Hermain Cain died of Covid

[whitewave]

He was also in remission for cancer, but he attended Trump’s rally and didn’t wear a mask and then was diagnosed with Covid.

 

[AGBF]

May he rest in peace.

 

[redwood66]

RIP Mr. Cain.

 

[MMtwo]

RIP

 

[Queenie60]

May he rest in peace.

 

[Musia]

Rest in peace, extremely sad he didn't recover.

 

[GlitterInMyHair]

He tweeted this (AFTER he tested posivite for Covid), praising Trump for holding another rally without masks. (The tweet has been deleted since his death.)



So...

 

[OoohShiny]

He tweeted this (AFTER he tested posivite for Covid), praising Trump for holding another rally without masks. (The tweet has been deleted since his death.)



So...

Alternatively, an individual assessed the possible consequences of his decisions and chose an action with which he was comfortable, accepting that life is full of risk

 

[redwood66]

The reveling I see online by pathetic twits is disgusting but expected.

 

[AGBF]

Alternatively, an individual assessed the possible consequences of his decisions and chose an action with which he was comfortable, accepting that life is full of risk

No.The mask would have stopped him from spreading covid19 to others. That is why many places mandate masks rather than making masks a choice: because not wearing a mask has an impact on other people. It is not like wearing a helmet or a seat belt. One has the right to extend his fist as far as where another person's nose begins. Personal liberty is not limitless.

 

[AGBF]

The reveling I see online by pathetic twits is disgusting but expected.

I hope you do not mean here. I do not believe one should speak ill of the dead.

 

[Dancing Fire]

A black conservative is a rare find...RIP Mr. Cain. We need millions more black conservatives like H. Cain.

 

[OoohShiny]

No.The mask would have stopped him from spreading covid19 to others. That is why many places mandate masks rather than making masks a choice: because not wearing a mask has an impact on other people. It is not like wearing a helmet or a seat belt. One has the right to extend his fist as far as where another person's nose begins. Personal liberty is not limitless.

If all the other people attending the event were also exercising their own agency and attending voluntarily, weren't all parties present equal in their approach and therefore willing to accept the risks to themselves?

Either way, the evidence on mask wearing still appears to inconclusive, from what I've read. The rise in cases in Spain and Australia and other places where masks are mandated seems to indicate that the virus will find a way to do its thing, whatever our efforts are to delay it!

 

[Matata]

Either way, the evidence on mask wearing still appears to inconclusive, from what I've read. The rise in cases in Spain and Australia and other places where masks are mandated seems to indicate that the virus will find a way to do its thing, whatever our efforts are to delay it!

The evidence on the effectiveness of masks in slowing spread of coronavirus is solid. The evidence that not wearing masks increases the spread is solid. The surge in Spain is due, per their government, to young people not wearing masks and not practicing social distancing. In Victoria, Australia I've seen reports of illegal socializing as one cause of the surge in cases. So where ever you look, it's abundantly clear that cases increase when people do not follow mask wearing and social distancing guidelines.

 

[qubitasaurus]

If all the other people attending the event were also exercising their own agency and attending voluntarily, weren't all parties present equal in their approach and therefore willing to accept the risks to themselves?

Either way, the evidence on mask wearing still appears to inconclusive, from what I've read. The rise in cases in Spain and Australia and other places where masks are mandated seems to indicate that the virus will find a way to do its thing, whatever our efforts are to delay it!

I'm afraid Australia only recently mandated them and only in certain places -- and there is great fear that this move came far too late.

I dont know abour spain, but if I could trade America's coronavirus case trajectory for spains (without the white house needing to block the statistics from being diseminated to the cdc) then I definitely would do so.

Mask addoption came early and was wide spread in the asian countries -- these are the ones to look at. Unfortunately Japan has had a fresh wave as US military troops seem to have reimported and spread the virus (and it appears Japan has no way to stop them breaking their quarentine. They refused to quarentine, did not declare that they'd come in from overseas, and held large 4th of July parties which has created a vigorous surge of new cases in Japan). So maybe dont look at Japan.

