House Republicans Unveil Plan to Replace Health Law

[AGBF]

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

What do you mean by this, ruby? You keep saying, in thread after thread, that this is not the finished product. This is exactly the way The Republicans, led by House Speaker Ryan, want the bill to read when it becomes law. That is why it was hidden from Senator Rand Paul.

It IS the finished product unless the Republican majority who backs it can be persuaded by pressure groups to change it!

Deb/AGBF

 

[MollyMalone]

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.
At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

What?! I remember countless forms of media reporting reporting on the debate and discussions in Congress and our society at large & the pitches made by all sorts of interested groups before and during the 2008 Presidential primaries and campaigns. That sure didn't come to a screeching halt on Inauguration Day 2009. There were then hours of public hearings, reams of written submissions to Congress, private meetings amongst Senators and Representatives, huddles with representatives of a wide variety of interests, etc.

President Obama did not put forward any legislative bill. And without getting into the weeds of the legislative history of what was eventually signed into law in late March 2010 as the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act, there were multiple bills -- with Democratic and/or Republican sponsors -- in play in the preceding months, reflecting various approaches; all underwent amendment: S. 391 (Healthy Americans Act), H.R. 3200 (America's Affordable Health Choices Act), H.R. 3590 (Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act), H.R. 3692 (the Affordable Health Care for America Act), S. 1796 (America's Healthy Future Act). So the idea that President Obama rammed through his own proposal -- "in the dark of night without input from anyone" -- is divorced from reality.

 

[lovedogs]

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

What do you mean by this, ruby? You keep saying, in thread after thread, that this is not the finished product. This is exactly the way The Republicans, led by House Speaker Ryan, want the bill to read when it becomes law. That is why it was hidden from Senator Rand Paul.

It IS the finished product unless the Republican majority who backs it can be persuaded by pressure groups to change it!

Deb/AGBF

Not to mention that the GOP is pushing to discuss, vote, etc BEFORE getting any info about cost and # of people who can be insured. That (to me) is backwards and rediculous. You can't be expected to rationally discuss anything with zero info about practical info

 

[ruby59]

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

What do you mean by this, ruby? You keep saying, in thread after thread, that this is not the finished product. This is exactly the way The Republicans, led by House Speaker Ryan, want the bill to read when it becomes law. That is why it was hidden from Senator Rand Paul.



It IS the finished product unless the Republican majority who backs it can be persuaded by pressure groups to change it!

Deb/AGBF

Try listening to Paul Ryan who is explaining that they cannot put everything they want into it because it will be filibustered. That it has to be done in 3 phases.

 

[Missy]

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.
At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

What?! I remember countless forms of media reporting reporting on the debate and discussions in Congress and our society at large & the pitches made by all sorts of interested groups before and during the 2008 Presidential primaries and campaigns. That sure didn't come to a screeching halt on Inauguration Day 2009. There were then hours of public hearings, reams of written submissions to Congress, private meetings amongst Senators and Representatives, huddles with representatives of a wide variety of interests, etc.

President Obama did not put forward any legislative bill. And without getting into the weeds of the legislative history of what was eventually signed into law in late March 2010 as the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act, there were multiple bills -- with Democratic and/or Republican sponsors -- in play in the preceding months, reflecting various approaches; all underwent amendment: S. 391 (Healthy Americans Act), H.R. 3200 (America's Affordable Health Choices Act), H.R. 3590 (Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act), H.R. 3692 (the Affordable Health Care for America Act), S. 1796 (America's Healthy Future Act). So the idea that President Obama rammed through his own proposal -- "in the dark of night without input from anyone" -- is divorced from reality.

MollyMalone! So good to see you here! I might have missed it as I am rarely reading any political threads here these days and perhaps you have been back for a while but so glad you are posting. YAY!

And as for what you wrote about being "divorced from reality". That is sadly the norm for a few select posters on PS.

 

[jaaron]

The American Medical Association as well:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ociation-opposes-gop-health-care-plan-n730741

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

This is the kind of fact-free statement that just leaves me shaking my head trying to figure out if people actually believe the things they say or whether they just... say them. Did you really manage to miss the two years of furious and raging debate before the ACA was voted into law by the house and senate?

