HELP PLEASE!!!! MAKING THE PURCHASE TOMORROW

[Carnevil]

According to the Sarin and Megascope report, the proportions are universally angled.

GIA, round,
1.32 , G color, Si1,
Cut grade: Very Good
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
no Fluoresense,

measurements:
7.00-7.04 x 4.28mm
table: 60%
depth: 61%
crown angle: 32
pavil angle: 41
medium -thick faceted girdle
no culet

price is $9847

 

[zephyr]

Selected: 61% depth, 60% table, 32° crown angle, 41° pavilion angle
The result is for a symmetrical diamond with a medium girdle and very good polish
HCA scores were adjusted Dec. 15, 2001 and Feb. 6, 2003.


Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 1.7 - Excellent
within BIC range
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https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp

 

[Carnevil]

For all of that included, is the price just as nice????

 

[zephyr]

Did you compare prices on all the online stores?

Mondera
Blue Nile
Good Old Gold

Try to find similar ones...I am no expert mind you but this is what I''d do.

 

[zephyr]

Also, if you are not sure, don''t drop 10k.

 

[Carnevil]

But most stones appears to not have the Sarin report or megascope reporting......

I just want to make sure that this price is worth the value for a stone with universal proportions...

 

[John P]

I replied in your other thread Carnevil: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/if-symmetry-is-on-graded-as-good-can-it-still-be-beautiful.87921/

If you really value this diamond and it looks great to you, go for it. It''s priced quite high for what it is though.

You can go here https://www.pricescope.com/ enter the statistics and see diamonds of comparable size, color and clarity (some with better craftsmanship) for less, but the value has to be what it''s worth to you.

Can you tell us: What are "universal proportions?"

 

[Ellen]

Date: 6/18/2008 6:29:41 PM
Author: Carnevil
For all of that included, is the price just as nice????

Hi Carnevil,

First, when making such an important purchase, price really shouldn''t be the most important thing.

We understand these tiny little rocks cost a lot, but, you do get what you pay for.

As for the diamond, it''s what is called a 60/60, meaning the table and depth are at that percentage. Now there''s nothing wrong with these stones, and some people actually prefer them (when all else is where it should be). What they tend to do is give off more whte light, and a little less fire. The majority of folks tend to go for a stone that is more equally balanced in those two areas.

Secondly, the crown and pavilion angles are very important in how the stone works. When the angles are in a good area individually, and are compatible together, that helps make for a beautiful stone, along with everything else being what it should. The crown angle on this stone is rather shallow. We''d like to see it at least 33.5, preferably 34.

And lastly, because of the thick girdle, which is hiding some weight, the stone is facing up (looking from the top) a bit smaller than it should.


Cut is so important to a beautiful diamond, it''s the one thing you shouldn''t scrimp on, save in other areas, where it won''t matter as much.

So my personal opinion would be to pass on this one, I think you can do better.

Here''s a very nice example of what your budget could get you, should you decide to pass on this one. This is what an extremely well cut stone looks like. And there are other vendors that carry the same quality, I just grabbed this one to show you.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/2688/ With bankwire price is 9606.00

 

[John P]

Date: 6/18/2008 7:28:15 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 6/18/2008 6:29:41 PM
Author: Carnevil
For all of that included, is the price just as nice????

Hi Carnevil,

First, when making such an important purchase, price really shouldn't be the most important thing.

We understand these tiny little rocks cost a lot, but, you do get what you pay for.

As for the diamond, it's what is called a 60/60, meaning the table and depth are at that percentage. Now there's nothing wrong with these stones, and some people actually prefer them (when all else is where it should be). What they tend to do is give off more whte light, and a little less fire. The majority of folks tend to go for a stone that is more equally balanced in those two areas.

Secondly, the crown and pavilion angles are very important in how the stone works. When the angles are in a good area individually, and are compatible together, that helps make for a beautiful stone, along with everything else being what it should. The crown angle on this stone is rather shallow. We'd like to see it at least 33.5, preferably 34.

And lastly, because of the thick girdle, which is hiding some weight, the stone is facing up (looking from the top) a bit smaller than it should.


Cut is so important to a beautiful diamond, it's the one thing you shouldn't scrimp on, save in other areas, where it won't matter as much.

So my personal opinion would be to pass on this one, I think you can do better.

Here's a very nice example of what your budget could get you, should you decide to pass on this one. This is what an extremely well cut stone looks like. And there are other vendors that carry the same quality, I just grabbed this one to show you.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/2688/ With bankwire price is 9606.00

I hate to nitpick with one of my favorite 'scopers, but I went over this selection (for his other thread) and would gently point out a couple of things:

The stone is actually facing up like a 1.28 Tolk, so there will be no visible size issue when it's mounted. That's because the girdle is offset by the low crown height. About that; I'm twitchy on use of the word "shallow."

