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DiamondPixie

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Dear all, i am very new here. i hope some kind souls can help me out in this tricky situation...

recently my local jeweler brought in some stocks of 2-2.7 cts stones at a low and attractive price.

i manage to secure a good 2.31 ct diamond but the stats are

color: M
Clarity: VS2
Cut: Ex/VG/VG
HCA score: 2.3

1) its a GIA cert and it has a comment that says: " No brown tinge/color present"
what does this mean? i thought brown yellow is going to show in the M color stone?
When compared with a H and I stone, the M color stone does not look yellow at all? Why?

2) Another problem is that this diamond''s diameter is 8.39-8.41mm <------------ this is not a good diameter for the weight right?

3) should i get it? i put a deposit on it and there are other stones flying off the shelves but their stats are poorer after calculating, should i wait for a new batch of 2ct?
but according to the sales person, they cant confirm if more are coming, if it does, the price may not be that good???


suggestions? Comments? THANKS
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post the numbers you entered into the hca please.
 
I forget to bring my handphone out as my jeweler replied my query through my handphone.

here are the stats roughly:

Depth: 63.1% (pretty high number
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Table: 57%
Crown angle: 37
Pavillon%: 42.5%
Culet: none

I''ve seen the stone and it does not show up like an M color at all. I wonder wat does GIA mean when it says "no brown color tinge present"

I think the diameter to weight is not good...=(
 
Date: 5/21/2009 12:03:24 AM
Author: DiamondPixie

I''ve seen the stone and it does not show up like an M color at all. I wonder wat does GIA mean when it says ''no brown color tinge present''

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Basically, it means that there are other possible tones for diamonds - while a brown tinge is the most common, this stone could have more of a grey or steely body color (or, for that matter, a pink, blue, green, any-other-color-a-diamond-might-come-in shade), light enough that it can''t be classed as "fancy" officially.
 
yea the spread is down a bit.
Depending on the actual angles it could be a nice looking diamond.

Spread is about a 2.2ct so if the price is right and really like it after looking at it in a lot of lighting.....

How much is it?
 
Date: 5/21/2009 12:10:15 AM
Author: Circe

Date: 5/21/2009 12:03:24 AM
Author: DiamondPixie

I''ve seen the stone and it does not show up like an M color at all. I wonder wat does GIA mean when it says ''no brown color tinge present''

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Basically, it means that there are other possible tones for diamonds - while a brown tinge is the most common, this stone could have more of a grey or steely body color (or, for that matter, a pink, blue, green, any-other-color-a-diamond-might-come-in shade), light enough that it can''t be classed as ''fancy'' officially.
Woh this sounds very interesting! i am getting more interested in this stone!!!
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I thought GIA will rate diamonds as M because of yellow/brown tinge?

so this M is rated becaouse of a color present? i was very surprise to see the stone not being yellow when put together with a H and I color. i looks different.
 
Date: 5/21/2009 12:15:52 AM
Author: strmrdr
yea the spread is down a bit.
Depending on the actual angles it could be a nice looking diamond.

Spread is about a 2.2ct so if the price is right and really like it after looking at it in a lot of lighting.....

How much is it?
It is about 6k plus. its an incredible offer and stones are flying off the shelves...but the sales person says this one has the more decent price and stats as compared to others...

the spread is disappointing... but my finger is small... ring size is smaller than size 4...
 
price is good...
if you love it after looking at it in a lot of different lighting then go for it.
 
Date: 5/21/2009 12:16:42 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
Date: 5/21/2009 12:10:15 AM

so this M is rated becaouse of a color present? i was very surprise to see the stone not being yellow when put together with a H and I color. i looks different.

Any pigmentation at all can do it, in any tonality - so, how *did* the stone look? For that money at that size, it sounds pretty desirable to me!
 
i am very tempted to get it. however i wonder if the store would bring in more of such stones which allow me to choose. i understand that the stocks are flying. luckily i paid a deposit to secure this first!

but still i hope there''s more stones to choose from. are 2 ct stones very easily available?
 
I really doubt that stocks of 2ct + M colour stones are ''flying off the shelves''. It''s more likely that your jeweller really wants to see you this stone quickly!

Don''t rush into a big puchase, take your time
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Date: 5/21/2009 2:49:33 AM
Author: honey22
I really doubt that stocks of 2ct + M colour stones are ''flying off the shelves''. It''s more likely that your jeweller really wants to see you this stone quickly!

Don''t rush into a big puchase, take your time
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That was what i thought too. i thought it was some marketing strategy... so i sent out "spies" to go other branches to enquire about all the available stocks.my "spies" (my aunt and sister) asked those other salesperson from other branch to check the system and true enough they are sold! the largest one is 2.73 ct L color I1.... its sold, even before i could see it....

i even make calls to other branches (this is a big jeweler with 20 stores all over) giving fake names to get salesperson to check the stones for me.... they came in only about less than 20 pieces and those good deals one are snapped out. leaving those which are higher priced one...

so i was debating on waiting or not. since the stocks are flying, surely there will more coming in but they salesperson kept saying that they cant confirm that there will be more stocks. ( i thought that statement was true as they may not really know since they are not the purchaser)

what should i do? the more i think of 2.31, the more i want to get it... but fearing that there will be stocks!
 