 

[MollyMalone]

From The Volokh Conspiracy (posted last night by George Mason University's law school Prof. Ilya Somin) - a round-up of critiques to date of the current proposal from conservatives and libertarians; even those who don't consider themselves to be conservative/libertarian will probably find themselves nodding in agreement with at least some of the points:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/08/conservative-and-libertarian-health-care-experts-pan-gops-obamacare-lite-plan/

The Volokh Conspiracy is a a collective blog of primarily law school professors, chiefly (but not exclusively) libertarian or conservative in their socio-political views, that maintained its own web site until 3 years ago when it moved to the Washington Post's platform (where it exists independently of WaPo's editorial board and oversight). VC devoted much bandwidth from 2008 onwards to discussion of the health care/medical insurance issues & several of the Volokh bloggers played a large role in developing the constitutional arguments against the ACA. I used to really enjoy spending much time with VC because the informed, intelligent posts on a variety of topics and reader comments were usually intriguing, often expanded my horizons, prompted me to reflect on-reconsider my perspectives.

Since VC moved to the Washington Post web site, I'm a far less frequent patron, primarily because it now attracts lots more of the kinds of dumb, snarky, trolling comments that you find on any news web site & the WaPo's comments platform doesn't foster the more extended, conversational discussions that unfolded on the former VC web site. Still, I think VC is worth keeping an eye on, especially for further discussions of this insurance topic (and gun control), and no, you don't have to be a lawyer to understand the Conspirators' posts

P.S. for missy: Thank you for your sweet Welcome Back. I took a break from PS because my dad was dying; also because I found myself feeling "acquisitive" & thought taking a break would be helpful to diluting my "I want that... and that... and that!" I just left a response to your post from last month re long term care insurance & continuing care retirement communities.

 

[chrono]

I've missed your posts, Molly, so a hearty welcome back. I am sorry to read about your father's failing health.

 

[Matata]

Just caught a snippet of hearing where GOP lawyer admitted that the GOP repeal plan eliminates health care for those suffering mental illnesses and substance use disorders. No more federal requirement for parity. Leaving it up to states to decide whether mental illnesses and substance use disorders will be covered. Trump policy has made it easier for those folks to acquire guns. There is a domino affect to new policies that we tend to forget when we get focused only on those that we feel affect us personally.

 

[E B]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

 

[partgypsy]

If you talk with people in countries who have universal coverage (and yes this even included veterans being served by the VA), they prefer their health care over our healthcare for-profit system. Boils down to better universal coverage, motivation to provide preventative care as well as transitional care in the home for elderly, and more cost efficient. Insurance company lobbyists have spent millions to convince Americans otherwise. Basically, the way this works, the larger the pool, the lower each individual's cost. There is no larger pool than "everyone". Everyone is in, no one is out. Also with single payer the US like in other countries can negotiate to reduce drug costs. Individual insurance companies can't do this.

 

[partgypsy]

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/04/17/va-hospitals-earn-high-patient-satisfaction-scores.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160718110919.htm

 

[ruby59]

If you talk with people in countries who have universal coverage (and yes this even included veterans being served by the VA), they prefer their health care over our healthcare for-profit system. Boils down to better universal coverage, motivation to provide preventative care as well as transitional care in the home for elderly, and more cost efficient. Insurance company lobbyists have spent millions to convince Americans otherwise. Basically, the way this works, the larger the pool, the lower each individual's cost. There is no larger pool than "everyone". Everyone is in, no one is out.

We had a discussion before where I asked those in other countries to tell about their health care system.

And theirs had their own significant problems - like having to wait a really long time for a doctor's visit if it is not an emergency.

As someone with a chronic condition, I go to the doctors regularly to prevent an emergency.

 

[ruby59]

The American Medical Association as well:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ociation-opposes-gop-health-care-plan-n730741

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

This is the kind of fact-free statement that just leaves me shaking my head trying to figure out if people actually believe the things they say or whether they just... say them. Did you really manage to miss the two years of furious and raging debate before the ACA was voted into law by the house and senate?

