Gypsy?

[GMAC]

Hi Gypsy,
I have learned so much from reading your posts and you are such a great resource for this forum..I saw your comments on the bright stone and I asked GOG about the girdle and they said 3/4's of the diamond is extremely thin 1.4% thickness and they could work on it to make it very thin, and I said that was still worrisome. They said the following : "The diamond needs a girdle so we are going to send it to be fixed anyways. But the problem is that practiclly the entire diamond industry goes on vacation for the first 2 weeks of July so they are not going to work on it till they get back. Are you out with the others? Can you wait that long?" What exactly does fixed mean? Is it worth waiting for? will it be durable? Thank you so much for your time.

 

[John P]

Hi GMAC. I am not Gypsy, and I am sure she'll chime in. She is indeed one of the best and brightest here. Meanwhile I thought I could address your questions to some degree:

RE Extremely Thin girdle: As an overall descriptor this is a problem. Even Very Thin can be an issue if the entire girdle is VTN. At 1.4% it sounds like yours is XTN in some places and thin in others. I would trust GOG if they say it needs improvement.

RE vacation: Some of the best girdling and polishing is done in Antwerp, and the entire diamond district shuts down for a month in the summer there. It's very possible that's what GOG is referring to, as I know they use only the best cutters.

Here is a chart I created a long time ago to demonstrate how radical the difference between an XTN or VTN girdle is compared to a medium girdle. Original thread is here: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/girdles.66614/

 

[Gypsy]

Hi Gypsy,
I have learned so much from reading your posts and you are such a great resource for this forum..I saw your comments on the bright stone and I asked GOG about the girdle and they said 3/4's of the diamond is extremely thin 1.4% thickness and they could work on it to make it very thin, and I said that was still worrisome. They said the following : "The diamond needs a girdle so we are going to send it to be fixed anyways. But the problem is that practiclly the entire diamond industry goes on vacation for the first 2 weeks of July so they are not going to work on it till they get back. Are you out with the others? Can you wait that long?" What exactly does fixed mean? Is it worth waiting for? will it be durable? Thank you so much for your time.

Thank you John and GMAC.

GMAC, John was very helpful (and always is), and to answer your question: Yes, I think it's worthwhile to have it sent over to the cutters in Antwerp and have them put a girdle on it. Well cut and bright fancy diamonds, like Emerald cuts can be hard to find and that one is a beautiful performer. Since they were going to send it over to have the girdle done anyway, see if you can talk to Jonathan about the pricing of having everything done to it and work something out. Here's my suggestion if everything in terms of pricing works out for you: since they have to wait till the cutters return from their vacations have them send it out to you and see what you think of it in person. If you love it and it's the right stone for you, send it back for a new girdle (you'll lose very minimal weight, a couple points and no spread) and new papers (it will need to be lab graded again after it get the girdle). It should cost you about 80 bucks for the shipping to a fro and it would be worth it for the certainty of knowing if the diamond speaks to you.



I've had girdles put on a couple stones myself and it's a great rehab and totally worth it for stones that are beautiful, but have fixable durability issues.

Are you on a timeline? Because if you aren't on too strict of one, I would go for it. Even if you are on a timeline-- when they send the stone for you, if you love it, you can propose to her with it and then have it sent back for the girdle and setting.

 

[GMAC]

Thank you so much John and Gypsy, I really appreciate the both of you taking the time to respond to my post. GOG did say they needed to send the diamond for fixing anyway so I am not sure how to otherwise interpret this as far as costs are concerned. Both extremely thin and very thin were a issue for me so I was not sure how much better they can improve the girdle, but if it is fixable and will indeed be durable enough to wear on a daily basis and to enjoy for years to come, I will definitely go for it and have a look at the stone. Thank you so very much.

 

[Gypsy]

Thank you so much John and Gypsy, I really appreciate the both of you taking the time to respond to my post. GOG did say they needed to send the diamond for fixing anyway so I am not sure how to otherwise interpret this as far as costs are concerned. Both extremely thin and very thin were a issue for me so I was not sure how much better they can improve the girdle, but if it is fixable and will indeed be durable enough to wear on a daily basis and to enjoy for years to come, I will definitely go for it and have a look at the stone. Thank you so very much.

It's totally fixable with a good cutter. Just ask them to put a secure girdle on it and talk to them about the pricing. Keep up updated on your search and please come back with pics of your final purchase, whatever it may be. I know you are going to end up with something really lovely.

 

[GMAC]

I emailed about costs and outcome yesterday and I received this email today : "We can only try. I don’t know what the outcome would be if we could get that much of a girdle. Were gonna do it anyways. If you want to wait till then or just pick something else it’s up to you. " It did not sound too reassuring.