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chappy said:
I believe the "D" on the inside shank is with newer models (past 5 years-ish).

It's great that you had a chance to look at and compare a variety of diamonds in person! Since you have your CBI, I'm very surprised that didn't sway your gf away from Tiffany. How cool that you got to use your Idealscope/ASET/loupe on all those wares! :geek2:

I'd also suggest catherine trenton jewellery for checking out second-hand, authenticated Tiffany rings.
For example, this one: https://www.catherinetrentonjewelle...1-legacy-diamond-and-platinum-engagement-ring

0.87 tcw F VVS1 legacy with all paperwork and boxes etc, for under 7k USD.
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@chappy, very nice find. Forwarding to GF.

Was only able to use my scopes on the loose HOF and Fire&Ice stones. Unfortunately, C&H didn’t have loose Forevermark. For Cartier and Tiffany, wouldn’t have needed scopes even if were hypothetically loose. When she compared their preset G colored options to my G super ideal, the others exhibited a definite yellow tint when held/worn side by side with mine. At least convinced her that cut is important and can affect “whiteness” of stone besides light performance (although I wonder if the medium blue fluorescence in mine played a factor). If she is not able to find a Tiffany ring that she can fall in love with, I will help her explore the better options. But at the moment, don’t want to complicate, so trying to find that Tiffany cushion cut dream ring.
 
Miki Moto said:
Hi! An Excellent, Excellent, Excellent cut is considered ideal. Also, if you really want to get specific, an Ex Ex Ex cut can also be super ideal like HOF, but a super ideal does not mean it sparkles more than an ideal.

Your GF has to look at the stone and see each characteristic... the white scintillation (sparkle), the fire (color)... as each stone is different.
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GIA XXX is not considered the same as AGS Ideal... GIA's XXX cut encompasses a much wider range than that of AGS's Ideal cut grade, and even wider still than that of the extremely precise super ideal cuts, such as ACA, HOF, HPD, etc. Some GIA XXX cut stones are fabulous... and some are dogs. Tiffany obviously has some great stones, but they also carry some really subpar cut diamonds as well. The difference is you pay the T&Co premium regardless of how well the XXX cut really is.

Regarding the upgrade policy... it may not be a hard rule, but how bad would you feel if you couldn't get them to budge for your upgrade?? Just my $0.02 :)
 
Out of curiosity, what does Tiffany do with rings that were returned for upgrades? Do they resell as “new” or in secondary market? Do they have their own used section?
 
msop04 said:
GIA XXX is not considered the same as AGS Ideal... GIA's XXX cut encompasses a much wider range than that of AGS's Ideal cut grade, and even wider still than that of the extremely precise super ideal cuts, such as ACA, HOF, HPD, etc. Some GIA XXX cut stones are fabulous... and some are dogs. Tiffany obviously has some great stones, but they also carry some really subpar cut diamonds as well. The difference is you pay the T&Co premium regardless of how well the XXX cut really is.

Regarding the upgrade policy... it may not be a hard rule, but how bad would you feel if you couldn't get them to budge for your upgrade?? Just my $0.02 :)
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I never said GIA XXX is the same. The OP asked how to get an ideal via Tiffany in the sense of an "ideal cut" not "super ideal cut". As I'm sure you know, Tiffany does not use AGS so there is no such thing as a Tiffany AGS Ideal, but you can find a Tiffany "ideal cut" stone. Tiffany used to use GIA and you got both a GIA cert and also a Tiffany cert With newer rings, it is now only a Tiffany cert, so to see a newly dated GIA cert with a used Tiffany ring on eBay, you just need to make sure what you are buying as that is no longer the standard Tiffany process. Of course, the dealer can remove the stone from the mount and send it to GIA himself before trying to sell the ring. That's my point about buying used... you have to be really careful to validate as there is a lot of fake Tiffany due to demand. I'm sure there are real ones out there, but there was a recent thread that showed some fakes, and it would be horrible to spend so much money thinking you got real Tiffany and paying that extra premium if it were not. And it's not just about the diamond and the cert, look at the mounting too as there are some mountings that look fake, regardless of the paperwork that comes with it (see the thread I posted earlier of the PSer who purchased a fake ring on eBay... her story ended up great as she got a refund and ended up with a real Tiffany, also from eBay).

