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I'm working with a local jeweler, and am considering purchasing from one of these two options, while still looking at possible other online options. Would love some assistance on deciding which one to choose between the two. Not too obsessed with the carat sized. Just would like something that would dazzle/sparkle.

GIA Certificate#: 5131477209
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=5131477209

Images:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgWjhLUFZZSGk2QzRNa3BOWGtvM3VGaE56X180
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgS1B3Y1hGNlFEdWxnVUpFR0UwVlBieGo0MXEw

GIA Certificate#: 2145062576
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2145062576

Images:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgN3NYZVBtREhhUDF6MlNzLXNFcHo3X2JubGd3
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgWVlLaGJmTWRXdEY5bnBEWWNBX19UaVgtQUlB
 
Apologies, the images don’t load for me (deep sigh). :cry2:
From the GIA reports, both of these diamonds are closer to a 60/60 combo, which will likely not give you flashes of rainbow light, but rather just white, twinkle scintillation.
Nothing wrong with white, twinkle scintillation; it’s all personal preference. If you want the “WOW” factor, having a diamond that returns rainbow flashes of light, as well as white, twinkle scintillation, would be the route to go.
Both score well on HCA. I’m sure they’re both beautiful; they’re nearly identical on paper. Just wondering if we should look to compare 60/60 to other combos that can throw off those rainbow flashes of light.
What do you think?

1.11DVS:

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1.03DVS:

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AC76 said:
I'm working with a local jeweler, and am considering purchasing from one of these two options, while still looking at possible other online options. Would love some assistance on deciding which one to choose between the two. Not too obsessed with the carat sized. Just would like something that would dazzle/sparkle.

GIA Certificate#: 5131477209
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=5131477209

Images:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgWjhLUFZZSGk2QzRNa3BOWGtvM3VGaE56X180
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgS1B3Y1hGNlFEdWxnVUpFR0UwVlBieGo0MXEw

GIA Certificate#: 2145062576
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2145062576

Images:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgN3NYZVBtREhhUDF6MlNzLXNFcHo3X2JubGd3
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By-uCMBKuzjgWVlLaGJmTWRXdEY5bnBEWWNBX19UaVgtQUlB
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You are looking for very high color and clarity. Are these culturally necessary or are you trying to get a "sure thing". If you are looking for something safe, I'd recommend dropping to G VS2, at a start.

Not sure of your budget, but this looks nice also.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4893123

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...color-vs2-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-4475985

Also, here are the ranges to keep you within ideal proportions.
Depth 60-62.3 %
Table 54-58% (I cutoff at 57.5)
Pavilion 40.6-41 degrees
Crown 34-35 degrees (sometimes up to 36 with idealscope image)

34 crown pairs better with 41 pav and 35 crown pairs better with 40.6.
 
What are your budget / carat / colour / clarity preferences/requirements, so that we can look online for you? :)
 
Carat: in the .95 to 1.10 carat range
Clarity VS1/VS2 (ideally - although "eye clean" may be acceptable)
Color: D/E (see below)
Budget: 8-10K (but see below)

again the cut is probably the most important for us - looking for something that will dazzle - similiar to the Tacori Hearts on Fire type cuts.

So yes, I think we would like something that returns rainbow flashes of light as well as white twinkling scintillation as Matthews1127 has suggested.

My girlfriend would prefer the above parameters for color and clarity to be in the above range if ordering online, just to ensure we get a "sure thing".

Anything else, and we'd probably really need to see it and be convinced that it will still dazzle both in natural day light and indoors.

She's had friends that have had an H Color ring, that doesn't look very good in the daylight, so she is hesitant to go lower than E.

In terms of budget, I'd ideally like to be in the 8 to 10K range for the diamond only.
Could be convinced to go higher, for the right diamond, as long as we are getting value.

If we were to order from James Allen and get the ring there I think we would go with this one:

https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...solitaire-engagement-ring-by-danhov-item-7225

But if not, then we might consider a custom design.

I also put a feeler out to ID Jewlery per some of the posts on this message board indicating that they offer good prices, and quality.

Thanks in advance for your help!
 
AC76 said:
She's had friends that have had an H Color ring, that doesn't look very good in the daylight, so she is hesitant to go lower than E.
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I could understand that she got turned off by an H color, but trust me that she'll not notice the color on F and up, and even G. F and up, you'll see icy white.
 
