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princessbrandy80

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Hi,
I''m new to being a pricescope member, but I''ve perused the website a number of times over the past years.
What do you experts think about this diamond?
I don''t really understand the depth/table percentages...Is this a good diamond? will it sparkle?
$19,500--is that a fair price? Am I better off with a D or E color, smaller size diamond?
Shape: Princess
Carat weight: 2.03
Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 71.7%
Table: 68.0%
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Girdle: Thin
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 7.09*7.09*5.08
Ratio: 1.00
 
Could you get an ASET and an IS pic of it?
 
Does this help?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1120266.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
 
I didn''t know GIA graded princess cut. Can you confirm this?

By the numbers, it looks like it is within AGA ideal cut.

But without ASET, there is no way for us to tell.
 
I worry a little about the good for symmetry. The pic of the diamond has a couple of spots that have me wondering. IS/ASET pics would be very helpful. I would suggest calling James Allen and asking them to take IS and ASET photos for you. You can post them here when they send them (you can ask them to hold the diamond while they send them to you).
 
Date: 9/29/2008 9:11:35 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
I didn''t know GIA graded princess cut. Can you confirm this?

By the numbers, it looks like it is within AGA ideal cut.

But without ASET, there is no way for us to tell.
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Yes, GIA does reports on princesses. They report on all shapes.
 
You can request a IS from JA if you are interested in it. I would prefer a ASET but I don''t think JA have that.
 
I mean cut grading. Sorry for being unclear.

I looked at the report, no cut grading.

Yap, the sym is a little worrying.
 
Thank you for that info! I''ll contact James Allen about the ASET and IS. I''m confused about the "good" symmetry...what does that refer to? I guess it doesn''t refer to the dimensions of 7.09 x 7.09. I
 
My boyfriend would like to be at $20K or under....can you recommend any good princess diamonds...I prefer colorless and as close to square as possible--around 2 carats.
 
Date: 9/29/2008 9:17:42 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
Thank you for that info! I''ll contact James Allen about the ASET and IS. I''m confused about the ''good'' symmetry...what does that refer to? I guess it doesn''t refer to the dimensions of 7.09 x 7.09. I
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No, you are correct, it is not the dimensions (that one is a nice square shape) - it refers to how well it is cut.

This may help
http://www.diamondcut.gia.edu/pdf/polish_and_symmetry.pdf
 
Date: 9/29/2008 9:16:10 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
I mean cut grading. Sorry for being unclear.

I looked at the report, no cut grading.

Yap, the sym is a little worrying.
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Oh, gotcha - no, they don''t grade cut. I see what you meant.
 
Thank you--that link really helped. I''m learning more and more every day! It is just so complicated to find the perfect diamond because there are so many details involved. I wish the perfect diamond would just find me! : )
 
I am presuming when you say colorless you mean the strict DEF definition, correct?

Sort of slim pickings right now. I am not finding many AGS stones with 0 for light performance.

This is slightly above budget (not sure if your bf has wiggle room or not) 2 carat F VS2 for $20,500 bank wire - would need to check on the ''very thin'' portion of the girdle.
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4785/

If a G color is acceptable.. $18770 pricescope price
http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/Princess-cut-diamond-67218.htm#
 
Date: 9/29/2008 9:36:26 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
Thank you--that link really helped. I''m learning more and more every day! It is just so complicated to find the perfect diamond because there are so many details involved. I wish the perfect diamond would just find me! : )
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It is out there waiting for you! :)
 
I''ve been very stubborn about my diamond needing to be either D, E or F...what are your thoughts on this? The link you sent me for the G diamond from Whiteflash, seems like a nice diamond. I just want my diamond to sparkle, sparkle, sparkle and be as white/colorless as possible. I really appreciate all of your expertise in the area. We have room to move--$25K is the target price with the setting, so if I spend more on the diamond, I just get less on the band! I''m fine with that. : )
 
That's fine - it is all personal preference, just wanted to make sure exactly what you wanted. If you haven't looked at stones in person yet, I would recommend that you go look at AGS and GIA graded princess shape stones to see what your preferences are in that shape (sometimes there can be issues with color or clarity grading on EGL stones so I usually recommend to stick to GIA or AGS when browsing so that you can try to be as reliable/consistent as possible.)
You may find that a G is just fine to your eye (I actually suspect it likely would be - often people are surprised at how white the near colorless range is when they see it in person - but there are some very color sensitive people and sometimes there are even cultural reasons that people prefer certain colors or even clarities). If a princess is going to show face up color, it would be most likely to show in the pointy tips, and it is true that the larger a stone gets, the more likely you are to see color in a given color grade (in other words, a 2 carat princess graded an I would show a little more warmth than a 0.5 carat princess graded an I - this didn't make sense to me at first!!). Some of the warmer colors are quite pleasing/beautiful, and some even look better than stark white on some skin tones.

If you bump the budget from the setting towards the stone a little I did see a few more possibilities. But, before we raid the setting budget
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... Were you looking for a simple solitaire type setting, or did you have something else in mind?
 
I really just want a simple white gold solitaire "x" ring. Like this: http://www.whiteflash.com/Engagement-Rings/Styles/Solitaire/-X-Prong--for-Princess_982.htm#

I would prefer to change the shank to a European shank. I would like two channel set (about .5 carat each), princess cut wedding bands, one for each side of my engagement ring as well--european shank too.
So hopefully the two wedding bands and the engagement band won''t be more than $4-5K.

