How Do You Feel About Drones?

[iLander]

The FAA released a statement in response to questions about an ordinance under consideration in the tiny farming community of Deer Trail, Colo., that would encourage hunters to shoot down drones. A drone "hit by gunfire could crash, causing damage to persons or property on the ground, or it could collide with other objects in the air," the statement said.

Under the proposed ordinance, Deer Trail would grant hunting permits to shoot drones. The permits would cost $25 each. The town would also encourage drone hunting by awarding $100 to anyone who presents a valid hunting license and identifiable pieces of a drone that has been shot down.

Deer Trail resident Phillip Steel, 48, author of the proposal, said in an interview "I don't want to live in a surveillance society. I don't feel like being in a virtual prison," Steel said. "This is a pre-emptive strike." "The FAA doesn't have the power to make a law," he said.

FAA officials have estimated that once regulations are in place, thousands of drones will be in use across the country for a wide variety of purposes, from helping farmers figure out which crops need watering to tracking sea lions in remote rocky outcroppings to aiding search and rescue missions. (yeah, right. Whatever )

The Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, a drone industry trade group, was concerned enough last year about people threatening to shoot down drones that it issued a statement warning that such comments were "irresponsible, dangerous and unlawful."

I wish the government would stop lying to us. We don't need thousands of drones to track sea lions.

The fact that there is an "industry" with a trade group, tells me we are sliding down a slippery slope and we don't even realize it.

How do you feel about this?

 

[JewelFreak]

Just the way you do, iLander. It gives me total creeps. Lying to us -- exactly.

In our world now, the government observes just about everything we do, where we go, whom we talk to. They have technology to see through our walls into our houses -- and use it much more than they admit.

The Framers knew what it was like to live under tyranny, and knew that ANY gov't can descend into it. If the necessity arose to resist such a gov't, all this supervision makes it virtually impossible. Other countries build their military as we dismantle ours: let's say one moves in on us -- all the tools for repression are set up for them. "It can't happen here" is dangerously naive; it can happen anywhere & has. (In Holland, you must register at town hall when you move to a new community; one of the form's questions is your religion. Every Jew's address was neatly laid out when Nazis invaded. The Dutch never thought it would "happen here.")

Chilling that our everyday lives are observed & archived by bureaucrats, who WILL eventually use the info for something. Bureaucracies can't resist. We ordered Japanese take-out one night & commented that now Eric Holder knew what we were having for dinner. Black humor!

--- Laurie

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I absolutely agree. It is disgusting.

 

[sonnyjane]

Well, I don't like being surveilled but I think this solution is incredibly dangerous. What's to stop someone from shooting down a small prop plane because they think it's a drone? Also, just as the FAA said, if the drone loses control, it would crash into people on the ground! So, what if someone dies as a result of you shooting down a drone just to get $100? That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

 

[movie zombie]

everyone including the bad guys will have drones. think Mexican cartels. think mafia. make then\m and they will be sold. its all about the market and the market is growing. if LE has it, the bad guys will, too. and what if its some creepy sex offender with $ scoping out your home? personally, I think its an extreme invasion of privacy and puts us at risk for all kinds of exploitation, manipulation, and abuse.

 

[JewelFreak]

I hate the helplessness. The gov't watches us with drones, license-plate recorders in police cars (one town of 2600 estimated that over 5 yrs they had ten million license plate photos archived -- where they were taken & when -- for what use?); NSA collects our phone calls, skype, email, twitter; IRS will have all our medical records. Do we do anything about it? Have we passed the point where we can?

We don't even know who collects what about us as we go about daily life. We are already ducks in a barrel & appear to have given up our self-determination in this respect. What do you think? Does the population prefer just to get on with iphone games & not think about it?

--- Laurie

 

[kenny]

Advancing technology allowing the government and others to spy on us is a huge issue.
I hate drones and would be delighted if citizens shot them all down.

I'm soooooo glad Snowden exposed what the US gov is up to.
If he gets caught and prosecuted the NSA is going to have to admit TONS of embarrassing stuff on the witness stand.
The media will have a field day.
Public outrage will be powerful.
The jury will really be deciding not if laws were broken (they were) but should America be the land of the free or the next North Korea.

