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Great Article About White Privilege

Thank you.
 
Terrific article. Thanks you for posting.
Years ago I was driving in Puerto Rico with my husband. We were driving along, at the speed limit, when a police car passed us with lights and siren blaring. We were thinking, wow who are they after, when the car slowed down, came even with us, then slowed down some more to get behind us. Suddenly, we were the ones pulled over for "speeding." We got a pretty hefty ticket and I was really angry. My sweet husband looked at me and said that it was totally worth it to know how it felt to be discriminated against. Made me feel ashamed of my anger.
 
I'd change the title to.include "Male."

I've had enough sexism in my life, it never mattered what color someone/some corporation assumed I was, the fact that I'm female was the driver there. I have NOTHING in common with white GUYS.
 
Including taking an expensive 'beat down' from the local police when a *man*, 42 years old and white, decided to point at me to take the blame for a non-existant door ding (my lawyer and I viewed the car in the courthouse parking lot).

The police never examined the man's car. They didn't check myy spotless personal record and 38-year driving history. On only the strength of a man's phone call to the police, I had (advice of my lawyer {$7500}) to pay him for body work that was never done and a week of luxury SUV rental that was never rented.

The man saw me in the parking lot of the pizza joint I picked up pizza to go.

I don't go out with my diamonds on anymore; made me an immediate target without my husband present.

Two lawyers told me I should be grateful the cops didn't beat or shoot me and just pay. They also said if I didn't pay, this man had my home address and name, thanks to the police.
 
So you'll excuse me for being no fan of the police.
 
Also a few things I have read or experienced: If you don't have to explain to your white sons how to walk through their/white neighborhood in order to not be accosted or worse, then you have white privilege, if you have to explain to your black child to not walk around with a hoodie up then you have white privilege. White privilege is so embedded in our country I have no idea how we can get rid of it sadly.

Matata said:
http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-p...ite-privilege-i-decided-to-be-honest-20170809
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Nowadays, I would feel sorry for being white in this country.
 
azstonie said:
So you'll excuse me for being no fan of the police.
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I hope you'll never need help from a police officer.
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Dancing Fire said:
Nowadays, I would feel sorry for being white in this country.
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It's horrible, just horrible.
The only thing that would make me feel better is a 2.38 ct Octavia. :cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2:
 
kenny said:
It's horrible, just horrible.
The only thing that would make me feel better is a 2.38 ct Octavia. :cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2:
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Shame on you Kenny:nono::naughty:...that would be considered as "white privilege" :!:
 
Dancing Fire said:
Shame on you Kenny:nono::naughty:...that would be considered as "white privilege" :!:
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But I'm white.
That means, I DESERVE your huge honking Octavia.

DF, this is your opportunity to make everything right in America and indeed in the world.
 
Dancing Fire said:
I hope you'll never need help from a police officer.
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O.M.Gosh I was so hoping this would get said to me: I have NEVER had to call the cops. I've either had to take it or fix it myself. I had 0 assistance from cops when I was assaulted at 18 years old, I had 0 assistance from the cops when my parents hit me from age 2-17, and I had no assistance from the cops when other 'problems ' presented themselves to me.

Lol, the day I call the cops expecting them to take care of me is the day I stand on the corner distributing my retirement savings in $20 bills to GUYS:lol-2::lol-2::lol-2:

Now run along and make your wife's lunch for work on Monday. Oh, right, after you're done making your big donation to police-related charities. Oh, DF, love ya!!!!
 
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azstonie said:
Including taking an expensive 'beat down' from the local police when a *man*, 42 years old and white, decided to point at me to take the blame for a non-existant door ding (my lawyer and I viewed the car in the courthouse parking lot).

The police never examined the man's car. They didn't check myy spotless personal record and 38-year driving history. On only the strength of a man's phone call to the police, I had (advice of my lawyer {$7500}) to pay him for body work that was never done and a week of luxury SUV rental that was never rented.

The man saw me in the parking lot of the pizza joint I picked up pizza to go.

I don't go out with my diamonds on anymore; made me an immediate target without my husband present.

Two lawyers told me I should be grateful the cops didn't beat or shoot me and just pay. They also said if I didn't pay, this man had my home address and name, thanks to the police.
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I understand you...

