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trljjl03

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Hello everyone. This is my first post on this site but I've been lurking a little over the past couple of weeks while I've been searching for a diamond. Let me just say that you guys do a fantastic job teaching people about diamonds and providing resources for people! You've got me think about details that I didn't even know about a couple months ago!

Anyway, over the last year, I've occasionally taken time to learn about the specifics of quality diamonds. I was really curious about the different things that go into finding a quality diamond and I wanted to make sure I did my research for when I eventually decided to pick out an engagement ring for my girlfriend. Anyway, I've decided that I want to propose to my girlfriend of 4 years in the next couple of months but first I need to pick out a ring. I think I've found the perfect setting (a vine style ring - she really wants something intricate instead of a plain solitare). Unfortately, this setting is only available on Bluenile making picking out the perfect diamond more difficult since I can't actually see them (not that I trust myself to judge them in person either). I've looked at WF and BG for settings too since they seem to be recommended by users here but, unfortunately, I didn't see anything that caught my eye.

I narrowed my search by looking for only stones that had AGS certifications because I've read here that they have stricter standards than GIA in several categories. This also significantly reduced the number of stones to look at (from about 4000 to 15). I also used HCA to eliminate stones that were close to or great than 2. So from 15 stones near my price range, I narrowed down to 4 and that's where I need your help.

I know the best way to judge these diamonds would be to look at them in person but, beacuse this is Bluenile, that's not an option. I went with higher clarity stones since I won't be able to check to see if they are eye clean without buying them. The AGS reports provide simulated ASETs which aren't as ideal as actual ASET images but will they be realtively close? I'm not enitrely sure what I should be looking for either. I could really use your help in figuring out which of these to go for. My girlfriend may not know everything about diamonds but I want to find one that she'll really enjoy for years!

Sorry for the long introduction - on to the diamonds!

1 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamo...ture-ideal-cut-e-color-vs1-clarity_LD02403545
HCA - 1
AGS 000
Carat - 0.53
Color - E
Clarity - VS1
Depth - 61.4
Table - 55.4
Pavilion - 40.8
Crown - 34.0
This is the diamond that I'm leaning toward most. It is the only one of the four that inlcudes the GCAL report which comes with pictures. The price is probably a little higher because it's an E color (I wouldn't mind a G or H at all) but it seems to look great in the picture. There also doens't seem to be alot of light leakage.

2 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD02374906
HCA - 1.4
AGS 000
Carat - 0.54
Color - G
Clarity - VS1
Depth - 62.1
Table - 55.5
Pavilion - 40.7
Crown - 35.1
I'm not quite sure what to make of this one. The ASET seems to be really good but I'm a little worried about the inclusions. Those shouldn't be visible without magnification because it's a VS1 right?

3 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-g-color-vvs1-clarity_LD02485263
HCA - 1.2
AGS 000
Carat - 0.56
Color - G
Clarity - VVS1
Depth - 62.2
Table - 54.2
Pavilion - 40.7
Crown - 34.7
As with 2 I'm not sure how to judge this one either. I'd guess that the price is higher because of the higher clarity but I don't want to risk visible inclusions. To my eyes, the ASET doesn't look as good as the first two but I don't really have any experience.

4 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-h-color-vvs2-clarity_LD02384842
HCA - 1.1
AGS 000
Carat - 0.7
Color - H
Clarity - VVS2
Depth - 61.4
Table - 55.4
Pavilion - 40.9
Crown - 33.9
This one is quite a bit bigger than the others but the price isn't all that much more. The ASET seems a little messy but everything else seems good. Would this be a good stone? If this one is as good as the other 3 wouldn't it usually be better to go with a larger stone?

Any tips or suggestions? If you need any more information, just ask, but I don't think there's anything else beyond what is at the links. Thank you so much for your help!
 
what is your budget? around 3200 for the stone?
 
My budget is about $3500 but I didn't find any diamonds that were AGS certified between $3200 and $3500. The next two were at $4000.
 
I don't think AGS certified is a necessity. It really does limit your options. If you find GIA ideal cut diamonds and run them through the HCA calculator, particularly if they are Blue NIle signature stones, I don't think you can go wrong. Also, from what I understand Blue Nile signature stones are eye clean. You can call and ask them to double check.

