardian with certain powers?

Personally if there is a definition of ''evil'' I do think that MIB is, there is just no doubt. If he gets off the Island I do believe that''s bad news. Even the devil plays by some rules, doesn''t mean he''s not evil. There are many many instances of him lying, manipulating, weakening people to get his way and also, how many arbitrary deaths? Just look at the body count. On the other hand, can you think of anyone Jacob has killed? Even apparently the entire time they''ve been on the island he hasn''t tried to kill MIB, except the futile attempt after Jacob was killed himself, via Dogen and Sayid.

See, I feel like Richard is a twisted Christ figure - eternal life, there to help people make the right choices and be on Jacob''s side (that argument Richard had with Jacob about people making the wrong choices if Jacob doesn''t step in since the MIB will step in in Jacob''s absence).

Right now I don''t feel like I can trust anybody on that show. The one thing I know is that if Jacob touches you with his bare hands, it means something.

 

[princesss]

Date: 3/25/2010 3:28:28 PM
Author: radiantquest
I dont understand about MIB taking Lockes body, but Jacob has to talk to Hurley? That doesnt make sense. Is Jacob waiting for a body? And at the end when the wine bottle was broken does that mean that evil is running amok? Who broke that again? Was in MIB?

I thought the episode was good, but I thought they spent WAAAY to much time showing him chained in the boat. I mean there are so many questions that need answered and they spent half an epsiode showing ''Ricardo'' bleeding in the bottom of a ship. Come On! To me they only needed to show him killing that guy, coming over on the ship and then the conversations with MIB and Jacob.

I thought it was interesting that Richard was told that he was in hell and that everyone was dead. That has been my husbands theory since season 2. Which then again brings me to my theory that everyone is having a psychotic episode. Remember when Hurley was seeing island people in his mind when he was in the institution so long ago?

But they had to get their Greek god parallel in! Ricardo was being tortured a la Tantilus - water just out of reach.

I love that this show has SO many references - BF (a philosophy major with a concentration in religion) and I (an English major) love to pause and talk about all the literary and philosophical/classical references.