Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince Me!

[shortee78]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

I think we all have a limit, and my personal limit is H color. For others, I will recommend I color when size is of higher importance than color, and also J. But I already said that I think that is the cut off unless someone has specifically seen and chosen a color below the near colorless range. All ideal cut stones are beautiful, but you have to be okay with the tint in stones below I.

Have you seen this? http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/Color/NearColorless/

Because I think it is the best color comparison on the web.

Congrats on being accepted to med school! Just remember that someday for an anniversary you can put this diamond in a pendant and get her a larger diamond ring as a special anniversary gift if you want! I'd just go for the best quality that you can get now and worry about larger diamonds later in life!

Wow I never saw that page before, Diamondseeker. It's laid out in a really easy-to-understand way. Thanks for posting it!

 

[NeedaRockSoon]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

So...

I sent my check in the mail (to avoid wire fees) and BGD received it. Just waiting for it to clear and them to send me the I color "Blue" that I'm looking forward to. I cruised over to the diamond again to marvel at its images and report when I go to click on the actual report on the AGS website and see that it's NOT an AGS Ideal cut, but rather an AGS Excellent Cut. My jaw dropped!

The BGD website it says "Lab Cut Grade: IDEAL" in at least two different places for this diamond. I'm really disappointed. I know I should have looked at the actual report on the AGS website but I didn't think that BGD would put IDEAL for cut grade when it certainly is NOT! ** I already knew about the Polish being excellent**.

Now comes the questions: Does an excellent rating in the polish automatically drop the Cut grade down from Ideal or are these separate? What should I do? Should I ask for a refund, try to get some kind of discount, or look for a new diamond? This one was great for me, budget and mind-clean wise...

The ASET and IdealScope pictures look great and I was really, really looking forward to this diamond.. now I'm having second thoughts.

Please help.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.006-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104052029004

 

[vintagelover229]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

That stone is going to BLOW YOU AWAY. I have an almost ideal cut (which is ideal cut by many standards) and it's the sparkiest thing I've ever seen and I have no doubt that your stone is cut better than mine since mine was cut in the 1930's.


Really-I wouldn't worry about it. Wait to see it in person before freaking out to much-THEN if it's not right I would say something.

However if it bothers you that much (it's a lot of money so it's normal to freak out a bit after you pull the trigger) though just call up Brian and Lesley and ask them about it. They are great (I've met them both in person) and will be 100% honest with you. But really-it looks like a fantastic stone and it's going to blow most stones right out of the water (most people don't walk around with heart and arrow stones) you're lady is going to love it!

 

[kenny]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Probably one atom of carbon is out of place.

 

[slg47]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

the overall grade is 1 because the polish is 1 (excellent) instead of 0 (ideal). the light performance grade is still ideal.

 

[Lula]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

A better way for BGD to list it might have been "AGS 001 - Ideal" Or "AGS Ideal - Cut 0, Symmetry 0, Polish 1" but most people don't look at the numbers that closely anyway. Each diamond is different, even among AGS 000 diamonds. Make sure you take the time to evaluate it under a variety of lighting conditions, and don't be afraid to return it if you're not 100% happy with it.

 

[atp223]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

I don't actually have my ring yet, as my BF has not proposed to me yet, but the diamond we got from BGD also had "very good" instead of "excellent" polish, and therefore had a cut "score" of 1. I can't speak to how it looks in real life, but he seems thrilled with it. The light performance is still 0, same as yours. When picking our diamond, I read this blurb: http://www.truthaboutdiamonds.com/truth-about/diamond-polish/ and felt good about going the "very good" route for polish. Your stone is still ideal cut in terms of light performance, so don't worry. They VG polish just seems to knock the price down a bit, without causing any noticeable effects. I think it's a win!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

the overall grade is 1 because the polish is 1 (excellent) instead of 0 (ideal). the light performance grade is still ideal.

Yes! That is all it is! My daughter got engaged last year and her diamond was the exact same grade except from WF. Those stones have a discount because of that Excellent on polish, but really, that is something you cannot see! Excellent is still...excellent!

So I wouldn't worry about that for a minute! Your stone really is ideal cut.

 

[NeedaRockSoon]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Ok great thank you guys.. that's what I needed to hear. Now re-excited to get it in the mail soon

 

[NeedaRockSoon]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Just picked up the diamond today: total stunner. It blew me away like someone posted above. It was gorgeous. I didn't have much time to play with it before I hid it away from the lucky woman, but I promise pictures in the near future.

Anyway, we went shopping for a setting and she has decided on the Verragio Venetian #5003 setting in white gold. There's two places that sell it nearby: One's a local family owned jeweler (Unicorn Jewelry) and one is a big name chain (Robbin's Brothers). Both are Verragio VP Boutique resellers. I don't trust either of these places to be honest. So I'm left with two choices:

1) Purchase the setting at the store and have them set the loose diamond for me (any concerns here? I heard commonly they won't insure the loose against damage while setting because I didn't purchase from them?)

2) Purchase the setting, shipping the loose + the setting back to Brian Gavin (or another reputable jeweler) and have them set it and ship it back. I'm not even sure if this is a possible option.

Please advise Thank you all again for your wisdom.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

I would call BGD and see if they can help you order the Verragio setting.

I don't know that mount, does it have a lot of pave? Before you order it I recommend that you place you diamond into a similar mount in person to make sure you are happy with the diamond color next to the melee. I personally did not like how my own K colro stone looked with smaller pave type mellee, I liked it better alone, so a good plan to check before you commit to a pricey setting.

