Help on AGS diamond color!!!!

[koner]

I would greatly appreciate your help. I purchased a VS2, Color H, 1.746 carat, AGS triple 0 cut diamond and gave it to my fiance''. I noticed that after it was set in 18k gold it looked a little yellowish. The diamond looks great and I got it from Blue Nile for 14,450. I have a dealer here in Atlanta who appraised it and said that I should probably have gone with a GIA for better color. He says he will sell me a GIA excelent cut diamond VS2 color G for 14,000. I looked at both and it does look a little white compared to the one I purchased, but mine is obviously set in a white gold setting. Does this affect the color?

She loves it, but I think it might be a shad yellow. What are your thoughts on AGS color? Thank you so much! I appreciate all your help!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/10/2007 5:05:08 PM
Author:koner

I would greatly appreciate your help. I purchased a VS2, Color H, 1.746 carat, AGS triple 0 cut diamond and gave it to my fiance''. I noticed that after it was set in 18k gold it looked a little yellowish. The diamond looks great and I got it from Blue Nile for 14,450. I have a dealer here in Atlanta who appraised it and said that I should probably have gone with a GIA for better color. He says he will sell me a GIA excelent cut diamond VS2 color G for 14,000. I looked at both and it does look a little white compared to the one I purchased, but mine is obviously set in a white gold setting. Does this affect the color?

She loves it, but I think it might be a shad yellow. What are your thoughts on AGS color? Thank you so much! I appreciate all your help!

*wagging finger no*


You never have a dealer appraise a stone. Get it done by an Independant Appraiser! And this is why you don''t, he may very well just be trying to get your biz.

A WG setting will not affect the color. And the color may very well be graded accurately. Get a second opinion.

 

[koner]

Elen,

Thank you for the info. I will go to another place that is not a seller. This guy charged me $95 for the appraisal and said the diamond was worth cost of 12,200. He also said the cut was very outstanding. His total appraisal then came to 19,900. Figured he did this to make me feel like I did not get a good deal.

Dave (a guy who posts a bunch on here also was prompt in an email I sent directly to him) mentioned that it is probably a great stone. I did a ton of research and think it is also. I just wanted to get some comfort on this purchase.

Does anyone else think that the white gold setting might make it appear a different color when viewed from the side. Top down it looks amazing.

 

[Ellen]

Let me add, at H some people can see color, especially as you go up in size. However, if she loves it, I wouldn''t return it. It sounds like a gorgeous stone!

And AGS is a very reputable lab.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/10/2007 5:25:39 PM
Author: koner
Elen,

Thank you for the info. I will go to another place that is not a seller. This guy charged me $95 for the appraisal and said the diamond was worth cost of 12,200. He also said the cut was very outstanding. His total appraisal then came to 19,900. Figured he did this to make me feel like I did not get a good deal.

Dave (a guy who posts a bunch on here also was prompt in an email I sent directly to him) mentioned that it is probably a great stone. I did a ton of research and think it is also. I just wanted to get some comfort on this purchase.

Does anyone else think that the white gold setting might make it appear a different color when viewed from the side. Top down it looks amazing.

We were posting at the same time. See my post about H''s to answer your question.

And again, it sounds like you got a great stone. If the color doesn''t bother her, I''d keep it.

 

[mrssalvo]

ellen is right, some people do see a bit of color in an H but if it doesn''t bother her, the stones sounds amazing and i would keep it. do keep in mind that the stone will reflect wall color, the color of your shirt, just about anything so that could also being deceiving your eyes a bit too. nothing wrong with getting an independent appraisal for peace of mind but AGS is considered the cream of the crop as far as labs go.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You most certainly do not need another appraisal on an AGS0 graded stone unless you want to try for a lower value for insurance purposes. H color is not white-white and it is not yellow either. It just has a tiny amount of tint to it. If you are still in your return period with Blue Nile, then ask your fiance if she is happy with the color, or would she rather have a smaller stone that is G color. There is a big increase in price for G stones especially above 1.5 carats. My guess is that she''ll stick with what she has! If it is past the return period, then keep your thoughts to yourself!!!

 

[koner]

I shared my thoughts with her because I want her to have the most perfect diamond possible. I will not get another appraisal as it sounds like I am the only one concerned about the color However, this forum is extremely helpful and the people on it have been great. I have gotten a ton of usefull information here.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/10/2007 6:08:46 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
You most certainly do not need another appraisal on an AGS0 graded stone unless you want to try for a lower value for insurance purposes. H color is not white-white and it is not yellow either. It just has a tiny amount of tint to it. If you are still in your return period with Blue Nile, then ask your fiance if she is happy with the color, or would she rather have a smaller stone that is G color. There is a big increase in price for G stones especially above 1.5 carats. My guess is that she''ll stick with what she has! If it is past the return period, then keep your thoughts to yourself!!!