I just did more researched and learned Republicans did have input so shame on them as well for allowing Obama Care to become law.

It has done nothing for my family but raise the deductible and cost, lower the coverage, and causing me to pay more out of pocket than ever.

Now as far as the new American Health Care, Speaker Ryan has said over and over again that this is not the final policy but how they had to get it through so it would not be filibustered.

So now, hopefully, they will find a way to lower costs.

 

[partgypsy]

If you talk with people in countries who have universal coverage (and yes this even included veterans being served by the VA), they prefer their health care over our healthcare for-profit system. Boils down to better universal coverage, motivation to provide preventative care as well as transitional care in the home for elderly, and more cost efficient. Insurance company lobbyists have spent millions to convince Americans otherwise. Basically, the way this works, the larger the pool, the lower each individual's cost. There is no larger pool than "everyone". Everyone is in, no one is out.

We had a discussion before where I asked those in other countries to tell about their health care system.

And theirs had their own significant problems - like having to wait a really long time for a doctor's visit if it is not an emergency.

As someone with a chronic condition, I go to the doctors regularly to prevent an emergency.

in my postdoc in aging we had a section on healthcare and access. From my memory single payer has more preventative care, not less. However it is true that specialty care for surgery may have longer wait times, if they are not an emergency. For example you may need to wait 8 months to get cataract surgery, where the cataracts grow slowly. It is not true for emergency care.
In most comparisons single payer does better with prenatal care, preventative care, and chronic conditions. AND- the lower the disparity in healthcare outcomes for a countries population, the overall healthier that population is. It's a win-win situation.
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2012/july/single-payer-does-not-equal-increased-wait-times

 

[ruby59]

If you talk with people in countries who have universal coverage (and yes this even included veterans being served by the VA), they prefer their health care over our healthcare for-profit system. Boils down to better universal coverage, motivation to provide preventative care as well as transitional care in the home for elderly, and more cost efficient. Insurance company lobbyists have spent millions to convince Americans otherwise. Basically, the way this works, the larger the pool, the lower each individual's cost. There is no larger pool than "everyone". Everyone is in, no one is out.

We had a discussion before where I asked those in other countries to tell about their health care system.

And theirs had their own significant problems - like having to wait a really long time for a doctor's visit if it is not an emergency.

As someone with a chronic condition, I go to the doctors regularly to prevent an emergency.

in my postdoc in aging we had a section on healthcare and access. From my memory single payer has more preventative care, not less. However it is true that specialty care for surgery may have longer wait times, if they are not an emergency. For example you may need to wait 8 months to get cataract surgery, where the cataracts grow slowly. It is not true for emergency care.
In most comparisons single payer does better with prenatal care, preventative care, and chronic conditions. AND- the lower the disparity in healthcare outcomes for a countries population, the overall healthier that population is. It's a win-win situation.

All I can add is to give you two stories by pricescope members both from Canada I believe.

One had to wait a really long time when she thought she might have had pancreatic cancer, I believe it was.

Another more recently had to wait almost a year to be seen and then have a procedure done to see if she had thyroid cancer.

 

[jaaron]

The American Medical Association as well:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ociation-opposes-gop-health-care-plan-n730741

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

This is the kind of fact-free statement that just leaves me shaking my head trying to figure out if people actually believe the things they say or whether they just... say them. Did you really manage to miss the two years of furious and raging debate before the ACA was voted into law by the house and senate?

I just did more researched and learned Republicans did have input so shame on them as well for allowing Obama Care to become law.

It has done nothing for my family but raise the deductible and cost, lower the coverage, and causing me to pay more out of pocket than ever.

Now as far as the new American Health Care, Speaker Ryan has said over and over again that this is not the final policy but how they had to get it through so it would not be filibustered.

So now, hopefully, they will find a way to lower costs.

I'm not picking on you Ruby, but I'm curious. The debate about the ACA literally raged for two years. (It's roughly based on some Republican-sponsored health care models, by the way- Romney in Mass, and one put out in the 90s by John Chafee of Rhode Island). If you were unaware that it was a fully debated, vetted and voted on piece of legislation, not something Obama slid through in the dark of night, do you ever wonder if you are in general making political decisions based on emotion and rumour rather than logic, information and fact?