 

[jaaron]

Not only are masks effective, there is growing evidence that wearing a mask can help reduce the severity of the illness if you do get it as it reduce the viral load.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-21/masks-help-avoid-major-illness-coronavirus

Regardless, I was very sorry to hear about Mr Cain and send good thoughts to his family.

 

[jaaron]

If all the other people attending the event were also exercising their own agency and attending voluntarily, weren't all parties present equal in their approach and therefore willing to accept the risks to themselves?

Either way, the evidence on mask wearing still appears to inconclusive, from what I've read. The rise in cases in Spain and Australia and other places where masks are mandated seems to indicate that the virus will find a way to do its thing, whatever our efforts are to delay it!

That's really not quite the whole picture. Because those people exercising their agency voluntarily will then come into contact with others (family members) who have not given consent and can easily spread it while pre-symptomatic or as asymptomatic carriers.

 

[Arcadian]

A black conservative is a rare find...RIP Mr. Cain. We need millions more black conservatives like H. Cain.

In general I have no issue with black republicans, I know plenty. I used to be one before I flipped to Libertarian. But him? They say don't speak ill of the dead. so Imma shut my mouth...lol What I think can't be said in polite company.

 

[Missy]

Either way, the evidence on mask wearing still appears to inconclusive, from what I've read. The rise in cases in Spain and Australia and other places where masks are mandated seems to indicate that the virus will find a way to do its thing, whatever our efforts are to delay it!

Then you need to expand your reading @OoohShiny. Or you just refuse to comprehend the evidence.
Either way what you think doesn't matter. There is tangible proof masks help slow the spread of Covid 19. And as @jaaron writes there is proof it also helps lessen the severity of the disease by reducing the viral load.

 

[doberman]

@Arcadian

I read you loud and clear and I agree - I will not speak ill of the dead.

 

[Sunstorm]

Here masks are still mandated but it has become much loser. Problem is no one is disinfecting hands. They did during the quarantine. We have not had a bad situation to begin with and no second wave in almost two months. If you ask me it is only a matter of time due to how stupid people are acting like nothing happened before, there never was Covid and there never will be again. People probably laugh because I do gloves, all the time disinfecting. I bought industrial quantities of the best spray liquids I prefer. So you can wear a mask, if you are touching surfaces and not disinfecting, you are in trouble. I spray and even bleach everything even purses when I get home. I do not go out too much. Am very careful. I use laundry disinfectant with each wash and change clothes each time. Better go all the way. Masks are not enough at all!

 

[caf]

I'm afraid Australia only recently mandated them and only in certain places -- and there is great fear that this move came far too late.

I dont know abour spain, but if I could trade America's coronavirus case trajectory for spains (without the white house needing to block the statistics from being diseminated to the cdc) then I definitely would do so.

Mask addoption came early and was wide spread in the asian countries -- these are the ones to look at. Unfortunately Japan has had a fresh wave as US military troops seem to have reimported and spread the virus (and it appears Japan has no way to stop them breaking their quarentine. They refused to quarentine, did not declare that they'd come in from overseas, and held large 4th of July parties which has created a vigorous surge of new cases in Japan). So maybe dont look at Japan.

@ ooohs

Then you need to expand your reading @OoohShiny. Or you just refuse to comprehend the evidence.
Either way what you think doesn't matter. There is tangible proof masks help slow the spread of Covid 19. And as @jaaron writes there is proof it also helps lessen the severity of the disease by reducing the viral load.

^ This. @OoohShiny please please read the peer reviewed SCIENCE. A mask could save your life.

 

[Calliecake]

@OoohShiny , Please quit spreading false information. It’s irresponsible to do so. Why do you continue to say wearing masks does not help stop the spread of the virus when the evidence states otherwise? If you don’t care about your own life please be considerate enough to care about others.


@Bayek , I hope you are feeling ok and your pain is manageable. Thinking of you.