There was a moment in my life when I changed my schedule and, having dropped my kid off at the school bus stop, would drive back home to have breakfast and take a shower. The neighbors across the street did not register it. Once they invited landscapers who left the car just next to the bushes forming a square on the side of my driveway - not in the driveway, but behind the bushes and making it difficult for me to take a turn, much less see them. I, not knowing and pulling backwards, hit the front of their truck.

I was sick and tired of everyone coming to the neighbors leaving their cars at that very spot, their guests, their relatives, basically, exactly in my "blind spot", my territory, too...anyhow, me and the landscaper started arguing (his car did not have a single scratch), then the neighbor supported him. I took out my camera to make a photo (I wanted to make a picture to prove that the way he stood, I could not even pull out of the garage in a safe manner). The landscaper called the police and said that there was an argument over the accident.

The policeman came, an old guy, took one look ... and lectured me...for a long time... on how one should not be calling the police if the accident did not happen on the public road. (It was not me who called, he was aware of it. And if it was not on a public road, why even come? Merely for a male show of support). So he showed his support, and left. After that, I looked at the landscaper and said, "oh, I bet you would not be calling the police if you spoke with my husband. You just hate me because I am a woman and an immigrant". "No," he said, "it is you who hate me because you live in this area and I am a simple working man". He left, and I asked his buddy, "why is your boss so angry? Bad day, or is he always like it?" He said, "no, he is not angry, he is scared of you suing him. He does not own this business, and it was me driving the car".
 
Thanks for sharing this link Matata.

Yes it is real and it sucks. And it isn't changing any time soon. My good friend Julius always shared stories with me how whenever he tried to get a cab drivers with empty cars just drove past him. This was in NYC in the 80s and 90s. He is a black professional. A doctor. UNfreakingbelievable. He has since moved so no more cab driver stories but I don't doubt they still hold true for young (and older) black people here.

Same with many of my other friends just in different forms of prejudice. Some overt and some less so. All insidious and damaging to our country. So terribly SAD in this day and age.

Like Kristie I have experienced prejudices as well due to being a woman and well when I was younger it was even worse as I always looked much younger than my age and there is a whole other set of prejudices associated with that. Being a young woman. Especially in the 80s and 90s and I am not sure much has improved today.

Being Jewish I also have experienced prejudices associated with that. However that is a different thing than being black. Being black (or latino or asian etc) is visible immediately so that is an immediate prejudice to those who hate or are fearful of people who they perceive as "different". So while I most definitely experience prejudice because I am Jewish on an almost regular basis it is very different than if my "perceived differences" were more visible if you kwim.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2015/05/religion-prejudice.aspx

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/a-threat-to-a-religious-center-should-be-a-hate-crime/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/nyregion/racially-charged-attack-slurs-cornell.html?

You hear people say, ‘It’s in an Ivy League institution, aren’t people smarter than that? Aren’t people liberal there?’” Ms. Celestin said.

The fact that this vulnerability surprises them, she said, speaks to their privilege. “That speaks to white supremacy,” she said.

“I don’t think Cornell University is a hotbed of racial prejudice,” said Ithaca’s mayor, Svante L. Myrick, who is also a 2009 Cornell graduate. “I also don’t think it’s a haven of colorblind, class-blind intellectuals. I think it’s a part of America and it’s got all of the complicated problems that America does.”
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When I was thirty I decided to switch careers and become a social worker. I was required to take a class called "Institutional Racism". Social work interns do two years of field work as part of getting their masters degrees. My first year I was placed at a prestigious hospital in New York City. For my Institutional Racism class I was required to write a paper about an example of institutional racism in my placement. I remember choosing the elevators. There were two sets of elevators, the ones for the public and the ones for freight. The ones for the public were the ones we, the staff of the Social Service department, used. We wore white lab coats like the other professionals. The ones for freight were used by people who did jobs like cleaning and keeping the machinery working. Back then in the 1980's there were few black and brown faces in the elevators for the professionals and the public. (This was in the North Bronx and was a private hospital. I was to have the experience of escorting a patient to a city hospital nearby and to see the huge difference in how a patient was treated there. If he was poor and went to a city hospital, he was lucky to betreated at all!)