In another thread you mentioned Clinton and Obama tweeting at Trump - I looked at both of Obama's twitter accounts (his and his POTUS one) and didn't see a single instance of that.

 

[jaaron]

And I meant to add- a chart on how countries stack up globally for healthcare across a number of metrics.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub.../oct/us-health-care-from-a-global-perspective

 

[ruby59]

The American Medical Association as well:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ociation-opposes-gop-health-care-plan-n730741

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

This is the kind of fact-free statement that just leaves me shaking my head trying to figure out if people actually believe the things they say or whether they just... say them. Did you really manage to miss the two years of furious and raging debate before the ACA was voted into law by the house and senate?

I just did more researched and learned Republicans did have input so shame on them as well for allowing Obama Care to become law.

It has done nothing for my family but raise the deductible and cost, lower the coverage, and causing me to pay more out of pocket than ever.

Now as far as the new American Health Care, Speaker Ryan has said over and over again that this is not the final policy but how they had to get it through so it would not be filibustered.

So now, hopefully, they will find a way to lower costs.

I'm not picking on you Ruby, but I'm curious. The debate about the ACA literally raged for two years. (It's roughly based on some Republican-sponsored health care models, by the way- Romney in Mass, and one put out in the 90s by John Chafee of Rhode Island). If you were unaware that it was a fully debated, vetted and voted on piece of legislation, not something Obama slid through in the dark of night, do you ever wonder if you are in general making political decisions based on emotion and rumour rather than logic, information and fact?

In another thread you mentioned Clinton and Obama tweeting at Trump - I looked at both of Obama's twitter accounts (his and his POTUS one) and didn't see a single instance of that.

I guess I am guilty that when something does not apply to me I do not worry about it.

I had a great policy before and Obama said I would not be affected by the new changes. Well that was a lie.

Did you see the Mrs. McCain's statement about Obama. I agree with her. And Obama himself does not have to say a word, that is what minions and lackeys are for.

 

[jaaron]

The American Medical Association as well:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ociation-opposes-gop-health-care-plan-n730741

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

This is the kind of fact-free statement that just leaves me shaking my head trying to figure out if people actually believe the things they say or whether they just... say them. Did you really manage to miss the two years of furious and raging debate before the ACA was voted into law by the house and senate?

I just did more researched and learned Republicans did have input so shame on them as well for allowing Obama Care to become law.

It has done nothing for my family but raise the deductible and cost, lower the coverage, and causing me to pay more out of pocket than ever.

Now as far as the new American Health Care, Speaker Ryan has said over and over again that this is not the final policy but how they had to get it through so it would not be filibustered.

So now, hopefully, they will find a way to lower costs.

I'm not picking on you Ruby, but I'm curious. The debate about the ACA literally raged for two years. (It's roughly based on some Republican-sponsored health care models, by the way- Romney in Mass, and one put out in the 90s by John Chafee of Rhode Island). If you were unaware that it was a fully debated, vetted and voted on piece of legislation, not something Obama slid through in the dark of night, do you ever wonder if you are in general making political decisions based on emotion and rumour rather than logic, information and fact?

In another thread you mentioned Clinton and Obama tweeting at Trump - I looked at both of Obama's twitter accounts (his and his POTUS one) and didn't see a single instance of that.

I guess I am guilty that when something does not apply to me I do not worry about it.

I had a great policy before and Obama said I would not be affected by the new changes. Well that was a lie.

Did you see the Mrs. McCain's statement about Obama. I agree with her. And Obama himself does not have to say a word, that is what minions and lackeys are for.

I think you mean Meghan McCain not Mrs. McCain? She said something nasty about him and vowed support for Trump based on, um, well basically nothing except opinion and the desire to be hired by television? Interesting, as her father doesn't seem to be a big Trump supporter, and in fact, has spoken openly about that fact. But that's exactly what I mean- her saying Obama is going to 'be the most bitter -ex-president ever' isn't based on any facts. It's just someone shooting her mouth off and you're basing an opinion on that? And as for Obama not having to say a word: can you even begin to imagine Trump's reaction if someone had said about him what he said about Obama?

