Help me look at two OECs please.

[bright ice]

I have 2 contenders:#1 is 3.09 M VS1 GIA, 9.23 x 9.31 x 5.70, table 49, depth 61.5. #2 3.07 Q-R SI1 GIA, 9.34 x 9.41 x 5.59, table 47, depth 59.6. Is it worth a price difference (asking) of 5k between the two?

 

[anne_h]

Hi,

Not much intelligent to add other than I've seen the GIA M in person and it was quite nice!

I think warmth is a factor to consider as you make your decision, those two stones are a ways apart on the color scale.

Also, in my experience the vendor with the M seems to have some room to negotiate. But maybe the Q does too, actually I bet yes if it's the consignment piece I'm thinking of.

Good luck! Antique stones are GORGEOUS.

Anne

 

[diamondseeker2006]

If the stones were equal in cut, I would rather have the higher color/clarity stone. And yes, at that size, the higher color/clarity would likely cost $5k more. But I don't think anyone can advise you very well unless they can see the facet patterns in the two stones, and even then, it is impossible to tell about personal color tolerance without seeing the stones.

 

[bright ice]

Hi,

Not much intelligent to add other than I've seen the GIA M in person and it was quite nice!

I think warmth is a factor to consider as you make your decision, those two stones are a ways apart on the color scale.

Also, in my experience the vendor with the M seems to have some room to negotiate. But maybe the Q does too, actually I bet yes if it's the consignment piece I'm thinking of.

Good luck! Antique stones are GORGEOUS.

Anne

Thanks Anne for this info. Had you not bought your I color, would you have seriously considered the M? I know they both have some room to move down on their prices. I am sure I could like either color.

 

[anne_h]

Hi Bright Ice,

When I bought the I, the other contender was a 3.71 K (EGL, so probably GIA M). I loooved the roundness and facet pattern of that stone!

I did look at the M you posted, but my budget allowed me to go bigger, so I did! lol

If my budget had been more at that price-point, yes I would have seriously considered it. But personally, throughout the process I found that too much warmth bothered me, so probably M was the very lowest I could personally go, and only if I loved the stone. I did find that particular M had a nice facet pattern, I personally liked it.

I agree with DS that of the two stones you posted, I'd probably go with the higher color / higher clarity stone. Even if it costs a bit more (and spreads a little less).

Also, consider trade in policy. I know the M vendor told me it was an option, but I know of at least one GOG consignment stone that did NOT have one.

HTH!!

Anne

 

[bright ice]

Hi Bright Ice,

When I bought the I, the other contender was a 3.71 K (EGL, so probably GIA M). I loooved the roundness and facet pattern of that stone!

I did look at the M you posted, but my budget allowed me to go bigger, so I did! lol

If my budget had been more at that price-point, yes I would have seriously considered it. But personally, throughout the process I found that too much warmth bothered me, so probably M was the very lowest I could personally go, and only if I loved the stone. I did find that particular M had a nice facet pattern, I personally liked it.

I agree with DS that of the two stones you posted, I'd probably go with the higher color / higher clarity stone. Even if it costs a bit more (and spreads a little less).

Also, consider trade in policy. I know the M vendor told me it was an option, but I know of at least one GOG consignment stone that did NOT have one.

HTH!!

Anne

This one is at the top end of my budget and most likely size in regards to daily wear especially if I put it in a halo of some sort.
I just want a well cut stone with a pretty facet pattern. I think I could love the M color.

 

[bright ice]

If the stones were equal in cut, I would rather have the higher color/clarity stone. And yes, at that size, the higher color/clarity would likely cost $5k more. But I don't think anyone can advise you very well unless they can see the facet patterns in the two stones, and even then, it is impossible to tell about personal color tolerance without seeing the stones.

Thanks DS!
Here are the facet patterns. I think they are VERY close.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8716


http://www.oldworlddiamonds.com/detail.php?ID=1828&SHAPE=EU

 

[Amys Bling]

I think it depends on the warmth you want...

