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Hey folks,

Long time lurker, first time poster. Just wondering if anybody could provide their opinions on the following diamond?

0.9 carat, G colour, VS2 clarity, Excellent cut (GIA certified), with excellent polish, excellent symmetry, and a light/faint fluorescence.

Depth: 62.2%
Table: 55%
Crown Angle: 35.0°
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Star Length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

I believe I'm getting a pretty decent price on this diamond, and the light return by my research seems to be excellent. I believe the HCA is a 1.5, if memory serves me. Also wondering what the orange spec in the top right of the diamond photo is. Lastly, is what's in the top left of the diamond imperfections, or is that just something with the photograph?

Any help is appreciated!

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I think it looks great!
 
gorgeous
 
Ah, that's a relief! Do you guys think the diamond will shine and look beautiful?

I added a question in the end of my post, didn't see you folks had responded. The imperfections shouldn't be visible at all (the picture is at 50x, I'm assuming)? I noticed them in the upper left of the diamond photo, as well as the orange on the rightish side. The GIA cert says "Crystal, Cloud" under clarity.
 
No doubt this diamond will shine and sparkle. Round diamond, excellent cut grade - you've got the ingredients for a brilliant diamond. The crystal and the cloud shouldn't be an issue unless they totally blew the clarity grading. Doubt it.
 
Very nice stone...
Yes there is a crystal which is visible in the above image which could be a 20X or a 40X zoom.
However there is not concern over this as the diamond is white and makes the diamond stand out.
 
Nice stone! The orange spec looks like a color reflection to me.
 
I agree the spec is reflection, it cant be located in any of the other images. At this weight it would be extremely unlikely that you could see an inclusion with the naked eye. It looks like a gorgeous stone, I cant wait to see RL pics of it set. =)
 
So, I picked up the diamond today and had it appraised. As soon as I took the stone out she said it was beautiful, and reflects light really well. On to the appraisal: she had said it was an H colour (face up white, however), SI1, and a VG cut, which was a little disappointing to learn. She said she's more conservative, and will bump down if she's on the fence. I'm kind of disappointed, as I was hoping it wouldn't be close enough to be even close to considered an SI2. Apparently, though, I got a steal of a deal, and paid about $500 less than she thought it was "worth" (her estimated sale price, not the inflated appraised value) - for the price (even if I paid $500 more), she said I could not find a nicer stone. I looked at the diamond under the 10x loupe and there was an inclusion in the middle of the table, which is weird because I can't see it in the enlarged photos above.

I think I'm okay with it, even if it was an H/SI1/VG/E/E diamond as it looks extremely beautiful in person, and the inclusions aren't even close to visible.
 
Sorry, I can't edit my posts?

I was also curious to know about the HCA. I read somewhere that HCA was used to narrow the larger spread GIA Excellent cut grade (whereas AGS ideal is a tighter category). This stone (GIA triple E) came back as 1.5, yet the appraiser said he thought it was a very good cut. I know the HCA is just a guiding tool, but wouldn't the score of 1.5 indicate that it would surely be an excellent cut opposed to a very good cut?

Thanks guys (and gals)!
 
GIA graded it excellent cut, so the appraiser should have told you where they disagreed with GIA. The idealscope and ASET images looks excellent. I think it is on the appraiser to explain where it fails to be excellent.
 
Yeah, she said where she is on the fence she goes down rather than up. Maybe I will take the diamond back and ask for some clarification (was my first diamond appraisal, I was just focused on not letting the diamond leave my sight!) and see what she says.

The colour, as with the SI1 difference, I'm less worried about (she said depending on the appraiser, it could be a G/VS2 or an H/SI1 - she was adamant about being on the conservative side, though), because it looks white and is eye clean from however I looked at it. I also had trouble locating it with the loupe, but she had no problem apparently.