As for your health insurance. I agree, the ACA was not a godsend for everyone, although the original bill probably would have dealt with a lot of the issues people have run into (although I can't say for sure-- it's hard to know). The constant watering down of the original legislation had a very deleterious effect, and the truth is that as long as health insurance exists as a for profit model, reducing costs will be problematic. Additionally, states that refused to expand Medicare lost federal funds and insurance costs were higher in those states (don't know if that applies in your situation).

Interestingly, now that it's down to the wire, an awful lot of governors want their states to keep the ACA.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...state-governors-suddenly-got-cold-cold-about-

 

[ruby59]

The American Medical Association as well:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ociation-opposes-gop-health-care-plan-n730741

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

This is the kind of fact-free statement that just leaves me shaking my head trying to figure out if people actually believe the things they say or whether they just... say them. Did you really manage to miss the two years of furious and raging debate before the ACA was voted into law by the house and senate?

I just did more researched and learned Republicans did have input so shame on them as well for allowing Obama Care to become law.

It has done nothing for my family but raise the deductible and cost, lower the coverage, and causing me to pay more out of pocket than ever.

Now as far as the new American Health Care, Speaker Ryan has said over and over again that this is not the final policy but how they had to get it through so it would not be filibustered.

So now, hopefully, they will find a way to lower costs.

I'm not picking on you Ruby, but I'm curious. The debate about the ACA literally raged for two years. (It's roughly based on some Republican-sponsored health care models, by the way- Romney in Mass, and one put out in the 90s by John Chafee of Rhode Island). If you were unaware that it was a fully debated, vetted and voted on piece of legislation, not something Obama slid through in the dark of night, do you ever wonder if you are in general making political decisions based on emotion and rumour rather than logic, information and fact?

In another thread you mentioned Clinton and Obama tweeting at Trump - I looked at both of Obama's twitter accounts (his and his POTUS one) and didn't see a single instance of that.

I guess I am guilty that when something does not apply to me I do not worry about it.

I had a great policy before and Obama said I would not be affected by the new changes. Well that was a lie.

Did you see the Mrs. McCain's statement about Obama. I agree with her. And Obama himself does not have to say a word, that is what minions and lackeys are for.

I think you mean Meghan McCain not Mrs. McCain? She said something nasty about him and vowed support for Trump based on, um, well basically nothing except opinion and the desire to be hired by television? Interesting, as her father doesn't seem to be a big Trump supporter, and in fact, has spoken openly about that fact. But that's exactly what I mean- her saying Obama is going to 'be the most bitter -ex-president ever' isn't based on any facts. It's just someone shooting her mouth off and you're basing an opinion on that? And as for Obama not having to say a word: can you even begin to imagine Trump's reaction if someone had said about him what he said about Obama?

As for your health insurance. I agree, the ACA was not a godsend for everyone, although the original bill probably would have dealt with a lot of the issues people have run into (although I can't say for sure-- it's hard to know). The constant watering down of the original legislation had a very deleterious effect, and the truth is that as long as health insurance exists as a for profit model, reducing costs will be problematic. Additionally, states that refused to expand Medicare lost federal funds and insurance costs were higher in those states (don't know if that applies in your situation).

Interestingly, now that it's down to the wire, an awful lot of governors want their states to keep the ACA.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...state-governors-suddenly-got-cold-cold-about-

Regarding the bolded, read my previous posts. I already felt that way. She is just affirming that.

And if you have been following my posts, I am hoping once and for all someone confiscated his phone. I have never said Trump was the most eloquent person there is.

The biggest problem I had with ObamaCare was he lied that those who had policies they liked could keep them.

And I wonder if those that no longer qualified for large subsidies would still want it.

It was better than nothing if you were paying practically nothing for it.

It was garbage if you were overpaying.