 

[atp223]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Dreamer - I think the op ended up buying an "I". Do you still think the contrast between an I and the melee will be a big deal? I ask bc that is what my ring is (that I am not allowed to see, much to my chagrin) - an I colored bgd blue w a novela pave band...should I be worried??

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Dreamer - I think the op ended up buying an "I". Do you still think the contrast between an I and the melee will be a big deal? I ask bc that is what my ring is (that I am not allowed to see, much to my chagrin) - an I colored bgd blue w a novela pave band...should I be worried??

Not Dreamer, but I think it will be fine honey.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Yay!!!! I am so glad you loved it!!! Best case scenario is letting Brian Gavin set the stone. I agree with Dreamer that you should ask them if they can order a Verragio setting. If not, then I would take the diamond to the family owned jeweler. I would also call Jeweler's Mutual and find out how to insure the stone and ring prior to setting. This is extremely important especially if BG is not the one to set the stone just on the slight chance the stone could be damaged in setting or something.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Dreamer - I think the op ended up buying an "I". Do you still think the contrast between an I and the melee will be a big deal? I ask bc that is what my ring is (that I am not allowed to see, much to my chagrin) - an I colored bgd blue w a novela pave band...should I be worried??

Not Dreamer, but I think it will be fine honey.

Whoops, teaches me not to catch up totally

There is *always* a contrast between a larger stone and melee. Smaller little diamonds handle light differently than bigger stones. In particular, smaller stones don't really show any body color, because they are so small the impression you get is just "white" from their light return. Larger diamonds have more contast and patterns of light and reflect environmental colors more, making them look just plain different than little bitty diamonds. Every person is different in how they feel about that contrast in appearance. Some people don't even notice it at all! Probably most people don't notice it. But *if* you have a diamond that is a little warmer, and *if* you are not a fan of its tint then you may notice that the stone shows more body color when the contast with the melee is present than when the main diamond is on its own without any "white" melee present as a color contrast. Myself, Yssie, and LGK all noticed this with our I/J/K/M color stones. But is this a problem for you? I don't think so. Even if you are very persnickety an I color stone is fairly colorless, much much less tinted than a K. So I would not worry if I were you

 

[NeedaRockSoon]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Well, I don't really have much say in the setting unfortunately. I got to pick the diamond; she gets to pick the setting She's totally in love with this Venetian setting, and looking at the BGD "I" that I just received, it should fit well with the pave. This diamond has so much brilliance/scintillation... but actually the setting is not pave. They are prong-set melee (does that matter much? It pretty much looks like pave to me, but the lady at the Robbins Bros said it's not the same).

I'll contact Brian Gavin next week to see if they can do Verragio!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

I wouldn't worry about I color at all. So what if there is a little contrast? It will be absolutely gorgeous!!! Just remember the part about getting stone and setting insured in advance if you go with the family jeweler for the setting. Sometimes vendors can access a setting from a designer they do not stock but sometimes they can't.

 

[milton333]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Re: insurance and getting the diamond set at a different vendor. There's always a risk (a very small risk) that a stone could be damaged during the setting process. The people who sell you the stone are insured and are selling you a big ticket item - if they also sell you the setting, it's customary for them to set the diamond in the setting without any other charges or insurance issues. If you have the person who sells you the setting set a diamond purchased elsewhere, you're asking them to take on the risk of damage to a stone that is probably far more valuable than the setting. Most vendors won't do that, and will ask you to either insure the stone yourself, or sign a waiver. You can get insurance pretty cheaply from a place like Jewelers Mutual, but they don't usually want to insure loose stones, so you may need to talk to someone to clarify that the stone will be set and the insurance is necessary for the setting process. I wouldn't personally waive the risk of damage.

 

[NeedaRockSoon]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Hey All,

It's been a few months since I last posted and I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who commented. I proposed last weekend and I've included a picture of the ring on her hand.

Brian Gavin Blue 1.006ct Round Brilliant "I" Color VS2 set in Verragio 5003 Venetian setting. She loves it. It's very white from the top, and has a very very slight "buttery" tinge from the side, but you can't really tell unless you're looking for it intently. The ring is a tiny bit too small (4.5) size. It sits snuggly on her finger, but kills her when she's trying to get it over the knuckle. Her hands also puff up during the night and she wants to sleep with it on, so I'm going back to the jeweler to see if they can increase the size by 1/4 (0.25) bigger.

The floro is also very cool to look at in the direct sunlight. Adds a small amount of "uniqueness" to the diamond and we both enjoy the blue color in the diamond on occasion.


Again, thank you everyone

 

[tyty333]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Its gorgeous! Congratulations on your engagement!

 

[LibbyLA]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

It's a gorgeous ring.

But you probably ought to convince her not to sleep with it on! It will be a lot safer in a ring box than on her hand while she's asleep and it's not like she can enjoy looking at it while she's sleeping.

liz

 

[Laila619]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Beautiful ring!! Congratulations!

Yes, tell her not to sleep in it though.

 

[OCmom3xboys]

Re: Hesitant on BGD Blue K Color Round Brilliant.. Convince

Congratulations! Beautiful ring

I feel for her on the finger swelling issue, I have the same problem and I now take my rings off every night. See if you can have it sized bigger and put on sizing balls, it helped me a lot.