No one said that only white people could use the banks of elevators reserved for the public. However, white people rode there. Black and brown people generally rode with the buckets and mops and the trays and the equipment.

AGBF
 
missy said:
Thanks for sharing this link Matata.

Yes it is real and it sucks. And it isn't changing any time soon. My good friend Julius always shared stories with me how whenever he tried to get a cab drivers with empty cars just drove past him. This was in NYC in the 80s and 90s. He is a black professional. A doctor. UNfreakingbelievable. He has since moved so no more cab driver stories but I don't doubt they still hold true for young (and older) black people here.

Same with many of my other friends just in different forms of prejudice. Some overt and some less so. All insidious and damaging to our country. So terribly SAD in this day and age.

Like Kristie I have experienced prejudices as well due to being a woman and well when I was younger it was even worse as I always looked much younger than my age and there is a whole other set of prejudices associated with that. Being a young woman. Especially in the 80s and 90s and I am not sure much has improved today.

Being Jewish I also have experienced prejudices associated with that. However that is a different thing than being black. Being black (or latino or asian etc) is visible immediately so that is an immediate prejudice to those who hate or are fearful of people who they perceive as "different". So while I most definitely experience prejudice because I am Jewish on an almost regular basis it is very different than if my "perceived differences" were more visible if you kwim.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2015/05/religion-prejudice.aspx

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/a-threat-to-a-religious-center-should-be-a-hate-crime/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/nyregion/racially-charged-attack-slurs-cornell.html?
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This I have seen in action.

One of my grandfather's, the only one I ever knew, was Jewish. A surgeon, highly decorated for the war, 37 awards, high orders, no small thing. He is now on all Russian war memorial lists and what he did is mentioned as "heroism". But he also looked very Jewish. Never being religious, having married a Russian woman, never feeling specifically Jewish, just the looks.

And I remember last time he and grandma visited us, we went to a good theater, and he was trying to hail a taxicab afterwards, and none was stopping. So, here stands the old guy with all these service bars, you could see a lot of them in Moscow at that time, basically, having once fought for all these drivers, for all of us to live, and these guys swerved, they wanted him to see, and no one stopped.

And then I tried, I was fifteen, i think, blonde, very Slavic-looking, and in a second, someone stopped.

How did he feel? I think, horribly, I felt very ashamed, but I think, he got used to it. Maybe like old black folks here, they probably got used. But it is good that young people do not, that they protest, for one thing, in essence - being viewed as equal human beings. Because any form of discrimination on the base of race or ethnicity is so base.
 
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Dancing Fire said:
Work ??? What does that word mean?...:confused2:. We have "yellow privilege"...:praise: better than "white privilege"!

https://www.financialsamurai.com/income-by-race-why-is-asian-income-so-high/
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I live in the place where Asians might be a majority - in my kid's school, about 65% are Asian. What is happening is very interesting, people stop noticing the difference between the two races, my brain is not registering it now. And of course, people mix and merge.

But apart from bad treatment of Japanese Americans, Asians were never subjected to this horrible segregation. They started settling on the West Coast and in Hawaii, and much as there probably was certain discrimination in the beginning of the XX century, on the West Coast it was never institutionalized. No one could make different toilets, like in the South, "for whites only" and "for the coloreds". It makes a lot of difference when segregation is institutionalized and allowed by the state.
 
Arkteia said:
I live in the place where Asians might be a majority - in my kid's school, about 65% are Asian. What is happening is very interesting, people stop noticing the difference between the two races, my brain is not registering it now. And of course, people mix and merge.

But apart from bad treatment of Japanese Americans, Asians were never subjected to this horrible segregation. They started settling on the West Coast and in Hawaii, and much as there probably was certain discrimination in the beginning of the XX century, on the West Coast it was never institutionalized. No one could make different toilets, like in the South, "for whites only" and "for the coloreds". It makes a lot of difference when segregation is institutionalized and allowed by the state.
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A little research goes a long way. From asiasociety.org:

In response to the challenge of changing demographics more than a century ago, the San Francisco School Board established a segregated Chinese Primary School for Chinese children to attend, including those who were American-born. By the turn-of-the century after Japanese immigrants had settled in the wake of Chinese exclusion, the School Board also applied the Chinese segregation policy to Japanese students. School superintendent, Aaron Altmann, advised the city's principals: "Any child that may apply for enrollment or at present attends your school who may be designated under the head of 'Mongolian' must be excluded, and in furtherance of this please direct them to apply at the Chinese School for enrollment."