On stones... I think Tiffany has some great stones and I am a big fan (I was not prior, I was HOF super ideal fan). I know a lot of folks dismiss Tiffany thinking they are just a name brand. Yes, you pay a premium for the name brand, but their stones are also gorgeous. As I stated earlier when comparing my HOF to my Tiffany, the Tiffany hands down sparkles more. Every diamond is different so you really need to look at them in real life, regardless of brand.
 
Miki Moto said:
I never said GIA XXX is the same. The OP asked how to get an ideal via Tiffany in the sense of an "ideal cut" not "super ideal cut". As I'm sure you know, Tiffany does not use AGS so there is no such thing as a Tiffany AGS Ideal, but you can find a Tiffany "ideal cut" stone. Tiffany used to use GIA and you got both a GIA cert and also a Tiffany cert With newer rings, it is now only a Tiffany cert, so to see a newly dated GIA cert with a used Tiffany ring on eBay, you just need to make sure what you are buying as that is no longer the standard Tiffany process. Of course, the dealer can remove the stone from the mount and send it to GIA himself before trying to sell the ring. That's my point about buying used... you have to be really careful to validate as there is a lot of fake Tiffany due to demand. I'm sure there are real ones out there, but there was a recent thread that showed some fakes, and it would be horrible to spend so much money thinking you got real Tiffany and paying that extra premium if it were not. And it's not just about the diamond and the cert, look at the mounting too as there are some mountings that look fake, regardless of the paperwork that comes with it (see the thread I posted earlier of the PSer who purchased a fake ring on eBay... her story ended up great as she got a refund and ended up with a real Tiffany, also from eBay).

On stones... I think Tiffany has some great stones and I am a big fan (I was not prior, I was HOF super ideal fan). I know a lot of folks dismiss Tiffany thinking they are just a name brand. Yes, you pay a premium for the name brand, but their stones are also gorgeous. As I stated earlier when comparing my HOF to my Tiffany, the Tiffany hands down sparkles more. Every diamond is different so you really need to look at them in real life, regardless of brand.
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You said that XXX is considered Ideal... different verbiage, but regardless of GIA XXX or Tiffany XXX/"Ideal", it's still not correct. That said, I believe we're on the same page here. :) My point was that Super Ideal > AGS Ideal > GIA XXX.

I was aware that T&Co grades their own diamonds... but that isn't a good thing. I wouldn't trust non-biased diamond grading... and since T&Co has something to gain by grading their own stones (money), there is cause for bias. If I felt the need to purchase a diamond from Tiffany, I would absolutely want a stone that had at least a GIA report (as the T&Co report doesn't really mean a lot).

I have no doubt your stone from Tiffany is beautiful, @Miki Moto... but all Tiffany diamonds are not cut well. If I'm paying a premium for the "name," it had better be for an amazing cut diamond as well. All of their stones are not so nicely cut - they are notorious for steep/deep diamonds. Extra work is definitely needed on the part of the buyer to ensure a good cut when shopping for a diamond at Tiffany. Unfortunately, the Tiffany name is not enough.
 
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Although I am personally of the super-ideal camp, I have tried to help find diamonds for friends who prioritized size over cut quality. Along the lines that the table and depth %s, and angles were within optimum range (per PS standards) and scored well on HCA (<2), but wouldn’t have been considered true H&A due to sub-par optical symmetry (asked for images if available). Again, they weren’t interested in hearts and arrows, just a big rock that was nearly white and excellent (even if not super-Ideal) performer. If I was able to locate a super-ideal within their budget, of course I’d be its biggest proponent.

Similarly, I have friends who insist on buying a diamond at a local brick and mortar and refuse to do anything online (which is odd since I live within reach of Silicon Valley). In the end, I think it boils down to personal preferences. And I’m assuming (even generalizing) that the majority of folks who seek guidance on PS are not your typical casual e-ring consumer; they crave knowledge and sometimes perfection to make the best and most informed decision.

And here I am, biting my lip and trying not to cringe as I peruse Tiffany-graded diamonds. Still, Tiffany are not the worst-cut and they do have a certain status appeal. Oddly, the more time I spend looking for my GF, the more I’m kind of wanting to own one just to say I have a Tiffany, and then I quickly snap back to reality.

Nonetheless, I found a few more decent options for my GF on Tradesy.
 