If you want to get it at least see if you can check it out away from the store lights so you can see how it looks, an M colour will show some tint in some lightings.
 
What is the store''s return policy?
Can you return it for your money back, no questions asked?
Some stores charge a stocking fee when you return. Some only give you store credit. I''d avoid those.
If they have a good return policy (get it in writing), go for it. You''ll get some time to really check it out away from the store.
 
Are you sure this is a GIA stone? You posted the % for pavilion not the angle which makes me wonder if another lab graded it?

Karl- if the stone does have a steely grey body color, how does that influence the overall look and light return?
 
Hi yes its from GIA. i forget the pavillon angle but remember the % instead. i didnt have the message with me.

i''m in a big dilemma as this is a tricky situation. Some sales people who purposely hold back certain stones to get the purchasing power. so i cant really trust them. They dont seem to favour transferring the stone to the branch which i put the deposit in...

however is it possible that an M color diamond will not be yellow?
 
Date: 5/21/2009 9:09:37 PM
Author: DiamondPixie
Hi yes its from GIA. i forget the pavillon angle but remember the % instead. i didnt have the message with me.

i''m in a big dilemma as this is a tricky situation. Some sales people who purposely hold back certain stones to get the purchasing power. so i cant really trust them. They dont seem to favour transferring the stone to the branch which i put the deposit in...

however is it possible that an M color diamond will not be yellow?
You looked at it and it wasn''t yellow looking to you right?

I would probably buy it if they have a good return policy (see post above about getting it in writing) and look at it in all different kinds of lighting.

Is this stone for an ering or a RHR?
 
Priced as you say, if I had the funds, and the stone was well-cut, a good performer, and I liked what I saw overall in person, I wouldn''t hesitate to purchase this diamond. Interesting, I''m quite curious to know what the tint is... And, as has been pointed out, the tint on a diamond, although usually brown, yellow or gray, could be just about anything... Have you seen the diamond upside down? What does the color appear to be?
 
RE: the color thing. Most diamonds are off color towards yellow. The next most common off color would be brown or a mix of yellow and brown.

The brownish ones are sometimes called "top browns" if they're below a certain color (ummm, L? I don't remember!)

An M color typically does have visible body color, especially from the side or when placed upside down. I own one, and love it. It is off color towards yellow, not brown, also. It doesn't appear yellow face up to me in most lights- it just has a sort of softer look, sort of steely looking- but from the side you can for sure see the yellow color, and depending on the lighting, it can change drastically.

Jewelry store lighting can be very deceptive. I compared my M color to an H in Tiffany's and they looked the same. In most other lighting situations, the difference would be easily noticeable.

I think you need to like the look of a bit of color in a stone, if you are considering an M. Personally, in antique cuts like the one i wear, I in fact prefer that color range. If you're wanting super white, an M isn't likely to be. For what it's worth, I do think lower colors are fabulous values for those of us who like size and sparkle, but don't care too much about "icy white"... hey, if it's cut well it's going to be just as fiery & sparkly as a higher color stone, and that's what I care about personally.
 
I would love to see a stone of this color with "no brown tinge/color present." Really curious to see what they look like.
 
Were you able to take the stone outside into natural light or did you only see it in jewelry store lighting? Because it will have color to it if it is graded M. You need to see it in other lighting to see how you feel about the color, as someone has already mentioned.
 
Hi Stone Hunter,

Its a e ring.
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Hi Rockit,

when i saw the stone, i forget to turn it upside down to see what color is it. However when faced up comparing with a H stone (the sales person cut 2 holes in a white paper to compare it) it looks almost the same except there is some other color that does not seem yellow. The sales person did say it does not look yellow when he got the stone delivered to him.






LittleGreyKitten,

I do agree with you that there is some color going on in it but it doesnt seem very yellow... however i had no chance to view the stone in natural lighting as i went to the shop during the late evening when the sun has set. Plus when i get out the store its like an open area with dim lightings, didnt get the chance to view it.

i was wondering if the comment by GIA saying that "no brown tinge is present" could this mean that the diamond is purely in the yellow range? or all diamonds below L will be given this comment if it is not a "top brown" ??? i.e. it is just purely yellow?

I'm rather confuse as it does not seem yellow....







Hi Diamondseeker2006,


i will try to bring it out the store today when i pop down but it will be during the night, not sure how it looks like







Hi elle,

if i get the stone, i will surely post pics on it
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I'm just not sure if i am going to make the right decision as the price is so attractive. i was secretly hoping that they will come in more new batches and allow me to choose from it. I wonder if i should wait...
 
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