 

[jaaron]

The American Medical Association as well:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ociation-opposes-gop-health-care-plan-n730741

Why should it matter when it is not the finished product but just the way they had to go about doing it to get it past so they could then collaborate on it further.

At least he is not doing what Obama did, and that is pass it in the dark of night without any input from any one.

This is the kind of fact-free statement that just leaves me shaking my head trying to figure out if people actually believe the things they say or whether they just... say them. Did you really manage to miss the two years of furious and raging debate before the ACA was voted into law by the house and senate?

I just did more researched and learned Republicans did have input so shame on them as well for allowing Obama Care to become law.

It has done nothing for my family but raise the deductible and cost, lower the coverage, and causing me to pay more out of pocket than ever.

Now as far as the new American Health Care, Speaker Ryan has said over and over again that this is not the final policy but how they had to get it through so it would not be filibustered.

So now, hopefully, they will find a way to lower costs.

I'm not picking on you Ruby, but I'm curious. The debate about the ACA literally raged for two years. (It's roughly based on some Republican-sponsored health care models, by the way- Romney in Mass, and one put out in the 90s by John Chafee of Rhode Island). If you were unaware that it was a fully debated, vetted and voted on piece of legislation, not something Obama slid through in the dark of night, do you ever wonder if you are in general making political decisions based on emotion and rumour rather than logic, information and fact?

In another thread you mentioned Clinton and Obama tweeting at Trump - I looked at both of Obama's twitter accounts (his and his POTUS one) and didn't see a single instance of that.

I guess I am guilty that when something does not apply to me I do not worry about it.

I had a great policy before and Obama said I would not be affected by the new changes. Well that was a lie.

Did you see the Mrs. McCain's statement about Obama. I agree with her. And Obama himself does not have to say a word, that is what minions and lackeys are for.

I think you mean Meghan McCain not Mrs. McCain? She said something nasty about him and vowed support for Trump based on, um, well basically nothing except opinion and the desire to be hired by television? Interesting, as her father doesn't seem to be a big Trump supporter, and in fact, has spoken openly about that fact. But that's exactly what I mean- her saying Obama is going to 'be the most bitter -ex-president ever' isn't based on any facts. It's just someone shooting her mouth off and you're basing an opinion on that? And as for Obama not having to say a word: can you even begin to imagine Trump's reaction if someone had said about him what he said about Obama?

As for your health insurance. I agree, the ACA was not a godsend for everyone, although the original bill probably would have dealt with a lot of the issues people have run into (although I can't say for sure-- it's hard to know). The constant watering down of the original legislation had a very deleterious effect, and the truth is that as long as health insurance exists as a for profit model, reducing costs will be problematic. Additionally, states that refused to expand Medicare lost federal funds and insurance costs were higher in those states (don't know if that applies in your situation).

Interestingly, now that it's down to the wire, an awful lot of governors want their states to keep the ACA.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...state-governors-suddenly-got-cold-cold-about-

Regarding the bolded, read my previous posts. I already felt that way. She is just affirming that.

And if you have been following my posts, I am hoping once and for all someone confiscated his phone. I have never said Trump was the most eloquent person there is.

The biggest problem I had with ObamaCare was he lied that those who had policies they liked could keep them.

And I wonder if those that no longer qualified for large subsidies would still want it.

It was better than nothing if you were paying practically nothing for it.

It was garbage if you were overpaying.

Yes, but she's affirming, as in agreeing with an opinion you already hold, not confirming, as in, backing it up with facts. That's fine. We all look for opinions that agree with what we believe. But the facts are that, like Obama or not, his behaviour when compared with Trump's is a model of dignity and etiquette. I can only imagine the reaction if someone had gone after Trump with eight years of lies (birth certificate) and then capped it off with accusing him of a felony. He would have gone apeshit.

I agree that telling people they could keep their doctors was one of Obama's worst moments. I think they believed that at the outset and then as the legislation unfolded and changed it became impossible and they weren't honest about it. I hope you're happy with what you end up with under the new plan, but, frankly, I'm going to be pretty surprised if it does anything good for people already struggling under the ACA.

And, sorry - I didn't understand the bolded line?