Bron357 said:
I’m from the “other side” I would never buy a new Tiffany ring because I don’t think the premium you pay is worth the $$$$$.

By buying second hand she already has the size she wanted.

Neither way is right or wrong, it’s about personal choices and personal comfort levels.
If your friend definitely want the “new” Tiffany experience, she should go to Tiffany.
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Also, since my GF is color sensitive (as determined on our fun excursion), would she be better off getting at least an F and sacrificing clarity to VS2. We both thought the HOF I, VS2 was as white facing as my G, but don’t think Tiffany’s options will be near super-ideal to offset the potential hint of yellow. Also, I’m afraid to drop down to SI clarity per a recent post on future depreciation and upgrade limitations. Open to suggestions. Thanks!
 
I'm not a fan of any brand name (diamond related or not) where you pay for the name, and not the quality. I really don't mind paying a premium if I feel I get something unique in return. Hence the reason I bought Apple computers for so long. Then (IMO) they started sucking, so when it came time to upgrade this last time, I switched over to a Lenova laptop and dual booting into Win10/Linux.

Back on topic, I think good friends tell one another hard truths. You should at least try to educate her on the other options and give her sound logic why it might make sense. If she decides against that, then so be it. Later on, she can't ever say, "if only you had told me".

As far as her color sensitivity, if she is looking at diamonds where she doesn't know the color and various colors are laid out randomly can she really pick a D, E, F or G from the crowd? I'm not saying it's impossible, but professionals struggle. For that reason, I think an F VS2 would be more than fine.

Same question about clarity needs to be asked though -- does she have super vision that can pinpoint imperfections in a 1 carat or smaller stone? Many SI1's are eye clean (to most) and can provide her a way to upgrade one of the other C's.
 
I just called Tiffany’s phone concierge line and spoke with a lovely SA. In any case, I advised the SA that I’m helping a GF, we visited a Tiffany store, that I personally own a super-ideal H&A, and knowing that Tiffany doesn’t cut to H&A or optical precision, I’d still like to find my friend the best performing diamond. She was very patient with me and looked at her ring inventory (since don’t sell loose stones). In general, she advised that ALL Tiffany diamonds are graded as Excellent because they only sell excellent cut. Although I forgot to ask for the lowest color grade, their lowest cut grade is VS2 (so eye-clean SI out of question :cry2:). Supposedly, they have very limited to almost no inventory of cushion cut solitaires, and small inventory of Celeste legacy rings. In any case, just to see what my GF could get for $8K, we looked at RB in their classic solitaire setting (speaking my language). Specifically, she pulled up a cert for a 3X .7 ct, G, VS1. I then proceeded to inquire on the various %s and angles listed below:

Table: 59
Depth: 62.8
Pavilion angle: 41.2
Crown angle: 35.3

HCA score: 4.6!!! :shock::eek2:

Needless to say, I’d be running away as fast as I could, but this was just an exercise in the SA being able to pull rings and confirm desired/undesired proportions by certs. I guess they don’t get frequent enough requests to create lookup fields for %s and angles.

For $8600, a Celeste legacy with a G, VVS2 (no inventory of lower clarity) would only yield .48 ct center and additional.10 ct melee. RB would be no brained for best value between these 2 options.

I also inquired about their upgrade policy. They did institute a limitation a few years ago, but the have since returned to a lifetime upgrade. I did mention updating their website to reflect thus. I also asked about valuation of original diamond. SA advised that original should receive 100% of original purchase toward new ring if just normal wear, but any major damage would reduce value. Regardless, still need to buy upgrade that is 2X original purchase price.

Hope this provides some clarification.
 
sledge said:
I'm not a fan of any brand name (diamond related or not) where you pay for the name, and not the quality. I really don't mind paying a premium if I feel I get something unique in return. Hence the reason I bought Apple computers for so long. Then (IMO) they started sucking, so when it came time to upgrade this last time, I switched over to a Lenova laptop and dual booting into Win10/Linux.

Back on topic, I think good friends tell one another hard truths. You should at least try to educate her on the other options and give her sound logic why it might make sense. If she decides against that, then so be it. Later on, she can't ever say, "if only you had told me".

As far as her color sensitivity, if she is looking at diamonds where she doesn't know the color and various colors are laid out randomly can she really pick a D, E, F or G from the crowd? I'm not saying it's impossible, but professionals struggle. For that reason, I think an F VS2 would be more than fine.