 

[marymm]

I prefer a large culet (GOG) over a very large (OWD), but I *think* I'm seeing inclusion(s) near the center of the GOG stone in the video - saw it/them more than once, in different shots - I could be mis-reading the video or maybe there's fluff on the stone, but eye-visible inclusions would bother me - making the OWD's VS1 preferable. Any chance you could see both of them in hand? OR have them both sent to an appraiser for evaluation?

 

[bright ice]

I prefer a large culet (GOG) over a very large (OWD), but I *think* I'm seeing inclusion(s) near the center of the GOG stone in the video - saw it/them more than once, in different shots - I could be mis-reading the video or maybe there's fluff on the stone, but eye-visible inclusions would bother me - making the OWD's VS1 preferable. Any chance you could see both of them in hand? OR have them both sent to an appraiser for evaluation?

Yes it is the inclusions, which I think would bother me much more so than the color

 

[bright ice]

Just got another one sent to me to consider.

A 2.87 M VS2 8.95 x 8.9 x 5.7. Depth 63.5%, table 48-51%

 

[Dreamer_D]

You need to see them to decide.

 

[bright ice]

You need to see them to decide.

I am going to have the 2.87 M VS2 and the 3.09 M VS1 sent to me for viewing. I know it 's the only way to decide.

 

[Dreamer_D]

You need to see them to decide.

I am going to have the 2.87 M VS2 and the 3.09 M VS1 sent to me for viewing. I know it 's the only way to decide.

Good. Is the 2.87 already in the mounting? Looks like Kelpie's ring!

As I am sure you know, OECs are each so individual, you can't pick by photos or numbers. Take them into as many lighting situations as you can. As I think I have written elsewhere, I was surprised at how my two OECs (well, my own and my mom's) perform so differently. I have a strong preference for how one performs over the other. You probably will too!

 

[bright ice]

You need to see them to decide.

I am going to have the 2.87 M VS2 and the 3.09 M VS1 sent to me for viewing. I know it 's the only way to decide.

Good. Is the 2.87 already in the mounting? Looks like Kelpie's ring!

As I am sure you know, OECs are each so individual, you can't pick by photos or numbers. Take them into as many lighting situations as you can. As I think I have written elsewhere, I was surprised at how my two OECs (well, my own and my mom's) perform so differently. I have a strong preference for how one performs over the other. You probably will too!

Yes, it's mounted but Ari will unmount and send just the stone. Yes, this is the same setting as Kelpie's.

 

[Amys Bling]

Just got another one sent to me to consider.

A 2.87 M VS2 8.95 x 8.9 x 5.7. Depth 63.5%, table 48-51%

Love this setting

 

[Christina...]

Just got another one sent to me to consider.

A 2.87 M VS2 8.95 x 8.9 x 5.7. Depth 63.5%, table 48-51%

Love this setting

+1 I just downloaded to my favs and inspiration collection. I had no idea how diverse I was!

 

[CharmyPoo]

I thought that was Kelpie's ring for a moment.

Is there a straight up photo of the OWD diamond?

 

[bright ice]

I thought that was Kelpie's ring for a moment.

Is there a straight up photo of the OWD diamond?

Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KP06u9YbDw&feature=youtu.be

I don't have a straight on photo.

 

[Gypsy]

Just got another one sent to me to consider.

A 2.87 M VS2 8.95 x 8.9 x 5.7. Depth 63.5%, table 48-51%

I prefer this one to the others.

 

[bright ice]

Just got another one sent to me to consider.

A 2.87 M VS2 8.95 x 8.9 x 5.7. Depth 63.5%, table 48-51%

I prefer this one to the others.

I am almost leaning towards this one too! I love the look of the faceting, the small cutlet and it's the deeper cut of the three.
Ari has graded it against his GIA master set and says it's no lower than an M, but could go an L. He will send it to GIA and have it certified for me if I keep it.

What do you think a fair price is?

