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I'm looking for a 3X fair D IF stone...Paul-Antwerp|1423770075|3831472 said:Interesting question, DF,
Since I rarely see such stones (cannot even remember ever seeing one), I did some research on a wholesale-listing. Searched for GIA-Fair only in a range of 1.00 to 1.99 Ct, all colors, all clarities.
Found over 2,400 stones worldwide, which did not seem enormous, but still more than I expected. Then checked how many there were in Belgium: about 230 (just under 10% thus). I was surprised though that only about 30 of them were priced at a fair price compared to the fair grade. Looking a bit further, I noticed that about 180 were from one single supplier, notorious for his high pricing compared to usual market-levels. I must admit, I was shocked to see them pricing Fair at pricing one can also get average EX today.
What interests you most probably, about 750 could be found in the US. Other relatively big inventory is in India, just over 900.
Live long,
DavidRockdiamond|1423793626|3831659 said:If we're speaking of GIA graded rounds, the "Fair" symmetry graded stones I've seen were all visibly "off make" and pretty horrible.
But in fancy shaped diamonds, I've seen quite a few attractive stones graded fair symmetry by GIA.
Granted, most were fancy colored- but I've also seen colorless fancy shapes with Fair symmetry that had a lot of visual appeal.
Its horribleRandG|1423833139|3831801 said:This is probably my most horrible stone with poor symmetry. Bottom is a recently graded "round brilliant", triple good. I know, what was I thinking....
RandG|1423835204|3831814 said:Niel! My favorite diamond picker!Any interest in finding me a horrible pear too? I'm having a love affair with fatty old pears right now but finding larger stones with the right shape/cut has been a challenge. When you're out there doing your laser sharp searching... keep me in mind... please? You're a gem to this forum, truly.
Funny you attached this Diamond to this thread as I was about to write a curiosity on this subject...Rockdiamond|1423855788|3831960 said:
That's a fascinating backstory Yoram. You have mastered the art of precision imprecisionDiaGem|1423861499|3832026 said:Funny you attached this Diamond to this thread as I was about to write a curiosity on this subject...Rockdiamond|1423855788|3831960 said:
Back in the later part of the 90's when I first started to explore with antique cuts I was met with polite resistance whenever I attempted to present my cuts to potential antique jewelers/clients. They seemed to love the cuts but once they heard they were newly cut by me they stood on the fact that they only use genuine antique cuts. Most didn't even know newly antique cuts existed, they were correct, they didn't on a commercial scale yet as they do today.
Presently with a few years gone by, today I supply numerous antique jewelers with my cuts. Obviously those jewelers look for an appearance mimicking the old cuts of yester-years. In order for me to reach such specific appearances I must apply my knowledge in this field so I can supply them the looks they are seeking. To achieve such cuts one must understand the Historical methods and objectives these cuts were cut to.
Yes, a lot of our vintage cut selection will proudly carry the "Fair" grade for symmetry call.![]()
Texas Leaguer|1423862512|3832039 said:That's a fascinating backstory Yoram. You have mastered the art of precision imprecision
Combining the art of reproducing the look of early cutting with your ability to push the envelop of modern technical accuracy, is like learning a foreign language so well that you are fluent in both the formal and the street slang.
I would guess it is very challenging to work in both worlds and that not many cutters have such range.
If you cut the same stone today with what you know now would it still have a fair symmetry grade or was there something about the rough or design that forced the grade?DiaGem|1423865291|3832076 said:Texas Leaguer|1423862512|3832039 said:That's a fascinating backstory Yoram. You have mastered the art of precision imprecision
Combining the art of reproducing the look of early cutting with your ability to push the envelop of modern technical accuracy, is like learning a foreign language so well that you are fluent in both the formal and the street slang.
I would guess it is very challenging to work in both worlds and that not many cutters have such range.
Thank you Bryan for such a unique compliment...
Being brought up on a few continents I guess this reflects a lot on my outlook on life in general. People who know me can attest.
But yes, in order for me to reach the cut levels we currently reach, first I had to know how it all began approx 700 years ago...