Same question about clarity needs to be asked though -- does she have super vision that can pinpoint imperfections in a 1 carat or smaller stone? Many SI1's are eye clean (to most) and can provide her a way to upgrade one of the other C's.
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I love my MacBook Pro (granted my brother works for Apple), but I did load Parallels so I could still be connected to a Windows platform for programming and other applications.
 
Athena10X said:
I just called Tiffany’s phone concierge line and spoke with a lovely SA. In any case, I advised the SA that I’m helping a GF, we visited a Tiffany store, that I personally own a super-ideal H&A, and knowing that Tiffany doesn’t cut to H&A or optical precision, I’d still like to find my friend the best performing diamond. She was very patient with me and looked at her ring inventory (since don’t sell loose stones). In general, she advised that ALL Tiffany diamonds are graded as Excellent because they only sell excellent cut. Although I forgot to ask for the lowest color grade, their lowest cut grade is VS2 (so eye-clean SI out of question :cry2:). Supposedly, they have very limited to almost no inventory of cushion cut solitaires, and small inventory of Celeste legacy rings. In any case, just to see what my GF could get for $8K, we looked at RB in their classic solitaire setting (speaking my language). Specifically, she pulled up a cert for a 3X .7 ct, G, VS1. I then proceeded to inquire on the various %s and angles listed below:

Table: 59
Depth: 62.8
Pavilion angle: 41.2
Crown angle: 35.3

HCA score: 4.6!!! :shock::eek2:

Needless to say, I’d be running away as fast as I could, but this was just an exercise in the SA being able to pull rings and confirm desired/undesired proportions by certs. I guess they don’t get frequent enough requests to create lookup fields for %s and angles.

For $8600, a Celeste legacy with a G, VVS2 (no inventory of lower clarity) would only yield .48 ct center and additional.10 ct melee. RB would be no brained for best value between these 2 options.

I also inquired about their upgrade policy. They did institute a limitation a few years ago, but the have since returned to a lifetime upgrade. I did mention updating their website to reflect thus. I also asked about valuation of original diamond. SA advised that original should receive 100% of original purchase toward new ring if just normal wear, but any major damage would reduce value. Regardless, still need to buy upgrade that is 2X original purchase price.

Hope this provides some clarification.
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WOW! I am honestly shocked that it scored that low. I own a few Tiffany pieces but none have diamonds. I’m kind of glad that I never ventured over to the shiny stuff in store!
 
Athena10X said:
I just called Tiffany’s phone concierge line and spoke with a lovely SA. In any case, I advised the SA that I’m helping a GF, we visited a Tiffany store, that I personally own a super-ideal H&A, and knowing that Tiffany doesn’t cut to H&A or optical precision, I’d still like to find my friend the best performing diamond. She was very patient with me and looked at her ring inventory (since don’t sell loose stones). In general, she advised that ALL Tiffany diamonds are graded as Excellent because they only sell excellent cut. Although I forgot to ask for the lowest color grade, their lowest cut grade is VS2 (so eye-clean SI out of question :cry2:). Supposedly, they have very limited to almost no inventory of cushion cut solitaires, and small inventory of Celeste legacy rings. In any case, just to see what my GF could get for $8K, we looked at RB in their classic solitaire setting (speaking my language). Specifically, she pulled up a cert for a 3X .7 ct, G, VS1. I then proceeded to inquire on the various %s and angles listed below:

Table: 59
Depth: 62.8
Pavilion angle: 41.2
Crown angle: 35.3

HCA score: 4.6!!! :shock::eek2:

Needless to say, I’d be running away as fast as I could, but this was just an exercise in the SA being able to pull rings and confirm desired/undesired proportions by certs. I guess they don’t get frequent enough requests to create lookup fields for %s and angles.

For $8600, a Celeste legacy with a G, VVS2 (no inventory of lower clarity) would only yield .48 ct center and additional.10 ct melee. RB would be no brained for best value between these 2 options.

I also inquired about their upgrade policy. They did institute a limitation a few years ago, but the have since returned to a lifetime upgrade. I did mention updating their website to reflect thus. I also asked about valuation of original diamond. SA advised that original should receive 100% of original purchase toward new ring if just normal wear, but any major damage would reduce value. Regardless, still need to buy upgrade that is 2X original purchase price.

