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spiffyguy

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Hi everyone:
I scrapped my initial idea of buying an
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EGL "I" SI1 stone thanks to responses that I received in this site
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plus a little more research on my own
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. I''ve come accross these 3 stones and would like to get your help in choosing the best stone out of the group. The vital stats are as follows for all 3:

Shape: Round Round Round
Carat weight: 0.82 0.84 0.81
Cut: Ideal Ideal Ideal
Color: H I H
Clarity: SI1 SI1 SI1
Certificate: GIA AGS GIA
Depth: 60.7 61.2 62.2
Table: 54 56.6 56
Crown Angle: 34.0 34.8 35
Pavilion Angle 40.8 40.7 40.8
Polish: Excellent - Ideal Ideal Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent - Ideal Ideal Very Good
Girdle: TN-M F Medium to slightly t MED-THK
Culet: None None None
Fluorescence: Medium Neglible None
Measurements: 6.09*6.11*3.70 6.07*6.10*3.72 5.91*5.96*3.69

What are your thoughts?? Thanks for all your help
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I prefer number 2, also being an AGS cert, the calculations of the crown and pavillion angles aren't rounded like the GIA certs, so that would be my pick! I don't like the depth on the last one or the girdle thickness, IMO the second is the pick of the bunch, it also has the ID ID polish and symmetry, but number one has the H colour...but #2 would be my choice. Also the H has medium fluorescence, which isn't a bad thing at all but a personal preference.

Also as Irina says, prices?
 
Price for the stones is as follows (in the same order as before):

Shape: Round Round Round
Carat weight: 0.82 0.84 0.81

Price: $2900 $2890 $2900

Are those prices in line???
 
Going by the search tool under prices, the prices given seem in the ballpark.
 
Assuming everything else equal/accurate, price difference between H and I is about 10%. Someone (expert) should look at #1 and #2 and compare color and clarity.

If H color and SI1 clarity of stone #1 are accurate/conservative, SI1 is eye-clean, and Med Fluorescence doesn''t bother you., stone #1 can be a better deal.

However, there might be chances that H is closer to I or SI1 #1 isn''t equal to SI1 #2.... Get someone to eyeball them for you.

Good luck and post about the outcome of your quest
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Got one more stone to be thrown into the mix
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Price= $2890

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.81
Cut: Ideal AGS (0)
Clarity: I
Certificate: AGS
Depth: 61.4
Table: 55.2
Crown Agle: 34.9
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: THN-SLTK
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Measurements: 6.04 - 6.08 X 3.72

Would this one beat out the other stones? I need to pull the trigger soon. Let me know what you think. Thanks to everyone for all your help.
 
if you''re willing to step down just a few carat points, how about this one?

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2416658.htm#
 
Out of the first 3 I like #2 the best. That would be my choice
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Ok...we seem to have some agreement on stone #3 is not that great. Ok now out of all four in my thread, which way would you go between these 3
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:

Shape: Round Round
Carat weight: 0.82 0.84
Cut: Ideal Ideal
Color: H I
Clarity: SI1 SI1
Certificate: GIA AGS
Depth: 60.7 61.2
Table: 54 56.6
Crown Angle: 34.0 34.8
Pavilion Angle 40.8 40.7
Polish: Excellent - Ideal Ideal
Symmetry: Excellent - Ideal Ideal
Girdle: TN-M F Medium to slightly t
Culet: None None
Fluorescence: Medium Neglible
Measurements: 6.09*6.11*3.70 6.07*6.10*3.72

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.81
Cut: Ideal AGS (0)
Clarity: I
Certificate: AGS
Depth: 61.4
Table: 55.2
Crown Agle: 34.9
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: THN-SLTK
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Measurements: 6.04 - 6.08 X 3.72

Think we''re getting closer to a great choice!
What are your thoughts?? Thanks for all your help

 
I still like number 2 the best, but the last one you posted might be very nice too. It has the med flourescence though. Why don''t you ask the vendor to look at these diamonds for you and discuss the performance and merits of both before you make your choice?
 
Hi Everyone:
Looking at my thread, I just realized
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that I messed up on the specs of the last diamond that I posted
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. I guess that''s what happens when you try to work and try to keep up with the forum at the same time
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At any rate, here are the corrected specs (errors corrected are in red):

Stone #4

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.83
Cut: Ideal AGS (0)
Color: I (AGS 2.5)
Clarity: VS2 (AGS 4)
Certificate: AGS
Depth: 61.4
Table: 55.2
Crown Agle: 34.9
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: THN-SLTK
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Measurements: 6.04 - 6.08 X 3.72

Price $2890.00

Is this stone #4 better than stone #2 (which seems to be the front runner of the thread so far)?? Also, I''m really not sure on how the fluorescence affects the diamond
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I don''t have a point of reference to base myself on. Does it make it look bad? Thanks again to everyone for all your help!
 