Not sure about your color sensitivity but most are fine with an H color.
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?pt=sig&filter_id=0#diamonds_pid=LD02679320

Of the four you've found so far I would go with the 4th. You have a larger diamond without making a sacrifice other than color and H is still pretty white.

if you post a picture of the setting, we may be able to find one very similar from another vendor and that will open up your search.
 
blinglover78|1343752303|3243673 said:
I don't think AGS certified is a necessity. It really does limit your options. If you find GIA ideal cut diamonds and run them through the HCA calculator, particularly if they are Blue NIle signature stones, I don't think you can go wrong. Also, from what I understand Blue Nile signature stones are eye clean. You can call and ask them to double check.

Not sure about your color sensitivity but most are fine with an H color.
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?pt=sig&filter_id=0#diamonds_pid=LD02679320

Of the four you've found so far I would go with the 4th. You have a larger diamond without making a sacrifice other than color and H is still pretty white.

if you post a picture of the setting, we may be able to find one very similar from another vendor and that will open up your search.


The main reasons I went with AGS certified was because they provide a little extra info (simulated ASET) and have slightly higher standards which I think is important since I won't be able to actually look at any of these stones. The thought of combing through 2000 stones with HCA is also pretty intimidating.

As for the settings, she liked the two below. The first is from Knox Jewelers in Minneapolis. http://www.knoxjewelers.biz/products/design-2190. It's pretty pricey since they are a small store and do mostly custom work. They also will only set their own stones. We found the second one at an art gallery. http://www.studio311.com/studio/temporary/windwaves.html. It's made by Studio 311 but they sell them through third parties. Unfortunately, there's now way to pick a specific diamond so you're stuck with what the store happens to have in stock. Anyway, the setting I tenatively picked out is here - http://www.bluenile.com/eiros-vine-diamond-14k-white-gold-engagement-ring_21299. It's intricate and has a very nature-y feel that I think she'll love.

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trljjl03|1343750430|3243649 said:
My budget is about $3500 but I didn't find any diamonds that were AGS certified between $3200 and $3500. The next two were at $4000.
Brian Gavin it's just amazing a really good company. Here i's one diamond that maybe you would like and you can look at the actual diamond.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.635-g-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104057888034

and if you tell them that you are pricescoper you can get a discount.
 
giantsteps|1343801605|3244135 said:
trljjl03|1343750430|3243649 said:
My budget is about $3500 but I didn't find any diamonds that were AGS certified between $3200 and $3500. The next two were at $4000.
Brian Gavin it's just amazing a really good company. Here i's one diamond that maybe you would like and you can look at the actual diamond.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.635-g-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104057888034

and if you tell them that you are pricescoper you can get a discount.

Wow Brian Gavin really provides a ton of information about all of their diamonds. I looke through their settings though and there wasn't really anything that I was looking for. Too bad, their website would make deciding on a diamond much easier.


Anyone have any opinions on the diamonds I've already foud on Blue Nile? Thanks!
 
Given the settings she told you she liked, I think the Blue Nile setting is a good choice, and I'd go with diamond 4. :sun:
 
I haven't bought anything yet but white flash told me that if I wanted to put their stone into my own setting I could ship it to them and have it set. Maybe you can just get the setting there and send it to who ever you decide to get the stone from
 
BigHenry|1343848438|3244428 said:
I haven't bought anything yet but white flash told me that if I wanted to put their stone into my own setting I could ship it to them and have it set. Maybe you can just get the setting there and send it to who ever you decide to get the stone from

Yeah I had thought of that. I looked into it and Blue Nile no longer sells the settings without a diamond. That would have made things easier haha.

A of you said you prefered the 4th diamond. Should I be concerned about the the simulated ASET? It doesn't look as clean/symmetrical as the other ones.
 
So it turns out that BLue Nile is discontinuing the setting soon so I need to order in the next couple of days. I'm leaning toward number 4 now because of your suggestions but I still have a coupe of questions. Do I need to be concerned about the simulated ASET at all? It looks a little messy and there might be some leakage on the top right. Also, should I be worried about the H color? I was reading another thread here and most people seemed to agree that AGS stones are usually one color grade lower than GIA stones.

Again, thanks for your help!
 
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