Or he just wants some unbiased assurance he really did well.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 9/10/2007 6:13:26 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 9/10/2007 6:08:46 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
You most certainly do not need another appraisal on an AGS0 graded stone unless you want to try for a lower value for insurance purposes. H color is not white-white and it is not yellow either. It just has a tiny amount of tint to it. If you are still in your return period with Blue Nile, then ask your fiance if she is happy with the color, or would she rather have a smaller stone that is G color. There is a big increase in price for G stones especially above 1.5 carats. My guess is that she''ll stick with what she has! If it is past the return period, then keep your thoughts to yourself!!!

Or he just wants some unbiased assurance he really did well.

I know! I just hate seeing all the $$$$$$$ spent unnecessarily!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/10/2007 6:16:10 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006

I know! I just hate seeing all the $$$$$$$ spent unnecessarily!

I know what you''re saying.

Reading his last post, looks like he''s decided not to anyway!

 

[koner]

Me too When he said 95 for the appraisal I was a little ticked. I said something about examining the color and he used that to point that out. I shoul dhave kept my mouth shut. I will keep quiet next time I get an appraisal Hopefully not for a while!

 

[koner]

Yeah, I told her because I wanted her to come to the appraisal. I knew it was a great stone and she does also. I wanted her to know all about the stone I got. He showed us his G color and it had a tint of yellow also. Guy even said when mounted it would look different. I''ll post the picture she took after I gave it to her.

 

[Ellen]

95 for an appraisal is not a bad price actually.

And we''d love to see a pic!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Okay, that''s great!

I think you did a fabulous job picking out a diamond, and I know for SURE you got a better quality stone at a better price than you could at almost any regular jewelry store! There, and that''s reassurance for free!

 

[koner]

I had to crop it a bit, but here is the ring.

 

[Ellen]

Beautiful!

 

[stebbo]

Date: 9/10/2007 5:05:08 PM
Author:koner

I would greatly appreciate your help. I purchased a VS2, Color H, 1.746 carat, AGS triple 0 cut diamond and gave it to my fiance''. I noticed that after it was set in 18k gold it looked a little yellowish. The diamond looks great and I got it from Blue Nile for 14,450. I have a dealer here in Atlanta who appraised it and said that I should probably have gone with a GIA for better color. He says he will sell me a GIA excelent cut diamond VS2 color G for 14,000. I looked at both and it does look a little white compared to the one I purchased, but mine is obviously set in a white gold setting. Does this affect the color?

Assume you were comparing the stones side by side eliminating environmental conditions, it is feasible that you were comparing a good G versus a poor H, which can nearly be two color grades. Further more, accuracy in color grading by both machine and experienced grader is about half a color grade, so it is possible that they could nearly be 3 color grades apart--unlikely, but scientifically possible. 3 grades, that is noticeable.

The only other explanation I can think of is that you''re unfortunately very color sensitive.

If anything, an AGS color should look whiter than the equivalent GIA in real life environments, if there''s significant blue fluoresence that is. The AGS grade under UV-filtered light which doesn''t improve color like the GIA''s grading environment can.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Gorgeous!!! I doubt very seriously that H is going to bother her a bit! The ring looks perfect as it is!

 

[koner]

I think it is the fact that the stone I purchased is in a setting and the one he showed me wasn''t . That will cause a differnece, right? Secondly, I think it is also that I am a guy who finds it difficult to part with that type of money for something so small, that I want it to be perfect

 

[kcoursolle]

Date: 9/10/2007 9:46:37 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Gorgeous!!! I doubt very seriously that H is going to bother her a bit! The ring looks perfect as it is!

Ditto, it''s beautiful! Although labs occasionally make mistakes, AGS is very similar to GIA on average. Some even think that AGS is more strict on some aspects of grading than GIA such as cut.

 

[koner]

I did end up going to another appraiser today. This one is an independent. He did a much more thorough job than the original place I took it to. He compared it to master stones for color. He said the color is in the upper H range and that I am probably color sensitive. He also said the cut was amazing.

The first guy I took it to said it was worth a cost of 12,200 and retail of 19,900. What the heck!

The second appraiser assigned a cost of 21,000. No cost or retail. He is located in Atlanta at Gemcorp. He was extremely thorough: took pictures, examined all the angles, verified color, and clarity. He took much more detailed notes and answered all my questions. ... AND he charged me only 75! compared to the 95! before!

I''m very excited and now have now worries.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Glad you had another opinion on your stone! The bad thing is the appraisal amount. You don''t need to pay an insurance premium on $21,000 if the stone only cost $14,450. I''d either contact the second appraiser and tell him you want an internet/discount value assigned or else use the first appraisal and insure for the $19,900. The AGS cert has all the needed info to go along with either insurance appraisal.

 

[koner]

If it was lost, wouldn''t getting the higher appraisal be a better deal?

 

[WorkingHardforSmallRewards]

my understanding is that there is a clause in the insurance that says at current retail value for an equivalent diamond up to the amount you have paid to have it insured for. But if they can get you the same thing for less, then thats what they will give you.


So depending on your exact insurance company some might allow you to purchase locally and pay for it even if it cost more than your original purchase amount, others will handle it differently, I dont know all of the details. But you certainly wont end up with a BETTER diamond that cost more just because you paid for a higher insurance premium.