 
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You'll want to put on hold your top choices and then request and Idealscope.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4818653
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...d-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4929205
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4770942

This meets your brief fully and is a super-ideal. These will be a "sure thing" though the above are certainly worth pursuing.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3997094.htm

Whiteflash should be able to order this exact setting as they are Danhov dealer.
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...solitaire-engagement-ring-by-danhov-item-7225
 
Of those posted, above, these are my top contenders/vendors.:

https://www.fourmine.com/diamonds/index/diamonddetail/id/1826850480/

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3994064.htm

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9540

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9882

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...1.068-f-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104099153014

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3997094.htm

I believe you will find they all throw off more rainbow flashes of light than white, twinkle scintillation. These puppies will definitely have “WOW” factor.

I have to ask, since this threw me off, what about her friend’s H colored diamond did you find displeasing in natural sunlight? I only ask because most lower colored stones actually pick up more white hues in natural sunlight, and face up whiter in direct sunlight, unless they fluoresce. Most lower colored diamonds show their color indoors, and in soft lighting.
 
Matthews1127 said:
I have to ask, since this threw me off, what about her friend’s H colored diamond did you find displeasing in natural sunlight? I only ask because most lower colored stones actually pick up more white hues in natural sunlight, and face up whiter in direct sunlight, unless they fluoresce. Most lower colored diamonds show their color indoors, and in soft lighting.
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I didn't actually see the diamond. It was just a comment she made when I asked whether we should consider going down a color to get more bang for the buck.
 
AC76 said:
I didn't actually see the diamond. It was just a comment she made when I asked whether we should consider going down a color to get more bang for the buck.
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She's probably color sensitive just as I am. I don't like H, but I have no problem with G and up. You can see the H color from the side/profile angle, and that's generally what other people see from across a table, etc. If you go G and up, it won't be an issue.
 
just to confirm it would be difficult to tell the difference between at .973 carat and a 1 carat diamond
 
AC76 said:
just to confirm it would be difficult to tell the difference between at .973 carat and a 1 carat diamond
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blueMA said:
Go to this site, enter the diamond dimensions, then enter your monitor screen size and it'll be pretty much the same as in life sizes.

https://www.diamdb.com/
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Good suggestion by @blueMA. Keep in mind that because of the way a stone can be cut, a lower weight may actually size up larger than a heavier weight. I will use my own recent experience as an example. I had narrowed my choice between a BGD 0.867ct and WF 0.90ct stone. Due to specific cut and angles, the BGD stone actually measured up slightly larger and was about $1,000 cheaper. Both were superbly cut and while I preferred a higher weight I took the larger dimensions and stuffed the extra savings in my pocket.

For this reason, when you use the site suggested, it's critical you use ACTUAL dimensions. If you just put in the carat weight, the site uses some glorified math to guess at the correct dimensions. While I am sure it is close, it may not give you an accurate representation. So using the actual dimensions avoids all the confusion.
 
sledge said:
Good suggestion by @blueMA.
For this reason, when you use the site suggested, it's critical you use ACTUAL dimensions. If you just put in the carat weight, the site uses some glorified math to guess at the correct dimensions. While I am sure it is close, it may not give you an accurate representation. So using the actual dimensions avoids all the confusion.
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Thanks for the advice. I did as you suggested and plugged in the actual dimensions of a .97 vs a 1.01 and the difference is a .44 mm squared or a 1% top surface area and I couldn't tell the difference which one was bigger.
 
AC76 said:
Thanks for the advice. I did as you suggested and plugged in the actual dimensions of a .97 vs a 1.01 and the difference is a .44 mm squared or a 1% top surface area and I couldn't tell the difference which one was bigger.
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@mistawow
 
AC76 said:
Here is an idealscope image of the 1.01 Carat Round DiamondExcellent Cut E Color VS2 Clarity. How does it look?

1826850480.jpg

here's the video

https://pck2.azureedge.net/hdfile/H...upviewSpeed=30&sideviewSpeed=30&z=0&v=4&s=-10"
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I believe that's the fourmine diamond I've suggested earlier.
It is a good diamond for the price.
The photos are of Hearts and Arrows scope, not Idealscope that shows light leakage.
It has a few slight clefts on the hearts but you won't be able to discern that to the naked eye.
 
Confirmed that the FourMine 1.01 E Color VS2 does not have Idealscope / ASET - do you think that would be a concern?

IDJ will send me some pictures of another possible one tomorrow, and I'll post as soon as I get them.
 
AC76 said:
Confirmed that the FourMine 1.01 E Color VS2 does not have Idealscope / ASET - do you think that would be a concern?

IDJ will send me some pictures of another possible one tomorrow, and I'll post as soon as I get them.
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I expect no leakage of concern based on the available video/proportions.. idealscope isn't necessary.
 
Fourmine one.
 
I just went to the direct link of the Fourmine one and get an error message saying that there was an error processing my request. Also tried searching by sku number and no luck. I've e-mailed them, but I assume that it's been sold already?

Is the one suggested IDJ something I should consider, or keep looking?
 
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