GIA says a shallow crown angle is 22 degrees. This one is slightly shallow (ok ok I know...'round here it's what we call shallow, Tex!).

With the bees freed from my bonnet I agree with your bottom line completely. It's a 60-60, could be quite nice, but priced far higher than comparables, and he might-could do better.

Sorry for the OCD.

 

[Carnevil]

This stone is also fully bonded.

Most jewelers won''t submit a sarin or megascope report. I am looking for a GIA stone.

Universal Proportions is where all the angles around the stone, from the crown, measures out to be the same.

other thing too, he''s give me a great price on the setting since he''s making it for me. I can''t seem to find anyone else who has it, and the original jeweler won''t supply it to me.

 

[John P]

Date: 6/18/2008 7:56:55 PM
Author: Carnevil
This stone is also fully bonded.

What does this imply?

Most jewelers won't submit a sarin or megascope report. I am looking for a GIA stone.

You can find GIA graded diamonds in many places. Having Sarin and/or Megascope reports is cool. They are both 3D scanners. There are a half-dozen advertisers on this site who provide a report from one or more of those devices and several who provide reflector photos (ASET or IdealScope); scientific ways of showing the aspects of a diamond's light performance.

Universal Proportions is where all the angles around the stone, from the crown, measures out to be the same.

If this means consistency in all measurements (not just averages) yes it's possible to find this. Do you have the image from the Megascope plot showing the crown & pavilion relief with angles for each of the bezels and mains? We can tell you how precise the "universal" aspect is, and whether you can locate other contenders.

other thing too, he's give me a great price on the setting since he's making it for me. I can't seem to find anyone else who has it, and the original jeweler won't supply it to me.

That's good, but considering the diamond is marked up a thousand dollars or so more than comparables I can imagine the setting is a "deal."

The whole package, all told, may be a good one - more info on the setting would help.

 

[purrfectpear]

Date: 6/18/2008 7:56:55 PM
Author: Carnevil
This stone is also fully bonded.

Puhleeeze tell me this isn''t from Fred "look out for warped diamonds" the Diamond Man (aka known as convicted felon)

 

[Carnevil]

This is the setting I am getting made up.

He is Fred Cueller. I met with diamond international cutters in the New York City today... Saw the diamond, and he''s going to create the setting for me.
total of $11647. what''s so bad about his book?

The setting is in platinum:
Collection: RemountsGroup: RingsCategory: Engagement RingsDescription: Stylish Platinum Engagement Ring Mounting with 2 Prong set Round Brilliant Cut diamonds on sides which are 0.27ct total weight surrounded by 92 Micro-Pave set Round Brilliant Cut diamonds which are 0.55ct total weight.Size: 6.5Side Shape: RoundSide Quantity: 94Side Weight: 0.82Side Color: GSide Clarity: VSMetal Weight: 3.6Change Metal: Platinum

 

[Carnevil]

what about his work with doing the super bowl, baseball, and hockey rings????? that''s got to say something, no?

 

[John P]

Carnevil,

Based on the stats you have posted the diamond should sell for between $7500-8500 (see the graphic from the search engine here). If you are purchasing locally a reasonable margin is expected, but in my opinion the price is high, especially for a 60-60 GIA VG cut with 'good' symmetry. The setting is nice. I would encourage you to seek quotes in a few places; on the setting and diamonds.

 

[purrfectpear]

I guess his 10 year probation for convicted felony theft is finally up this year. You did see the words convicted felon didn't you?

Seriously why would you consider doing business with that guy

Read it yourself here

I wouldn't care if he made rings for the President of the US, the Pope and Tiger Woods

 

[Carnevil]

Which venders will provide not only the gia cert, but the sarin report?

also,

that will create my setting for a reasonable price?...I''ve heard quote from 3000-6000, while DCI can do it for 1800, for platinum.

has anyone here experienced harm with them?...I''ve beeen reading just abouut what he offers, and a few positive stories, no negative stories....

 

[purrfectpear]

You haven''t googled him if you haven''t read any negative reviews.

Most PS vendors supply sarin reports, have GIA or AGS graded diamonds, have tradeup policies, and anything else you''d expect from a reputable business.

As to settings, the prices will vary. $1800 in platinum is a good price for that ring if the stones aren''t all frozen spit. Still, there''s the guy''s reputation to consider...and it isn''t pretty.