 

[movie zombie]

you are way too optimistic that he would even see a witness stand, Kenny.

the government will make sure that there are no further revelations should he fall into their hands.
if not entirely eliminated, he will rot away in a prison that will make Guantanamo look like a walk in the park.

and i'm of the opinion this is what will happen no matter who is president, which party controls congress, etc.

 

[kenny]

Yes, I believe there are powers above any president and congress.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Interesting.

 

[Ellen]

I love this thread, I love seeing some people "get" what is going on in this country. For the masses though, it's the proverbial frog in the pot of water. For those unfamiliar, do read this. It explains perfectly what has been, and is going on in this country, and the world for that matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

As for drones, of course I dislike them, for all the obvious reasons. But, I don't think anyone should be shooting at them. That's wrong. Yes, so is spying on us, but I'd hate to see retaliation. I personally think they may actually want that, but that's another thread for another day.

People need to understand that the majority of the time, when the government tells you it's for a good cause, for your good, for the good of the country, you can pretty much bet it's not. Black is white, up is down. And yes, there are higher powers Kenny, and no, there is no difference between the parties mz.

People, all people, need to start doing their homework. Start searching for the truth, it's out there, hidden in plain site. Don't think you'll find it in the main stream media, you won't. Of course, the government will tell you that the MSM is the only reliable source for info. And if you believe that, you will never reach the truth.

Start searching, wake up.....

 

[JewelFreak]

I agree w/ you & MZ -- doesn't matter which party.

Your point is exactly right. Reagan said it well: the most frightening words are "I'm from the government & I'm here to help you."

 

[vintagelover229]

When I mention anything contrary to the "official reports" on anything most people just fog up.

I had one person last night tell me flat out (even though in their gut they know it to be true what I was saying) that it's to over the top for them to fathom it actually happening.

I'm not sure who said it but I've heard that if you make the lie SO big and repeat it enough-they'll eventually believe it.

Follow the money. Most money leads to the same places. Or should I say-a select few families.

But yes I'm awake. And there aren't many my age that are. It's sad. It's scary.

But really not their fault if you think about it. That's the whole point of the matrix.


ETA: The crazy thing is they aren't really "secret" about it AT ALL. I mean-they flat out say it and people STILL don't believe it. UN-freaking-believable.

 

[JaneSmith]

I thought this was going to be about drone strikes in Pakistan or some such. Do you have a link to the original article for this story?

 

[iLander]

I thought this was going to be about drone strikes in Pakistan or some such. Do you have a link to the original article for this story?

Originally from the Associated Press, but if you google the first few words of the article, it's everywhere;
http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20130719&id=16719120

 

[iLander]

I hate the helplessness. The gov't watches us with drones, license-plate recorders in police cars (one town of 2600 estimated that over 5 yrs they had ten million license plate photos archived -- where they were taken & when -- for what use?); NSA collects our phone calls, skype, email, twitter; IRS will have all our medical records. Do we do anything about it? Have we passed the point where we can?

We don't even know who collects what about us as we go about daily life. We are already ducks in a barrel & appear to have given up our self-determination in this respect. What do you think? Does the population prefer just to get on with iphone games & not think about it?

--- Laurie

Well, this is it exactly. We are powerless.

Protests don't work, they never did. As demonstrated (pun) by the anti-Vietman war protests (we didn't get out until they had almost completely petered out) and most recently by the 99% protests. Nothing changed.

Voting doesn't work, with all the gerrymandering and anti "other party" voting. If the government can keep us distracted by Democrat versus Republican, we won't notice that the issues are ignored. Who, lately, has voted for "the other team" because a candidate took the correct stand on an issue?

Congress doesn't represent us, Congressman represent their own party, and that's it. They know that's how we vote in this day of sound-bites and emotions (oh, no! ANOTHER fiscal CRISIS! EEEK!). Congress has messed with the laws so much that a Majority Vote (in Congress) Is Not A Winning Vote. How the hell is that okay?

I'm so tired of politicians touting "Freedom" (which costs them nothing, BTW) while they're busy taking it away behind our backs.

Just bolding because I am hoping others will read the points, Laurie, not yelling at you.