Hope this provides some clarification.
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Update: lowest color grade is I.
 
Athena10X said:
Out of curiosity, what does Tiffany do with rings that were returned for upgrades? Do they resell as “new” or in secondary market? Do they have their own used section?
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Fun fact per Tiffany SA: pre-worn diamonds either get used in other non e-ring jewelry or they’ll get recut and reverted to be resold as “new” ring. Obviously there’ll be weight lost due to recut so not sure how often they do that. Metal gets scrapped and recycled for other pieces.
 
Hi! I would not go to a low clarity high color stone as you have probably seen in my post...as you know, my HOF diamonds are worth 53% of the price I paid 15 years ago while my Tiffany is worth 163% of the price I paid 14 years ago.

Diamonds should never be purchased as an investment but those resell value statistics should help in your decision on clarity and color if that matters to you. Note this is resell, not trade in which is completely different.

And Tiffany does not sell SI, their lowest is I VS2. Glad you confirmed they offer 100% trade in as I knew they did, so my guess is the website is more a filter vs a client who walks into a store looking to buy (they probably get tons of phone calls on this). Also, as you said your GF liked HOF stones, HOF also offered me 100% trade in value for my earrings (and it’s because I actually purchased my earrings as two loose stones, not an earring set because they do not offer 100% trade in on earring sets). So maybe look at HOF?

I think if your GF is color sensitive, I would recommend F VS2. An I color to me would be out or the question for your GF. She may think the I color she saw looked white but after staring at for a few weeks, she will see it.

All diamonds are a tradeoff in size, color, clarity, cut. When I first looked at Tiffany rings (I asked the SA to bring in the 3 I choose), I did not pay much attention to color as sparkle was my top priority and the G looked the same as the H. I choose the H VS2 as it looked white to me. Now, I can see the faint yellow and wished I had really paid more attention to color. So that was a lesson for me. I suggest your GF do the same and really compare especially if she color sensitive.
 
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One more suggestion if I may...
Since you said you have helped out friends purchase stones and everyone has different tastes, I am sure you also know PS is very pro super ideal. I am sure you also know PS is also a very small portion of the diamond market so if your GF feels she doesn’t want a super ideal and is likes an ideal cut, she could get super sparkly ideal with her $8K budget.

Some people may actually not like all the contrast of a super ideal and prefer sparkle scintillation more, but I expect you are already coaching your GF with these other options and helping her decide.

She really may be happy with an ideal as people have so many preferences (and priorities) over what they want in a diamond.

Good luck!
 
Athena10X said:
My gf LOVES cushion/square halo, but trying to be considerate of budget constraints
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What size does she need? Is she set on the Legacy halo style?
 
@Athena10X. I love that you are helping your friend within her wishes of a Tiffany diamond. I've done the same many times and it just takes a lot of patience as they don't make choosing specific angles easy. My dad did have fun bringing his ASET to Tiffany and showing the SA what to look for and what not to when helping my niece's now husband choose a ring. She is lucky to have you in her court.

@Miki Moto . You are such a great contributor and bring your experience to this board. Your passion for Tiffany is apparent and, believe it or not, I'm actually a fan of vintage Tiffany (just not the modern marketing machine). So, we share that. But, I'd suggest that when offering your experience between HOF and Tiffany that you include that the diamonds in question were totally different angle combinations leading to very difference performance patterns. You previously noted the following (which I thought was a brilliant insight!).
Miki Moto said:
I have spent the past hour looking at my two stones' specs, and yes... your above statements are exactly my problem. My beloved Tiffany stone has a larger table (57%) vs my dreaded HOF (53%). And my Tiffany crown angle is 33.7 vs my HOF which is 34.8. The Tiffany Pavillion is 41.28 vs. HOF 40.6.
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I loved that you found your perfect parameters. This can take a long time for many and you got it within 2 purchases. Yay you. But, your "perfect" parameters have nothing to do with the Tiffany brand. They are fairly common diamond parameters that don't leave much rough on the floor. You could find any number of diamonds from any number of vendors with those exact parameters. The difference between your two diamonds were the angles, not the seller. I think that is the key message to tell poster. Your setting, however, is pure Tiffany.