 

[Dreamer_D]

I too prefer the 2.87. The faceting undee table looks a lot like my own OEC, which I find to have good performance. Actually, I think the 2.87 will look a little more like a modern RB than would the other which has more "old" style faceting under the table. You might not want that though so best to see!

Price... You can use OWD or JBEG for retail comps.

 

[bright ice]

I too prefer the 2.87. The faceting undee table looks a lot like my own OEC, which I find to have good performance. Actually, I think the 2.87 will look a little more like a modern RB than would the other which has more "old" style faceting under the table. You might not want that though so best to see!

Price... You can use OWD or JBEG for retail comps.

Well, I am going to keep my modern RB, so I do want a different look!

 

[Dreamer_D]

I too prefer the 2.87. The faceting undee table looks a lot like my own OEC, which I find to have good performance. Actually, I think the 2.87 will look a little more like a modern RB than would the other which has more "old" style faceting under the table. You might not want that though so best to see!

Price... You can use OWD or JBEG for retail comps.

Well, I am going to keep my modern RB, so I do want a different look!

I was lucky enough to see a very large OEC the other day, it must have been 5 carats, and the faceting looked very different than a modern RB! My own 1ct stone looks different than a modern RB, but it is a little less chunky that some you can see under the table, I guess it has slightly longer lgf, and the 2.87 reminds me of that. I think the 2.87 will look different than a modern RB, but perhaps will benefit from some of the added optical benefits you can get from the slightly more modern style... like better performance accross lighting and less under table darkness. I am just guessing based on a few pictures though. Can't wait to hear what you think!

 

[SparklyOEC]

I'm loving the facet pattern on the 2.87. You will still have to see it in person though IMHO just because each old cut looks different in person than in a 20x blown up photo if that makes sense.

 

[bright ice]

I too prefer the 2.87. The faceting undee table looks a lot like my own OEC, which I find to have good performance. Actually, I think the 2.87 will look a little more like a modern RB than would the other which has more "old" style faceting under the table. You might not want that though so best to see!

Price... You can use OWD or JBEG for retail comps.

Well, I am going to keep my modern RB, so I do want a different look!

I was lucky enough to see a very large OEC the other day, it must have been 5 carats, and the faceting looked very different than a modern RB! My own 1ct stone looks different than a modern RB, but it is a little less chunky that some you can see under the table, I guess it has slightly longer lgf, and the 2.87 reminds me of that. I think the 2.87 will look different than a modern RB, but perhaps will benefit from some of the added optical benefits you can get from the slightly more modern style... like better performance accross lighting and less under table darkness. I am just guessing based on a few pictures though. Can't wait to hear what you think!

Do you think this one looks somewhat like Coati's? I just LOVE hers!

 

[Dreamer_D]

I don't think so, hers looks quite different in photos under the table. But maybe she will comment...

 

[yssie]

I'll be contrarian - I prefer the look of the 3.09, I just adore the giant open culet and the way it reflects around the stone. The edges do seem rather lifeless in the video - they don't do anything/turn on and off as the stone turns relative to the direct light source and camera, but that could be the photography. We only have the still for the 2.8.. I do agree they'll have very different looks IRL, and you'll likely strongly prefer one over the other when you have them in front of you - I'm looking forward to hearing what you think!

 

[bright ice]

I'll be contrarian - I prefer the look of the 3.09, I just adore the giant open culet and the way it reflects around the stone. The edges do seem rather lifeless in the video - they don't do anything/turn on and off as the stone turns relative to the direct light source and camera, but that could be the photography. We only have the still for the 2.8.. I do agree they'll have very different looks IRL, and you'll likely strongly prefer one over the other when you have them in front of you - I'm looking forward to hearing what you think!

I will have the 3.09 tomorrow morning We'll see!

 

[anne_h]

Personally, I prefer the 3.09 M at this point. But I do agree it's best to see both in real life and decide what *you* think!

Fun! Keep us posted.

Anne