 

[iLander]

you are way too optimistic that he would even see a witness stand, Kenny.

the government will make sure that there are no further revelations should he fall into their hands.
if not entirely eliminated, he will rot away in a prison that will make Guantanamo look like a walk in the park.

and i'm of the opinion this is what will happen no matter who is president, which party controls congress, etc.

100% agree with you Mozo. Look at the Wiki Leaks guy. They discredited him with some trumped-up sex scandal.

I wonder what story they'll make up about Snowden?

 

[iLander]

I love this thread, I love seeing some people "get" what is going on in this country. For the masses though, it's the proverbial frog in the pot of water. For those unfamiliar, do read this. It explains perfectly what has been, and is going on in this country, and the world for that matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

If you read Schindler's List, you'll see it spelled out there.

First there was a lot of anti-Jewish sentiment, created by the Nazis. They even had separate benches and water fountains (seriously. My grandmother was there and saw them). Then riots, demonstrations.

Then their government took them from their homes and put them in ghettos "for their own protection".

And the Jews said "Maybe this is all they will do." And life went on.

Then their government made them wear stars.

And the Jews said "Maybe this is all they will do." And life went on.

Then they started taking away those that spoke out.

Well . . . you get my point. The boiling frog was demonstrated through the history of the Jews, and it's being demonstrated by us now.

This is NOT all that they will do.

 

[iLander]

When I mention anything contrary to the "official reports" on anything most people just fog up.

I had one person last night tell me flat out (even though in their gut they know it to be true what I was saying) that it's to over the top for them to fathom it actually happening.

I'm not sure who said it but I've heard that if you make the lie SO big and repeat it enough-they'll eventually believe it.

Follow the money. Most money leads to the same places. Or should I say-a select few families.

ETA: The crazy thing is they aren't really "secret" about it AT ALL. I mean-they flat out say it and people STILL don't believe it. UN-freaking-believable.

Yes. Did anyone else notice that the inheritance tax suddenly took a drop when Sam Walton died? Did you know his family would have had to pay $300+ million if it hadn't been suspended? I think they took 10% of that, spread it around Congress, and *bing!* it went away.

 

[iLander]

Why The Right To Bear Arms will do you no good: Most people that are alarmed about the government seem to think that stockpiling guns, ammo, etc., will "save them". That's SOOOOO cute! Have you looked at our military lately? Have you looked at the firepower, equipment and manpower? The jets, the rocket launchers, the grenade launchers, the infrared this and that? Remember Waco? Seriously, some people think "revolution" will work. That's just silly!

What can we do?

Someone has to own those drone companies, they're not a couple of guys in the garage (which was all a myth, BTW). Let's boycott their parent companies!

If we can figure out who to boycott, that will help a lot! I know it sounds stupid, but a day or two of not buying stuff (the whole country would need to be together) does get attention, I looked up some stats: Gasoline: a daily average of about 367.08 million gallons (8.74 million barrels) is sold. Walmart: $36,000,000 of goods sold in ONE HOUR

I think people need to set aside politics (bread and circuses*) and start paying attention to the big picture. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

Anyone else have any ideas?

 

[packrat]

They won't, tho, that's the problem, and that's what the gov't counts on. "We" the people will never, as a whole, stand together. We're too divided, and in too many ways. Again, that's what the gov't counts on, and as far as I'm concerned, what the gov't *encourages*.

 

[vintagelover229]

They won't, tho, that's the problem, and that's what the gov't counts on. "We" the people will never, as a whole, stand together. We're too divided, and in too many ways. Again, that's what the gov't counts on, and as far as I'm concerned, what the gov't *encourages*.

And the fact that the Travon martin thread can get how many comments but something like this has maybe 10?

Thank the good Lord for my faith-that's all I can say.

But I'm glad I'm not *alone* on the boards. We can stand alone together now






bahhhh bahhhhh


Lets all go pay to watch what they want us to watch but we're silly enough to be sold. Instead of taking the red pill exiting the matrix. Things are much easier that way.

Hopefully you get my joke. I have strange humor

 

[Ellen]

When I mention anything contrary to the "official reports" on anything most people just fog up.

I had one person last night tell me flat out (even though in their gut they know it to be true what I was saying) that it's to over the top for them to fathom it actually happening.