Athena10X said:
Fun fact per Tiffany SA: pre-worn diamonds either get used in other non e-ring jewelry or they’ll get recut and reverted to be resold as “new” ring. Obviously there’ll be weight lost due to recut so not sure how often they do that. Metal gets scrapped and recycled for other pieces.
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I don't believe this for a minute. They can keep making this claim, but until they have 3rd party verification, count me as skeptical.
 
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Hi! Thanks for the post above which is my exact point why Tiffany (or any other ideal) is not always bad and super ideals are the end all. Many folks here on PS seem to immediately dismiss anything that is not super ideal and I want to raise the awareness super ideals are not perfect and if a person has a budget to stick to, an ideal cut stone can be super sparkly. I bought HOF because I thought super ideals were it. As you know, I went to Tiffany to prove to myself Tiffany we over priced and not as sparkly and I should buy another HOF for my e-ring. Well, I compared side by side. The Tiffany by far sparkled more.

On my two stones... here is a photo so you and OP can see. I think you probably have seen it before but there is this perception out here that any super ideal is far superior to an ideal. To me, my Tiffany ideal (not super ideal) sparkles far more than my HOF (super ideal$. Others may think otherwise and I do know it’s all preference. Each diamond has its own life, ideal or super ideal.

My point here is the OP said his GF wanted a Tiffany, and I think his GF can get a super sparkly Tiffany that is not super ideal.

Also, glad to know you like Tiffany as well. I do think Tiffany makes some very nice pieces but other brands do also. I defend the brand here on PS because this is supposed to be a diamond forum, not a super ideal online buying vendor forum. Tiffany and ideal cuts are the underdogs on PS in a pool of super ideal fans so I want to give others a different point of view so they can decide.

Outside of this forum, I don’t even talk jewelry as most people just want a ring. But we PSers are a more inquisitive and educated bunch here. =)2

Thank you also for your sharing your insights to this forum! I also appreciate reading your posts. I have learned much and there is always more to learn.
 

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Miki Moto said:
And Tiffany does not sell SI, their lowest is I VS2.
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I have an I SI1 solitaire from Tiffany. So they do sell SI1 in Australia. My solitaire has the same specs as the previous poster and scored a 4.6HCA :sick: . It is being re-homed. Happy to post cert if anyone wants to see.
 
Food for thought.....my 0.867 BGD Blue, H, VS2 was $4,800. Pretty sure that DK or BGD could easily replicate a Tiffany solitaire for $1,000+/- if you keep it simple.

That'd put your friend @ $5,800 and a super ideal H&A cut. She could use the extra $3k to upgrade the color or stone size or use on her wedding or honeymoon. Just saying. :cool2:
 
sledge said:
Food for thought.....my 0.867 BGD Blue, H, VS2 was $4,800. Pretty sure that DK or BGD could easily replicate a Tiffany solitaire for $1,000+/- if you keep it simple.

That'd put your friend @ $5,800 and a super ideal H&A cut. She could use the extra $3k to upgrade the color or stone size or use on her wedding or honeymoon. Just saying. :cool2:
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That’s what I would do, too. But as others mentioned, Tiffany has a strong following (reputation and great marketing) so I don’t want to bash the brand completely. If my friend wants a Tiffany as her dream ring, then I’m here to help her find the best performing one. After all, she’ll be the one wearing it, so as long she’s happy with it, that’s what’ll matter.
 
bibs said:
I have an I SI1 solitaire from Tiffany. So they do sell SI1 in Australia. My solitaire has the same specs as the previous poster and scored a 4.6HCA :sick: . It is being re-homed. Happy to post cert if anyone wants to see.
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That is interesting to know for Australia as OP also posted above the lowest is VS2 when he spoke to them on the phone just earlier. Here is his quote:

Athena10X said:
I just called Tiffany’s phone concierge line and spoke with a lovely SA..... In general, she advised that ALL Tiffany diamonds are graded as Excellent because they only sell excellent cut. Although I forgot to ask for the lowest color grade, their lowest cut grade is VS2 (so eye-clean SI out of question :cry2:).
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Did you buy your ring at Tiffany Australia? I wonder why they would have different global standards as anyone can then resell a Tiffany Australia ring, say on e-Bay which would be inconsistent with say, the U.S. policy of lowest being I VS2.

@Athena10X If you GF really wants to get a Tiffany, maybe you can find a used SI1 Tiffany Australia on eBay. Reselling that ring in the U.S. would be tough though as Tiffany U.S. does not sell SI1 stones, so that may be something to think about.
 
