How are these asscher specs?

[flknight]

Hello everyone,

This is one of my first posts. I want to thank you all for everything I''ve learned from reading this site. I think we''re almost ready to purchase an ering and I''m working with a dealer who found this stone. Any thoughts, red flags? TIA!

Report: GIA
Shape: Square Emerald Cut
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Carat: 2.01
Depth%: 68.9%
Table %: 60%
Girdle: Thick to Very thick
Measurements: 6.95 x 6.94 x 4.78 mm
Polish:Excellent
Symmetry: Good
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Price: $18,500

 

[LitigatorChick]

The asscher folks will want some pics - specs don''t tell a tonne with asschers.

 

[strmrdr]

1: need pics too help you
2: need to find out why the: Symmetry == Good and if/how it affects face up appearance.

 

[flknight]

I hope I''m attaching these correctly. If this works I''ll attach some more. It''s the one on the right...

 

[chrono]

I like the one on the right. Can you get a better close up to see the symmetry?

 

[flknight]

Ok that seemed to work so here are a few more...

 

[flknight]

Here''s a better close-up...

 

[flknight]

And another

 

[strmrdr]

looks pretty good from what I can tell from the pics its a whole bunch better than the one on the left.
Do you have a close up of the stone by itself?
What is the drown height?

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Wow, is it the lighting that makes it look so much brighter than the one on the left? I dont'' know, but I think it looks lovely!! I might be biased, but F/VS2 is my sweet spot for asschers Colorless and eyeclean--plus the table seems nice and small and those windmills are great! I''d take it

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/29/2008 1:58:37 PM
Author: NewEnglandLady
Wow, is it the lighting that makes it look so much brighter than the one on the left? I dont'' know, but I think it looks lovely!! I might be biased, but F/VS2 is my sweet spot for asschers Colorless and eyeclean--plus the table seems nice and small and those windmills are great! I''d take it

p3 (bottom pavilion facet) angle is off on the one on the left.
When I say a asscher is too dark center that is what I''m talking about.
I looks too have a very bad case if it as it looks like the center is windowing(see thru)

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Date: 4/29/2008 2:05:48 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 4/29/2008 1:58:37 PM
Author: NewEnglandLady
Wow, is it the lighting that makes it look so much brighter than the one on the left? I dont'' know, but I think it looks lovely!! I might be biased, but F/VS2 is my sweet spot for asschers Colorless and eyeclean--plus the table seems nice and small and those windmills are great! I''d take it

p3 (bottom pavilion facet) angle is off on the one on the left.
When I say a asscher is too dark center that is what I''m talking about.
I looks too have a very bad case if it as it looks like the center is windowing(see thru)

Haha, this goes to show you that no matter how much you love step cuts, unless you know what in the heck you''re doing you can''t choose a stone. Strm can talk about specific pavillion facets and all I can muster out is "it looks pretty!"

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/29/2008 1:37:19 PM
Author: strmrdr
looks pretty good from what I can tell from the pics its a whole bunch better than the one on the left.
Do you have a close up of the stone by itself?
What is the drown height?

that should be what is the crown height?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/29/2008 2:09:37 PM
Author: NewEnglandLady

Date: 4/29/2008 2:05:48 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 4/29/2008 1:58:37 PM
Author: NewEnglandLady
Wow, is it the lighting that makes it look so much brighter than the one on the left? I dont'' know, but I think it looks lovely!! I might be biased, but F/VS2 is my sweet spot for asschers Colorless and eyeclean--plus the table seems nice and small and those windmills are great! I''d take it

p3 (bottom pavilion facet) angle is off on the one on the left.
When I say a asscher is too dark center that is what I''m talking about.
I looks too have a very bad case if it as it looks like the center is windowing(see thru)

Haha, this goes to show you that no matter how much you love step cuts, unless you know what in the heck you''re doing you can''t choose a stone. Strm can talk about specific pavillion facets and all I can muster out is ''it looks pretty!''

your assessment was spot on I was just saying why the one on the left is dark.
Viewing stones in person anyone can do this stuff its trying too figure out different pictures and what they are saying and not saying thats hard.

 

[flknight]

strm: thanks so much for the imput! I knew that you meant "crown" height. I requested it and I''ll let you know. As for the one on the left, I knew immediately that I didn''t want that one, the table is way too big (70%) and the center is dark, just like you said. I also requested a pic of this stone alone and I''ll post that when I get it.

NEL: I think it looks pretty too and I''m almost ready to pull the trigger on it but the "good" rating on the symmetry is bothering me just a little.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/29/2008 3:20:14 PM
Author: flknight
strm: thanks so much for the imput! I knew that you meant 'crown' height. I requested it and I'll let you know. As for the one on the left, I knew immediately that I didn't want that one, the table is way too big (70%) and the center is dark, just like you said. I also requested a pic of this stone alone and I'll post that when I get it.

NEL: I think it looks pretty too and I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on it but the 'good' rating on the symmetry is bothering me just a little.

ask the seller why it got a good rating and what facets are affected.
Since the vendor has it on hand its well worth considering, its when calling in stones when you have no way of knowing if its from the top visible that it is a no go issue.
With the stone in hand its a stone by stone issue.

 

[flknight]

strm - can you elaborate a little. I''m sorry but I''m not really sure what you mean by "calling in stones" and a "from the top issue". TIA!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/29/2008 5:01:48 PM
Author: flknight
strm - can you elaborate a little. I''m sorry but I''m not really sure what you mean by ''calling in stones'' and a ''from the top issue''. TIA!

most Jewelers dont carry asschers in stock and have too call them in from a supplier.
Calling in vg/vg or better improves the chance of finding a good one saving time and money,

From the top means is the effect of it visible from the top.

 

[flknight]

strm: Thank you for the explanation! I know it''s hard to tell from the pic but, in your opinion, would you say that the lower symmetry rating is affecting the look of the stone?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/29/2008 6:02:26 PM
Author: flknight
strm: Thank you for the explanation! I know it''s hard to tell from the pic but, in your opinion, would you say that the lower symmetry rating is affecting the look of the stone?

it doesnt look like it but the picture isnt good enough too tell for sure.

 

[purrfectpear]

It may be just the angle of the photos, but the stone on the right looks like the culet is off center (more diamond to the right side of the stone, than to the left of the culet)? That would be my "total laymans" guess

 

[chrono]

My guess is that the stone is slightly tilted as it is hard to get those little things to sit straight even in the plastic or v-shaped paper holders.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/29/2008 6:36:49 PM
Author: purrfectpear

It may be just the angle of the photos, but the stone on the right looks like the culet is off center (more diamond to the right side of the stone, than to the left of the culet)? That would be my ''total laymans'' guess

good guess but I don''t think that is it, as the stone is tilted the culet appears to move too one side or the other and it isn''t perfectly lined up in any of the pictures so I think your seeing the effects of tilt.

 

[flknight]

The dealer said he has no idea of the crown height, since he''s only familiar with a crown height being given to rounds. Is there anyway I can figure it out myself, I have the GIA report but it doesn''t have the height. Also, I''m working one more photos...

Thanks for all the feedback!

 

[strmrdr]

I can get pretty close on the crown height from a side view picture.
crown height is crown height no matter what the diamond....
anyway you can see this stone in person?