Either number 2 or 4 would be great, actually I prefer the girdle on#4 as it is thin to slightly thick. Flourescence is a characteristic of some diamonds which can be seen under UV light or sunlight at times. In lower colours such as an I, it is considered an advantage as it can help the diamond to face up whiter. Faint or medium is normally fine, you might not notice it much anyway, if you do the diamond can have a slight 'violety' tone to it in some lights which many of us find really attractive, but above all it isn't something to worry about and it is a preference. Strong blue can very occasionally make a diamond look oily or milky, but to put this into perspective, a well known vendor here says that in over 30 years of selling diamonds, he has only ever seen a few which the flourescence had an adverse effect on. You can get yellow flourescence too, but this is quite rare.

So to sum up, there shouldn't be any worries for you with the med in an I colour unless you are a purist...Another poster put it nicely I think in an old thread, saying that to her, flourescence makes a diamond look more 'plugged in' and I think it does add an extra something. Just to be safe, check with your vendor that the flourescence doesn't have an adverse effect - which it shouldn't - and you will be good to go!

You can also do a search on flourescence for further info. My opinion on it in an I colour? YUMMY!

Now which is the better diamond out of the two? Hard to say, both the same colour, I prefer the angles on the second, but the girdle on the 4th, if the second is eyeclean at an SI1 then that's fine, the other is a VS and has flourescence....they both score the same on the cut adviser...., $10 price difference. I really think it would be best at this stage to ask the vendor which looks best or have the diamonds sent if you are doing it that way to see which you like best. Nearly forgot, what are the inclusions on the SI1? That could be a deciding factor, see if you can get this info and / or a plot of the certs.
 
i think #4 looks pretty good.
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I''ve contacted the vendor for him to compare the stones for me. I think I''m pretty close. Wish me luck and wisdom
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!!!
 
Luck and wisdom!
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Thanks for your good luck and wisdom wishes. I can''t even imagine the piece of garbage I would have bought had I not educated myself and found forums like this one. Thanks to everyone for all your help!!!
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Ok...got the ideal-scope images of both stones. This is one is the 0.83 carat stone with the following specs previously referred to as Stone #4:

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.83
Cut: Ideal AGS (0)
Color: I (AGS 2.5)
Clarity: VS2 (AGS 4)
Certificate: AGS
Depth: 61.4
Table: 55.2
Crown Agle: 34.9
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: THN-SLTK
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Measurements: 6.04 - 6.08 X 3.72


Price $2890.00




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I would go with #2. It has the most carat weight, great overall numbers and no flo. Fluorescence isn''t necessarily bad, but, given the choice, I''d take the stone without it.

That''s a great price too.
 
Here is the ideal-scope image for the stone# 2 with the following specs:

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.84
Cut: Ideal
Color: I
Clarity: SI1
Certificate: AGS
Depth: 61.2
Table: 56.6
Crown Angle: 34.8
Pavilion Angle 40.7
Polish: Excellent - Ideal Ideal
Symmetry: Excellent - Ideal Ideal
Girdle: Medium to slightly t
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Neglible
Measurements: 6.07*6.10*3.72

Price $ 2890.00

Now, looking at both, I think that stone number 2 (seen below) has better defined arrows. According to the jeweler, both stones are eye clean. I think #2 is the one to go with even though it is an SI1. What do you think?


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Here Are the Hearts for Stone #4 which seem nicely defined
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they''re both amazing stones.
 
Here are the hearts for stone #2, not as nice
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What now??? I''m really confused
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and don''t know which way to go. Please help!

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Hi Everyone:
Given the images attached for both stones, which one is the better one? I''m leaning towards stone #4 which is the .83 carat since it has "OK" arrows and "OK" hearts rather than stone #2 which is the .84 carat that has great arrows but horrible hearts. What do you think? Should I pass and look at something else?
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They're both knock your socks off beautiful. I'd just ask Jim which one he thinks is nicer, if you don't have a preference. I think stone 1 has well-formed arrows.
 
Who is Jim?
 
The owner of James Allen is Jim Shultz.

I''d definitely pick #4...it''s VS2 and has a little flourescence which will be a good thing in an I color stone.
 
Ok...cool. How do you know where I''m getting the stones from?
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Do we have mind readers in our forum??
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Any other thoughts?
 
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