Throughout their history, Asian Americans have confronted a long legacy of exclusion and inequity in relation to school policies and practices, particularly during periods of changing demographics, economic recession, or war. In spite of historic, linguistic differences, distinct Asian nationalities have been grouped together and treated similarly in schools and in the larger society. The grouping of Asian Americans together, then, makes sense in light of historic links from the past to the present.

Beginning in the 1850s when young single men were recruited as contract laborers from Southern China, Asian immigrants have played a vital role in the development of this country. Working as miners, railroad builders, farmers, factory workers, and fishermen, the Chinese represented 20% of California's labor force by 1870, even though they constituted only .002% of the entire United States population. With the depression of 1876, amidst cries of "They're taking away our jobs!," anti-Chinese legislation and violence raged throughout the West Coast.

In 1882, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act—the only United States Iaw to prevent immigration and naturalization on the basis of race—which restricted Chinese immigration for the next sixty years. The "Chinese Must Go" movement was so strong that Chinese immigration to the United States declined from 39,500 in 1882 to only 10 in 1887.

By 1885, following Chinese Exclusion Act, large numbers of young Japanese laborers, together with smaller numbers of Koreans and Indians, began arriving on the West Coast where they replaced the Chinese as cheap labor in building railroads, farming, and fishing. Growing anti-Japanese legislation and violence soon followed. In 1907, Japanese immigration was restricted by a "Gentleman's Agreement" between the United States and Japan.

Small numbers of Korean immigrants came to Hawaii and then the mainland United States following the 1904-1905 Russo-Japanese War and Japan's occupation of Korea. Serving as strike-breakers, railroad builders, and agricultural workers, Korean immigrants faced not only racist exclusion in the United States but Japanese colonization at home. Some Korean patriots also settled in the United States as political exiles and organized for Korean independence.

South Asian Indian immigrants also entered the United States as laborers, following Chinese exclusion. Recruited initially by Canadian-Pacific railroad companies, a few thousand Sikh immigrants from the Punjabi region immigrated to Canada which, like India, was part of the British empire. Later, many migrated into the Pacific Northwest and California, and became farm laborers. Ironically decried as a "Hindu invasion" by exclusionists and white labor, the "tide of the Turbans" was outlawed in 1917 when Congress declared that India was part of the Pacific-Barred Zone of excluded Asian countries.

By 1924, with the exception of Filipino "nationals," all Asian immigrants, including Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Indians were fully excluded by law, denied citizenship and naturalization, and prevented from marrying Caucasians or owning land.

With all other Asians excluded, thousands of young, single Filipinos began migrating in large numbers to the West Coast during the 1920s to work in farms and canneries, filling the continuing need for cheap labor. Filipinos were not legally excluded by the immigration laws because the Philippines was already annexed by the United States as a result of the 1898 Spanish-American War. Racism and economic competition, intensified by the depression of 1929, however, led to severe anti-Filipino violence and passage of the Tydings-McDuffie Act of 1935 which placed an annual quota of fifty on Filipino migration—effectively excluding their entry as well. During the half century from 1882 to 1935, three waves of early Asian immigrants contributed their labor to the building of this country but were eventually denied entry and not granted naturalization rights until 1952. Though coming from different countries and cultures, the pioneering Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, and Filipinos each faced similar conditions of exclusion which forged the beginnings of a common, shared Asian experience in America.​
 
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t-c said:
A little research goes a long way. From asiasociety.org:

In response to the challenge of changing demographics more than a century ago, the San Francisco School Board established a segregated Chinese Primary School for Chinese children to attend, including those who were American-born. By the turn-of-the century after Japanese immigrants had settled in the wake of Chinese exclusion, the School Board also applied the Chinese segregation policy to Japanese students. School superintendent, Aaron Altmann, advised the city's principals: "Any child that may apply for enrollment or at present attends your school who may be designated under the head of 'Mongolian' must be excluded, and in furtherance of this please direct them to apply at the Chinese School for enrollment."

