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http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-78229.htm#

Looks like a lot of leakages to me, not a good stone in my opinion. Look at the above link''s IS image and you can easily see how big a difference there is between a very good stone and the one you pick.
 
Any comments about this diamond would be appreciated? I do not like the SI2--but with an excellent cut and color, is it ok? From what I can tell the clarity defects are very naked eye visible...should I pass on this one? I have requested an IS but haven''t gotten it yet. Does anyone have any opinions about JamesAllen vs Whiteflash?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1138326.asp

Thank you very much!!

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I would be concerned with it being eye clean.
 
As we said before, it is difficult to judge fancy cut without ASET. At least give us an IS to work with. Otherwise, best stick with AGS0 Princess Cut.
 
Hi princess,

Curious ... have you ever actually seen a 2ct princess cut with Ideal light performance to compare with what is commonly being sold on the market?
 
Very good question, Rhino.

It is not because a vendor says that the Cut is Ideal, that it actually is. Especially in princess-cuts, there is a huge gap between ideal light-performance and even the best of what is commonly available.

Live long,
 
Date: 10/9/2008 9:35:02 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Very good question, Rhino.

It is not because a vendor says that the Cut is Ideal, that it actually is. Especially in princess-cuts, there is a huge gap between ideal light-performance and even the best of what is commonly available.

Live long,
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I see princess cuts being labeled as "ideal cut" on more than a few websites that are so far removed from anything that even closely resembles it.
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How this misrepresentation is allowed is beyond me and is why it is imperative that consumers do their homework.
 
PB80, as Paul and Rhino are pointing out, consumer often confuse the ''generic'' use of the word ''ideal'' and equate it with a grading lab''s use of the word "Ideal" (capital I).

Using the word ''ideal'' as a cut differentiator isn''t the same as a grading report bestowing a grade of "ABC Lab Ideal" to a stone. The criteria can be very different, and it can be confusing to consumers.
 
Date: 10/9/2008 11:32:06 AM
Author: Allison D.
PB80, as Paul and Rhino are pointing out, consumer often confuse the ''generic'' use of the word ''ideal'' and equate it with a grading lab''s use of the word ''Ideal'' (capital I).

Using the word ''ideal'' as a cut differentiator isn''t the same as a grading report bestowing a grade of ''ABC Lab Ideal'' to a stone. The criteria can be very different, and it can be confusing to consumers.
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Ditto, we seem to be running into this continually, so it is a point well worth making.
 
Date: 10/9/2008 9:10:21 AM
Author: Rhino
Hi princess,

Curious ... have you ever actually seen a 2ct princess cut with Ideal light performance to compare with what is commonly being sold on the market?
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Hi Rhino,
I just went to a local jewelry store and saw a 2 carat G, SI2 with excellent polish and excellent symmetry, next to an F, VS with only very good polish and good symmetry. This whole process is very confusing and frustrating. I liked the sparkle of the G better, but I could see the line inclusion in the SI2 clarity very well. Also the G, SI2 I saw had its corners clipped--what do you think about that? It was priced at $18K and some change. The F was at $21 and some change.
Which stone would you prefer out of the two that I saw?

Also, I think I can get a better deal online vs buying at a local jewelry store, right? I''m leaning towards this stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-617009.htm
But I haven''t ever seen it, which is a concern to me. THoughts?

Much appreciated!
brandy
 
Date: 10/9/2008 2:27:51 PM
Author: princessbrandy80




Date: 10/9/2008 9:10:21 AM
Author: Rhino
Hi princess,

Curious ... have you ever actually seen a 2ct princess cut with Ideal light performance to compare with what is commonly being sold on the market?
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Hi Rhino,
I just went to a local jewelry store and saw a 2 carat G, SI2 with excellent polish and excellent symmetry, next to an F, VS with only very good polish and good symmetry. This whole process is very confusing and frustrating. I liked the sparkle of the G better, but I could see the line inclusion in the SI2 clarity very well. Also the G, SI2 I saw had its corners clipped--what do you think about that? It was priced at $18K and some change. The F was at $21 and some change.
Which stone would you prefer out of the two that I saw?

Also, I think I can get a better deal online vs buying at a local jewelry store, right? I'm leaning towards this stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-617009.htm
But I haven't ever seen it, which is a concern to me. THoughts?

Much appreciated!
brandy
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Brandy, Rhino will be able to answer the first part of your question if you wanted him to answer specifically , but he won't be able to comment on the diamond you linked as this is against Pricescope policies for vendors to offer opinions on other vendor's diamonds. But the diamond you linked is absolutely gorgeous and well worth consideration. I know it can be daunting if you haven't seen the diamond before purchase, but WF do have a 10 day return policy in the rare case that you weren't happy.
 
Ditto. ACA PR is also an AGS0, so further guarantee for an excellent optical performance. If you have any doubts, just give WF a call.
 