I'm not sure who said it but I've heard that if you make the lie SO big and repeat it enough-they'll eventually believe it.Follow the money. Most money leads to the same places. Or should I say-a select few families.

But yes I'm awake. And there aren't many my age that are. It's sad. It's scary.

But really not their fault if you think about it. That's the whole point of the matrix.


ETA: The crazy thing is they aren't really "secret" about it AT ALL. I mean-they flat out say it and people STILL don't believe it. UN-freaking-believable.

It's credited to more than one person, but moreso to Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda. Ultimately, it matters not, it works. Two I love:

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic. Dresden James

and

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. Winston Churchill


I agree with you on all points, like minded person. And yes, that is the whole point of the matrix.


jewelfreak, I love that quote from Reagan!


islander, yes, I am aware this is what happened in Germany. I just thought I'd throw out a generic description first and let that sink in, let people chew on it for awhile. But thank you for mentioning it!

As for any other suggestions on what to do, there isn't anything "to do" that's going to make any lasting positive difference. This is going to only get worse. It was predicted long ago, in a book that shall not be mentioned, by an author that is not allowed to be mentioned. But His predictions (hundreds so far) have come true with a 100% accuracy rate. (take that Nostradamus) The only thing one can do at this point is align yourself with the only One who can protect you and give you faith in a bright future. (see sig)



I'll end with this. The really ironic thing about this revelation that our dear govt. is spying on us, is that if one of us had come here a few years ago and made a thread saying that, we would have been called conspiracy nuts and dismissed at once. Which should lead everyone to start wondering; What else has been called a "conspiracy theory" that might actually be true.....

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I read something published Sat. that said Jimmy Carter said that the US does not have a functioning democracy at this time. How about that?!

Glad my faith is not in the govt, either.

 

[monarch64]

Pretty sure posting my opinion about drones on an internet forum has absolutely no effect on some people in a small town who think it is their right to shoot down whoever they think is infringing on their civil rights. But I just don't agree with waging war, period.

It isn't the U.S. that's the problem, it isn't the Taliban, it isn't any specific group of terrorists anywhere that is the PROBLEM. It's us. You and me, people who really don't matter, people who just damnit want peace. It's ALL of us, who think we're right, who think OUR way is the RIGHT WAY. Until we get it through our stupid human heads that, like Kenny says, PEOPLE VARY, all of us! We'll never learn to agree to disagree. It's been this way since humans decided the Earth was made for us. We're all very steadfast in our opinion that if only others would listen and agree, we'd be at peace.

My thoughts right here in this post aren't even the "right way." My thoughts are just that...my thoughts, my opinion, etc. I have no proposal of a universal peace. I have no idea what the meaning of life is. I have no idea what the "right" way to live is, and I have no idea what the heck happens to anyone when they die. I only know this: whatever truth you seek, is yours, and I am not one to mess with that. Whatever thing you declare "right" isn't mine to infringe upon, unless it infringes upon MINE.

But it's a very hard concept to grasp when you don't think for yourself and let others tell you what's "right" and that anyone who thinks outside that box is "wrong." Billions of people don't think for themselves every single day, though.

Back to the original question: I very much dislike the idea of drones. And, if I had the means, I might find myself firing away at any I saw, because I would likely feel they were infringing upon the peaceful home my family and I have made, because we certainly aren't bothering anyone else, nor are we infringing upon the rights of any other living thing. FFS, wildlife wanders into my garage every other night, and I am always trying to get a good picture of the wee little baby skunks and they never fire back at me!

I am damn good and ready to uproot and move to some remote area with no government....oh wait, that's what America's founders did way back when...

 

[dragonfly411]

This bothers me. It bothers me on the same level as police cars tracking our vehicle movement. We are being watched more and more and that is terrifying.

 

[chrono]

I am disturbed by the idea of the government spying on its citizens as well but shooting down drones is not the right way to go about it. I don't know the best way to inform the government that I think this is wrong (contact our state representatives and senators, public demonstrations, etc) but there are safety risks and judicial repercussions by going this route.

 

[Dee*Jay]

I personally don't agree with the undisclosed purposes for which drones are almost certainly used, but I do disagree with the idea that it's OK to destroy government (or anyone's) property as a matter of "principle" just because someone doesn't like what it's being used for.