Throughout their history, Asian Americans have confronted a long legacy of exclusion and inequity in relation to school policies and practices, particularly during periods of changing demographics, economic recession, or war. In spite of historic, linguistic differences, distinct Asian nationalities have been grouped together and treated similarly in schools and in the larger society. The grouping of Asian Americans together, then, makes sense in light of historic links from the past to the present.

Beginning in the 1850s when young single men were recruited as contract laborers from Southern China, Asian immigrants have played a vital role in the development of this country. Working as miners, railroad builders, farmers, factory workers, and fishermen, the Chinese represented 20% of California's labor force by 1870, even though they constituted only .002% of the entire United States population. With the depression of 1876, amidst cries of "They're taking away our jobs!," anti-Chinese legislation and violence raged throughout the West Coast.

In 1882, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act—the only United States Iaw to prevent immigration and naturalization on the basis of race—which restricted Chinese immigration for the next sixty years. The "Chinese Must Go" movement was so strong that Chinese immigration to the United States declined from 39,500 in 1882 to only 10 in 1887.

By 1885, following Chinese Exclusion Act, large numbers of young Japanese laborers, together with smaller numbers of Koreans and Indians, began arriving on the West Coast where they replaced the Chinese as cheap labor in building railroads, farming, and fishing. Growing anti-Japanese legislation and violence soon followed. In 1907, Japanese immigration was restricted by a "Gentleman's Agreement" between the United States and Japan.

Small numbers of Korean immigrants came to Hawaii and then the mainland United States following the 1904-1905 Russo-Japanese War and Japan's occupation of Korea. Serving as strike-breakers, railroad builders, and agricultural workers, Korean immigrants faced not only racist exclusion in the United States but Japanese colonization at home. Some Korean patriots also settled in the United States as political exiles and organized for Korean independence.

South Asian Indian immigrants also entered the United States as laborers, following Chinese exclusion. Recruited initially by Canadian-Pacific railroad companies, a few thousand Sikh immigrants from the Punjabi region immigrated to Canada which, like India, was part of the British empire. Later, many migrated into the Pacific Northwest and California, and became farm laborers. Ironically decried as a "Hindu invasion" by exclusionists and white labor, the "tide of the Turbans" was outlawed in 1917 when Congress declared that India was part of the Pacific-Barred Zone of excluded Asian countries.

By 1924, with the exception of Filipino "nationals," all Asian immigrants, including Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Indians were fully excluded by law, denied citizenship and naturalization, and prevented from marrying Caucasians or owning land.

With all other Asians excluded, thousands of young, single Filipinos began migrating in large numbers to the West Coast during the 1920s to work in farms and canneries, filling the continuing need for cheap labor. Filipinos were not legally excluded by the immigration laws because the Philippines was already annexed by the United States as a result of the 1898 Spanish-American War. Racism and economic competition, intensified by the depression of 1929, however, led to severe anti-Filipino violence and passage of the Tydings-McDuffie Act of 1935 which placed an annual quota of fifty on Filipino migration—effectively excluding their entry as well. During the half century from 1882 to 1935, three waves of early Asian immigrants contributed their labor to the building of this country but were eventually denied entry and not granted naturalization rights until 1952. Though coming from different countries and cultures, the pioneering Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, and Filipinos each faced similar conditions of exclusion which forged the beginnings of a common, shared Asian experience in America.​
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Thank you very much, t-c. Very interesting facts, and actually it might help me in other discussions.

In your opinion, was the segregation of the Asians comparable to the segregation of the blacks in the South? And is there any data about the attitude to the Asians in the South?

I just want to compare the situation.
 
We had the White Australia Policy in Australia. People feared and hated Asians for a long time here. As I child in a rural school I was discriminated against by the whites for looking too Asian and by the Aboriginal kids for looking Asian. Everyone picked on the different looking kid in the minority (despite having both white and Aboriginal relatives).....

I shudder to think of what it would be like to live day in day out in a discriminated minority in the US.
 
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