I also get a free (independent, arms length from the jeweller) appraisal with my setting, so I'll see what they have to say later this month. I just wanted an appraisal in case I had to return the diamond or something - I care less about the "appraised value" than the quality of the diamond at this point. :)
 
I will just say that in my experience in buying diamonds, the "appraisal" that comes with the stone is almost always inflated. I try to insure with the sales receipt if possible. GIA is known to be about the strictest in color grading of all the labs, but every color grade is a range. So it is very common for an appraiser to be one grade off. However, you would never want to use an appraisal for insurance purposes that lowers the color and clarity of the stone! You want it covered as what the GIA report says it is. So in a way, that appraisal isn't really going to do you any good for insurance purposes.

I really think you have no worries. The stone looks great in the images and you have a grading report that says it is excellent and your eyes apparently think it is beautiful! I am sure it is!
 
Thanks for your help! She (GIA and CJA certified) appraised it as if it was exactly what the GIA cert says, so that's not an issue. At least, that's what the appraisal form says, but I'm not sure if that's how the cost was derived (something about a value, marked up 20% for US currency future value or something to that effect). I had just asked her to tell me what she thought of the diamond, to ensure I got what I paid for, prior to her appraising the diamond.

I understand the ones that come with the sales are hyper inflated, because they want to demonstrate that "I got a killer deal", however I bought my stone elsewhere, and my setting has a set price, and it is getting appraised out of house (I will be there to chat with the appraiser) at a certified appraisers office. I'll use this appraisal as a free second opinion on the stone, and I'll use the first appraisal (I will take my ring back, free of charge, after it's been set) for insurance purposes.

I'm hoping the GIA cert is more accurate than her opinion (or else, what's their standard really worth?), but like you said, she explained that clarity and colour are a range, and I'd be closer to the bottom of a G/VS2, and that different appraisers will have different eyes (for colour and clarity).

I appreciate all the help - you folks have been great thus far. Like I said, I'm less concerned about what the paper says, and more concerned how nice the stone looks - and in my limited experience/knowledge, I think it's beautiful (as did the appraiser as soon as she saw it).

edit: I realized I never said anything about this, but the SARIN report for the diamond has the proportion grade as 0 (ideal) as well. Not sure what that means, but I'm guessing it's positive. :)
 
I don't think you need to pay for two appraisals if that is what you meant. As long as this one was willing to affirm what is on the GIA report and can recheck it after it is set to add the setting, I don't see any reason at all to get another appraisal. But maybe I am misunderstanding.
 
They throw that one in for free - it comes as a "goodwill gesture" when you buy a setting/have it set with them. A free opinion isn't half bad, I suppose.

However, they want $150 (which I've been told is highway robbery) to set the diamond, so I'm trying to look elsewhere to have the diamond set, and if that's the case the second appraisal will be foregone. It's an 8-prong setting, and the jeweller said if I can find it cheaper then go for it but it's a setting that should be set properly, and this is a prime example when "cheaper" isn't always better. Decisions, decisions.

Thanks for the tips. You've been so helpful thus far!
 
mdot|1355340701|3329590 said:
They throw that one in for free - it comes as a "goodwill gesture" when you buy a setting/have it set with them. A free opinion isn't half bad, I suppose.

However, they want $150 (which I've been told is highway robbery) to set the diamond, so I'm trying to look elsewhere to have the diamond set, and if that's the case the second appraisal will be foregone. It's an 8-prong setting, and the jeweller said if I can find it cheaper then go for it but it's a setting that should be set properly, and this is a prime example when "cheaper" isn't always better. Decisions, decisions.

Thanks for the tips. You've been so helpful thus far!
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Let the setting seller set the diamond. If they mess up, they'd have to replace the setting. I would not involve a third jeweler in setting a ring.
 
Good point! I didn't think of that aspect of it. They are sending it off to have it set by a "specialist", but any damage to the setting would have to be covered by them. I just had to get my diamond insured prior to setting, which I did.

Thanks!
 
no worry. this is a very well cut stone!!... :love:
 
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