I think I am color sensitive because over the weekend I went to look at a few diamonds and the G diamond I was shown really stood out to me as a much darker stone--maybe it was a bad diamond. We went to a new jewelry store to Chicago, called Robbins Brothers. I wasn''t very impressed with this store. They didn''t have any 2 carat diamonds in the D, E or F range. NONE!

Can you recommend any stores in the Chicagoland area that I could to go?
 
Date: 9/29/2008 10:02:11 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
I've been very stubborn about my diamond needing to be either D, E or F...what are your thoughts on this? The link you sent me for the G diamond from Whiteflash, seems like a nice diamond. I just want my diamond to sparkle, sparkle, sparkle and be as white/colorless as possible. I really appreciate all of your expertise in the area. We have room to move--$25K is the target price with the setting, so if I spend more on the diamond, I just get less on the band! I'm fine with that. : )
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PB, extremely well cut stone can mask body color to a degree. I could see the merit in staying in the colorless (D/E/F) range with a stone from a softer lab or with softer cut parameters, but if you're going to a well-cut stone, I think you could easily get what you're looking for in a G with no visible sacrifice.

Sparkle is your top priority, so cut is paramount.

Was the G stone you looked at a top-shelf cut? If not, it may not be representative of what you should expect from a well-cut princess G. When you do homework locally, stick with stones graded by AGS or GIA to make sure you're comparing like-kind. Also, try to look in several different lighting conditions.
 
Date: 9/29/2008 10:58:31 PM
Author: Allison D.

Date: 9/29/2008 10:02:11 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
I''ve been very stubborn about my diamond needing to be either D, E or F...what are your thoughts on this? The link you sent me for the G diamond from Whiteflash, seems like a nice diamond. I just want my diamond to sparkle, sparkle, sparkle and be as white/colorless as possible. I really appreciate all of your expertise in the area. We have room to move--$25K is the target price with the setting, so if I spend more on the diamond, I just get less on the band! I''m fine with that. : )
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PB, extremely well cut stone can mask body color to a degree. I could see the merit in staying in the colorless (D/E/F) range with a stone from a softer lab or with softer cut parameters, but if you''re going to a well-cut stone, I think you could easily get what you''re looking for in a G with no visible sacrifice.

Sparkle is your top priority, so cut is paramount.

Was the G stone you looked at a top-shelf cut? If not, it may not be representative of what you should expect from a well-cut princess G. When you do homework locally, stick with stones graded by AGS or GIA to make sure you''re comparing like-kind. Also, try to look in several different lighting conditions.
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Ditto Alj.
 
I personally like this one, but it has SB fluor, not sure if you can stomach that. But it is a WF ES princess at 2.228Ct F VS2 at USD20492 with PSer''s discount.

http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/Princess-cut-diamond-1204592.htm#

Or you can search their ACA line, found 1 but it is just a little near the top of your margin.
 
Thank you EVERYONE for all your comments. I really appreciate your input. If anyone has any other suggestions for stones I should consider, please send them my way! Thanks!
 
Hi PB, Since you like the WF ring, why don''t we start with having you contact them and get an estimate/quote for the setting itself with the modifications that you would like, then we will know how much we have left to get a diamond. We should aim to try to do it all in one place (in other words if you like the setting at WF, lets work on getting a great stone from them).
 
Date: 9/30/2008 9:32:17 PM
Author: :)
Hi PB, Since you like the WF ring, why don''t we start with having you contact them and get an estimate/quote for the setting itself with the modifications that you would like, then we will know how much we have left to get a diamond. We should aim to try to do it all in one place (in other words if you like the setting at WF, lets work on getting a great stone from them).
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I actually have a request into Jamesallen for a quote on a similar setting with those modifications.
What do you think of the Whiteflash "A Cut Above Princess" diamonds? I like this one--though it is a G and I''m still not sure about the G vs D, E or F.... http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-617009.htm

Thanks!
Brandy
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Looks very good.
 
Date: 10/2/2008 12:33:20 PM
Author: princessbrandy80


Date: 9/30/2008 9:32:17 PM
Author: :)
Hi PB, Since you like the WF ring, why don't we start with having you contact them and get an estimate/quote for the setting itself with the modifications that you would like, then we will know how much we have left to get a diamond. We should aim to try to do it all in one place (in other words if you like the setting at WF, lets work on getting a great stone from them).
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I actually have a request into Jamesallen for a quote on a similar setting with those modifications.
What do you think of the Whiteflash 'A Cut Above Princess' diamonds? I like this one--though it is a G and I'm still not sure about the G vs D, E or F.... http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-617009.htm

Thanks!
Brandy
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That is a gorgeous diamond and will be very white in a G colour. If you can try to view some AGS0 Princess of G colour of similar size in person, apparently Jareds carry them - you may find that reassuring to see some in person, but don't forget although I would think you would be very happy with that diamond, WF do have a 10 day return policy so you are covered.
 
Date: 9/29/2008 9:13:54 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
You can request a IS from JA if you are interested in it. I would prefer a ASET but I don''t think JA have that.
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I got the Is from the original diamond I posted, but it is too large to attach....any suggestions on how I can post it?
 
You mean the 2.03c F VS2 Princess cut? I think it is sold. Did you buy it?
 
Date: 10/4/2008 10:29:45 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
You mean the 2.03c F VS2 Princess cut? I think it is sold. Did you buy it?
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I was waiting for the IS.....I just got it yesterday afternoon from jamesallen. Maybe they pulled it off the website since I was looking at it? Not sure...but I finally shrank the attachment down small enough to post. Let me know what you think. :)

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