help with radiant stone

[go1dens4]

Let me know what your thoughts are on this stone, good depth and ratio? Also around what the value should be?

Carat weight:
0.72
Cut: Very Good
Color: E
Clarity: VVS2
Depth %: 68.8%
Table %: 66%
Symmetry: Very Good
Polish: Excellent
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.50 x 4.74 x 3.26 mm
Length/width ratio: 1.16

 

[cindygenit]

Not sure what to make of the numbers but you should request an ASET and IS image from your vendor.

These are crucial tools in determining great light performance in fancy cuts.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/29/2009 2:59:32 AM
Author: cindygenit
Not sure what to make of the numbers but you should request an ASET and IS image from your vendor.

These are crucial tools in determining great light performance in fancy cuts.

Welcome!

Cindy is right, unfortunately radiants cannot be judged by a few numbers. If you could get an ASET image from your vendor, detailed photos and a Sarin scan that would be very helpful. The description of a Very Good cut grade is probably vendor applied and as such this is not any guarantee of cut quality, however from the info we have I don't see any flags.

Have you seen this diamond in person? Does the diamond also have a GIA report?

Also I take it you prefer very high colour and clarity? This is absolutely fine if this is your preference and don't let anyone tell you differently - but just know that if you wished you could lower colour and clarity both without visual sacrifice. If you do this though I would suggest making an H colour the cutoff in a radiant as they can hold more warmth than other shapes.

 

[go1dens4]

it does have a GIA report, this information came straight from the GIA. I talked with the person and being in sales said they expected a lot of brilliance out of the stone. I have not seen the stone in person, it is from BN, I was also looking at some on whiteflash which can give me an image like you said but the table was in the 60% range with thick to very thick girdle... I did some research on the table and saw that in most radiants a 60% is not very desired.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/29/2009 9:07:34 AM
Author: go1dens4
it does have a GIA report, this information came straight from the GIA. I talked with the person and being in sales said they expected a lot of brilliance out of the stone. I have not seen the stone in person, it is from BN, I was also looking at some on whiteflash which can give me an image like you said but the table was in the 60% range with thick to very thick girdle... I did some research on the table and saw that in most radiants a 60% is not very desired.

Ok then images won't be possible if the diamond is from BN unfortunately, we are only guessing without at how the diamond might look and perform...Also don't go by numbers so much with radiants, usually you want the table to be less than the depth but some with tables in the 60- 65% area can be a good range- it is more round diamonds where a 60% - ish table isn't normally preferred here anyway. Also concerning the very thick girdle, if the very thick part is only a small portion then it might not be an issue, you could ask WF for more info and or you could post the link here.

 

[go1dens4]

I really could not find any on whiteflash either that had the ratio I wanted, If i order this stone is there somewhere I can have the images taken once I get it in to see how it performs or have it rates somewhere??

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/29/2009 10:06:12 AM
Author: go1dens4
I really could not find any on whiteflash either that had the ratio I wanted, If i order this stone is there somewhere I can have the images taken once I get it in to see how it performs or have it rates somewhere??

You could approach this two ways, either have the diamond sent to an appraiser near you so you can view the stone and also have them perform the various tests and images etc such as ASET which basically helps analyze the light return of a diamond, a Sarin scan which provides detailed measurements of the stone and whatever else that particular appraiser uses. You can find a list of appraisers which could include some in your area here. The appraisers normally have a list of their credentials and qualifications plus whatever tools they favour to help them to judge cut quality.

Alternatively, you could purchase your own ASET scopehere, and learn to use it and interpret the images yourself. These scopes are straightforward to use and with a little study and reading, the images are also straightforward to analyze. Here is a good tutorial on ASET and also a chart with ASET example images for you to see.

Also go on a field trip and hit some local jewellers, look at as many different radiants as you can to learn which type you like best. Stick to GIA graded diamonds for this purpose to make sure colour and clarity grading will be the same and you are thus comparing similarly graded stones. That way you will have a much better idea of whats available and what appeals to you in these shapes, personality, faceting and so on. When you see your diamond, also check it out in as many different lighting conditions as possible to make sure you like how it looks in similar circumstances to those it will be worn in. Sometimes diamonds can look a bit " sleepy" in some lights, they go into a sort of rest mode where they don't do much - which is fine - but what you want to avoid are stones which go dead and dull looking once they are in dimmer light, you want your diamond to be pleasing and show life in the vast majority of situations.

Lastly don't settle, well cut radiants can sometimes take a bit of patience to find so if this isn't the one don't be afraid to send it back and start again, waiting to get it right can be frustrating but well worth it in the end when you find the diamond that makes your heart sing!

Hope this helps!

 

[go1dens4]

is there anyway I can check this by eye once I get it, can I take it to a store and examine it under a 10x scope and look for anything?? I looked up the aset image people and nearest one is pretty far away so I really dont want to go this route.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/29/2009 12:26:46 PM
Author: go1dens4
is there anyway I can check this by eye once I get it, can I take it to a store and examine it under a 10x scope and look for anything?? I looked up the aset image people and nearest one is pretty far away so I really dont want to go this route.

You could try to do this but it might be a little difficult looking at a diamond in a jewellery store that they aren't selling, if you wanted to inspect the diamond with a loupe you could purchase your own and do so, the loupe will give you an idea of the inclusions in the stone but won't help you judge the cut. However your eyes are a very useful tool, if you like the diamond and have viewed others so you have seen the various types then that is in itself is important as that is what it ultimately comes down to.

If an independant appraiser is some distance away that is a shame as among their many expert services they can not only help you evaluate the cut quality in some cases but also give you an impartial opinion on the colour, clarity, price and a suitable insurance sum as well as many other benefits. However you could, as I suggested above, purchase your own ASET scope, they are straightforward both to use and to interpret the images with a little reading.

 

[go1dens4]

thanks for the help, I requested a sarin report from BN and they said they will have it over to me tomorrow. Will this help to evaluate the stone any better? I purchased this one because i could not find any on WF that were in the criteria of depth and ratio that I wanted. I can always return too though if i do not like it... One that I found on WF was 70% depth and 60% table, isnt this a bit small of table for a radiant?? I could not find many in this size above a 62 on their page

 

[haagen_dazs]

Date: 9/29/2009 4:21:10 PM
Author: go1dens4
thanks for the help, I requested a sarin report from BN and they said they will have it over to me tomorrow.

does blue nile provide sarin reports now ??
with sarin report and detailed angle dimensions, could that in visualizing what a potential ASET or IS image is ?

 

[haagen_dazs]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:03:46 PM
Author: haagen_dazs

Date: 9/29/2009 4:21:10 PM

Author: go1dens4

thanks for the help, I requested a sarin report from BN and they said they will have it over to me tomorrow.

does blue nile provide sarin reports now ??

with sarin report and detailed angle dimensions, could that in visualizing what a potential ASET or IS image is ?

to the OP
did you manage to get sarin reports from bluenile?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/29/2009 4:21:10 PM
Author: go1dens4
thanks for the help, I requested a sarin report from BN and they said they will have it over to me tomorrow. Will this help to evaluate the stone any better? I purchased this one because i could not find any on WF that were in the criteria of depth and ratio that I wanted. I can always return too though if i do not like it... One that I found on WF was 70% depth and 60% table, isnt this a bit small of table for a radiant?? I could not find many in this size above a 62 on their page

Really??? To the best of my knowledge BN do not offer such services so please let us know if they do produce a Sarin.

No, 60% table isn't too small for a radiant, the important thing are images in order to see how well everything works together.