 

[OoohShiny]

@OoohShiny , Please quit spreading false information. It’s irresponsible to do so. Why do you continue to say wearing masks does not help stop the spread of the virus when the evidence states otherwise? If you don’t care about your own life please be considerate enough to care about others.

To quote myself and add bolding for clarity:

If all the other people attending the event were also exercising their own agency and attending voluntarily, weren't all parties present equal in their approach and therefore willing to accept the risks to themselves?

Either way, the evidence on mask wearing still appears to inconclusive, from what I've read. The rise in cases in Spain and Australia and other places where masks are mandated seems to indicate that the virus will find a way to do its thing, whatever our efforts are to delay it!

I don't believe the above definitively states that 'wearing masks does not help stop the spread of the virus', or is 'false information'.


I have not read that much into the science yet, I have other important things on my mind and To Do list right now, but this forum and many others are debating how effective they are. That level of debate, to me, appears to indicate that the science is not yet fully settled.

I, of course, reserve the right to change or affirm my position upon review of available information, but at this moment in time I feel (and fear) that there is a high level of peer pressure being seen on the wider internet to 'conform' and 'just wear a mask' while the science is still developing. The discussion also seems to be developing to be highly political and highly polarised, especially in America, and science should, arguably, stand on its own two feet and not be used for political purposes.

Personally speaking I am very data driven, more so than by emotional aspects. That might be why I am, at this moment in time, not yet committed to one viewpoint or the other - be it because I have not had the time to read enough or because the firm empirical evidence is not yet out there.

 

[caf]

To quote myself and add bolding for clarity:



I don't believe the above definitively states that 'wearing masks does not help stop the spread of the virus', or is 'false information'.


I have not read that much into the science yet, I have other important things on my mind and To Do list right now, but this forum and many others are debating how effective they are. That level of debate, to me, appears to indicate that the science is not yet fully settled.

I, of course, reserve the right to change or affirm my position upon review of available information, but at this moment in time I feel (and fear) that there is a high level of peer pressure being seen on the wider internet to 'conform' and 'just wear a mask' while the science is still developing. The discussion also seems to be developing to be highly political and highly polarised, especially in America, and science should, arguably, stand on its own two feet and not be used for political purposes.

Personally speaking I am very data driven, more so than by emotional aspects. That might be why I am, at this moment in time, not yet committed to one viewpoint or the other - be it because I have not had the time to read enough or because the firm empirical evidence is not yet out there.

Please read:

Time for Universal Masking and Prevention of Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

In this issue of JAMA, Wang et al present evidence that universal masking of health care workers (HCWs) and patients can help reduce transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections.1 In the largest health care system in Massachusetts with more than 75 000...

jamanetwork.com

here’s the underlying JAMA article:

Association Between Universal Masking and SARS-CoV-2 Positivity Among Health Care Workers

This study describes SARS-CoV-2 PCR test positivity among health care workers before, during, and after implementation of a policy requiring universal masking of all health care workers and patients in a large health care system in Massachusetts.

jamanetwork.com

 

[OoohShiny]

Please read:

Time for Universal Masking and Prevention of Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

In this issue of JAMA, Wang et al present evidence that universal masking of health care workers (HCWs) and patients can help reduce transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections.1 In the largest health care system in Massachusetts with more than 75 000...

jamanetwork.com

Thank you for the link.

 

[caf]

Thank you for the link.

You’re welcome. Thanks for being receptive to reviewing it. The science is evolving and we, the public, are confronted with conflicting information. I edited the post to give you the actual study cite too.

 

[OoohShiny]

You’re welcome. Thanks for being receptive to reviewing it. The science is evolving and we, the public, are confronted with conflicting information. I edited the post to give you the actual study cite too.

Thank you for taking the time to link it - I have something large and important to read/write this coming week but should hopefully be able to dedicate some time to getting up to speed after that.

Well, after the two job applications I then need to do after that... lol