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Athena10X said:
That’s what I would do, too. But as others mentioned, Tiffany has a strong following (reputation and great marketing) so I don’t want to bash the brand completely. If my friend wants a Tiffany as her dream ring, then I’m here to help her find the best performing one. After all, she’ll be the one wearing it, so as long she’s happy with it, that’s what’ll matter.
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Is she open to other styles, like the Novo or Lucida?
Here's a classic 1.04 ct. solitaire for $8450 but it's tiny at size 4.5. Seller takes offers.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TIFFANY-CO...429076?hash=item23a48b0314:g:z0QAAOSwSZFZyRua
A nice 3-stone. Nice finger coverage. Seller taking offers. Also tiny at 4.5.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tiffany-Co...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
 
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Athena10X said:
I love my MacBook Pro (granted my brother works for Apple), but I did load Parallels so I could still be connected to a Windows platform for programming and other applications.
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I've also used Parallels. Very cool program, especially on the newer platform and hardware. In the OS 8 & 9 years, it was a sluggish beast. Not so much anymore. At one point, I could access OS X GUI, Unix terminal command line via OS X, Windows via Parallels and also various Linux distros via Parallels.

My last MBP purchase was 2011. Retired it last year. Had a little over 6 years on the clock and was still going strong, but just time to upgrade and still managed to get about 45% of my initial price selling it on the used market. Throughout the years I had upgraded the RAM, hard drive, etc. as my needs expanded and at my leisure. The machine was a dream to own. When I decided to upgrade, I really wanted another MBP. Sadly, I learned everything is soldered and non-upgradeable and to get a machine I wanted cost me nearly $2k more than a Windows equivalent. There were more issues, but I'll spare the boring details to this diamond forum.

Sounds like your brother and I might have some things to discuss though. :mrgreen2:


Athena10X said:
That’s what I would do, too. But as others mentioned, Tiffany has a strong following (reputation and great marketing) so I don’t want to bash the brand completely. If my friend wants a Tiffany as her dream ring, then I’m here to help her find the best performing one. After all, she’ll be the one wearing it, so as long she’s happy with it, that’s what’ll matter.
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I'm definitely not bashing Tiffany, I just don't understand her inability to listen to sound logic. I would better understand if she were getting a better product, or experience, for her money but the reality is she's not. Not to mention with BGD, WF and HPD she gets a great upgrade program that enables her to move up in size and not be limited to a 5 year window and 2x cost constraints.

Have you guys even discussed the idea of NOT buying Tiffany's, or are you just supporting her decisions because you feel that's what she wants?

Either way, it's her money to do with as she wishes. I fully support that. Just saddens me to think she's throwing away money on a "good" product, when she could have much better. But each to his or her own. Apparently I don't need the Tiffany experience to feel validated.
 
Starfacet said:
No papers but maybe worth a try as seller offers returns.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tiffany-Co...369992?hash=item27fbed7dc8:g:olAAAOSwBLlVEG9q
Size 8.5.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tiffany-Co...484064?hash=item1c9d708fe0:g:NBoAAOSw9vlaUSX3
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I'm no expert but I'd be wary of both these listings. In the first, the shank height looks wrong, and the engraving looks too deep. I get that it's an older model and also on gold, but compared to this example (also YG, older 1996 model):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tiffany-Co...356288?hash=item4d512c8e40:g:lQcAAOSw241YUIfl

You can see the engraving doesn't have that 'halo' around it, and the shank height is much nicer.

The second listing has centered font in the Tiffany diamond certificate, but all the authentic certs I've seen have been left-aligned. Also note the diamond appears to be set crooked, and again the engraving is very deep.
 
Athena10X said:
That’s what I would do, too. But as others mentioned, Tiffany has a strong following (reputation and great marketing) so I don’t want to bash the brand completely. If my friend wants a Tiffany as her dream ring, then I’m here to help her find the best performing one. After all, she’ll be the one wearing it, so as long she’s happy with it, that’s what’ll matter.
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Would she be willing to forego the Tiffany engagement ring and purchase her wedding band from Tiffany. I understand wanting a true Tiffany. But she could get more bang for her buck buying a similarly styled ring somewhere else and then going to Tiffany for her wedding band? Just a thought.
 
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