I have seen some rounds with fair symmetry and even fair polish that were very nice.Rockdiamond|1423793626|3831659 said:If we're speaking of GIA graded rounds, the "Fair" symmetry graded stones I've seen were all visibly "off make" and pretty horrible.
But in fancy shaped diamonds, I've seen quite a few attractive stones graded fair symmetry by GIA.
Granted, most were fancy colored- but I've also seen colorless fancy shapes with Fair symmetry that had a lot of visual appeal.
Karl_K|1423868612|3832101 said:If you cut the same stone today with what you know now would it still have a fair symmetry grade or was there something about the rough or design that forced the grade?DiaGem|1423865291|3832076 said:Texas Leaguer|1423862512|3832039 said:That's a fascinating backstory Yoram. You have mastered the art of precision imprecision
Combining the art of reproducing the look of early cutting with your ability to push the envelop of modern technical accuracy, is like learning a foreign language so well that you are fluent in both the formal and the street slang.
I would guess it is very challenging to work in both worlds and that not many cutters have such range.
Thank you Bryan for such a unique compliment...
Being brought up on a few continents I guess this reflects a lot on my outlook on life in general. People who know me can attest.
But yes, in order for me to reach the cut levels we currently reach, first I had to know how it all began approx 700 years ago...
That's interesting Yoram. What is your thinking there? Do you think taking the polish from say Very Good to Excellent has an appreciable impact on beauty?DiaGem|1423870089|3832121 said:Karl_K|1423868612|3832101 said:If you cut the same stone today with what you know now would it still have a fair symmetry grade or was there something about the rough or design that forced the grade?DiaGem|1423865291|3832076 said:Texas Leaguer|1423862512|3832039 said:That's a fascinating backstory Yoram. You have mastered the art of precision imprecision
Combining the art of reproducing the look of early cutting with your ability to push the envelop of modern technical accuracy, is like learning a foreign language so well that you are fluent in both the formal and the street slang.
I would guess it is very challenging to work in both worlds and that not many cutters have such range.
Thank you Bryan for such a unique compliment...
Being brought up on a few continents I guess this reflects a lot on my outlook on life in general. People who know me can attest.
But yes, in order for me to reach the cut levels we currently reach, first I had to know how it all began approx 700 years ago...
Sure I would Karl, otherwise how would I achieve that genuine old feeling appearance? With exact symmetry points?
I will admit there is much more to simply cutting "old cut" Diamonds, even beautiful wonky Diamond cuts need planning & designing too.
I usually will put extra efforts on its polish (hence the excellent polish grade issued to the wonky shaped Diamond David illustrated above...![]()
Firstly, I am cutting these Diamonds with present day tooling which allows me to easily achieve a high polish level.Texas Leaguer|1423871128|3832127 said:That's interesting Yoram. What is your thinking there? Do you think taking the polish from say Very Good to Excellent has an appreciable impact on beauty?DiaGem|1423870089|3832121 said:Karl_K|1423868612|3832101 said:If you cut the same stone today with what you know now would it still have a fair symmetry grade or was there something about the rough or design that forced the grade?DiaGem|1423865291|3832076 said:Texas Leaguer|1423862512|3832039 said:That's a fascinating backstory Yoram. You have mastered the art of precision imprecision
Combining the art of reproducing the look of early cutting with your ability to push the envelop of modern technical accuracy, is like learning a foreign language so well that you are fluent in both the formal and the street slang.
I would guess it is very challenging to work in both worlds and that not many cutters have such range.
Thank you Bryan for such a unique compliment...
Being brought up on a few continents I guess this reflects a lot on my outlook on life in general. People who know me can attest.
But yes, in order for me to reach the cut levels we currently reach, first I had to know how it all began approx 700 years ago...
Sure I would Karl, otherwise how would I achieve that genuine old feeling appearance? With exact symmetry points?
I will admit there is much more to simply cutting "old cut" Diamonds, even beautiful wonky Diamond cuts need planning & designing too.
I usually will put extra efforts on its polish (hence the excellent polish grade issued to the wonky shaped Diamond David illustrated above...![]()