Date: 10/9/2008 2:34:37 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 10/9/2008 2:27:51 PM
Author: princessbrandy80





Date: 10/9/2008 9:10:21 AM
Author: Rhino
Hi princess,

Curious ... have you ever actually seen a 2ct princess cut with Ideal light performance to compare with what is commonly being sold on the market?
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Hi Rhino,
I just went to a local jewelry store and saw a 2 carat G, SI2 with excellent polish and excellent symmetry, next to an F, VS with only very good polish and good symmetry. This whole process is very confusing and frustrating. I liked the sparkle of the G better, but I could see the line inclusion in the SI2 clarity very well. Also the G, SI2 I saw had its corners clipped--what do you think about that? It was priced at $18K and some change. The F was at $21 and some change.
Which stone would you prefer out of the two that I saw?

Also, I think I can get a better deal online vs buying at a local jewelry store, right? I''m leaning towards this stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-617009.htm
But I haven''t ever seen it, which is a concern to me. THoughts?

Much appreciated!
brandy
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Brandy, Rhino will be able to answer the first part of your question if you wanted him to answer specifically , but he won''t be able to comment on the diamond you linked as this is against Pricescope policies for vendors to offer opinions on other vendor''s diamonds. But the diamond you linked is absolutely gorgeous and well worth consideration. I know it can be daunting if you haven''t seen the diamond before purchase, but WF do have a 10 day return policy in the rare case that you weren''t happy.
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Gotcha...thanks!
 
PB, if you are worried about eyecleanliness, just call to ask. Be very clear/specific about what your definition of eyecleanliness is (distance, etc), and the definition of the person you are talking to also (WF lists theirs on their website, but you can confirm when talking too). They want to minimize shipping stones back and forth (b/c the stones are off the market when purchased), so they will answer your questions as best they can, because they want to match the right stone to the right person.
 
Hi princess,


Date: 10/9/2008 2:27:51 PM
Author: princessbrandy80

Date: 10/9/2008 9:10:21 AM
Author: Rhino
Hi princess,

Curious ... have you ever actually seen a 2ct princess cut with Ideal light performance to compare with what is commonly being sold on the market?
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Hi Rhino,
I just went to a local jewelry store and saw a 2 carat G, SI2 with excellent polish and excellent symmetry, next to an F, VS with only very good polish and good symmetry. This whole process is very confusing and frustrating. I liked the sparkle of the G better, but I could see the line inclusion in the SI2 clarity very well.
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Believe me I understand. With all the variables that are thrown into the mix it is easy to get confused. BTW its also possible for a VG/VG to have better light performance than an Ex/Ex. I''ve also seen GIA Vg/Vg with higher light performance than AGS ideals too. Go figure. We examine this on a case for case basis here in our lab.


Also the G, SI2 I saw had its corners clipped--what do you think about that?
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I personally don''t mind clipped corners but that boils down to preference. To me its almost a non issue because prongs are put in the corners anyhow.
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If you are considering squares with clipped corners there are also other square cuts you may want to consider as well that are cut specifically for light performance too, that is if you really enjoy the appearance/light performance of Hearts & Arrows. We have clips demonstrating the visual differences amongst these different cutting styles.


It was priced at $18K and some change. The F was at $21 and some change.
Which stone would you prefer out of the two that I saw?
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Personally I would not spend that kind of capital without more hard cold data about the light performance of what it is I was going to purchase. Polish and symetry features tell me nothing about the actual beauty of the diamond and whether I''m laying out 1k or 100k I want the most beautiful rock my money can get me for the $$$.
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Also, I think I can get a better deal online vs buying at a local jewelry store, right? I''m leaning towards this stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-617009.htm
But I haven''t ever seen it, which is a concern to me. THoughts?

Much appreciated!
brandy
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I am not at liberty to comment on competitors diamonds as per forum rules. In fact I can''t really even comment on my own but my advice to you would be, if its at all possible to try to select diamonds picked for light performance and if possible examine them side by side and buy what sings most to you. If you are also open to squares with cut corners that opens up more options to you as well that you may not be aware of.

Peace,
 
Date: 10/9/2008 5:56:12 PM
Author: :)
Hey PB, did you see this one? it is a 2 carat F VS2 for slightly less...
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4785/
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PB, just bumping this in case it gets lost between yours and Rhino''s posts (because it met your color desire, and is less moolah and a great stone)
 
Date: 10/9/2008 9:58:44 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
Is it ok to ask this?: Can someone please explain the difference between the light performance of these two diamonds? I'm not sure I understand what to look for in the IS and ASET...Thanks!

http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-617009.htm

and

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4785/
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Ok when you are comparing diamonds at this level, you know they will both be excellent hand picked diamonds, the differences will be subtle as both are so well cut, probably not something that can be explained without actually seeing each diamond and comparing. Bascially you have two beautifully cut diamonds there, pick the one that speaks to you, or has the features you desire most.

If you want to learn how to interpret ASET ( which is better for fancy shapes than IS) then try this chart.

http://www.ideal-scope.com/using_reference_chart_ASET.asp
 
Ditto to everything that Lorelei said, now you are in the hair-splitting stage :p Would be nice to compare them side by side at this stage to see which you like better but that will involve extra cost... :p
 
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