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FB.

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Not all of the Pricescope members are fortunate enough to live in North America, so we have to often "screen" diamonds from only partial information. As one of these less-fortunate people, I find it frustrating - both from the lack of information provided by vendors and from the tendency of people to demand images (which aren't easy to obtain outside the US) before they'll even dare to make a comment on a stone.

But I am confident that there must be ways to "screen" out stones, to try to dramatically improve the chances of a good stone, even if information is patchy.

For example....

It seems as if stones with Excellent polish have a high chance of being a good performer. Excellent symmetry also seems to have a small positive effect.
Perhaps because the cutter felt that the stone was worth the extra effort, he spent the time on a higher polish.

It also seems as if stones with partial information - such as table and depth - that fall within AGA's 1A-1B cut grade, also have a higher-than-average chance of being a winner.
Perhaps because the general proportions are conducive to a good performance.

It also seems as if stones that are a noticeable amount (e.g. 5%) above a carat-weight boundary, have a higher chance of being good performers.
Perhaps the cutter had enough extra weight to play with to make an attractive stone without falling on the wrong side of a magic weight boundary line (e.g. 0.5ct, 1.0ct).

So, I reckon that if only partial information is available for an unseen online stone, the odds of picking a good one are improved dramatically by looking for:

Polish: Ex
Symmetry: VG-Ex
Table: within AGA grade 1A-1B
Depth: within AGA grade 1A-1B
Girdle: within AGA grade 1A-1B
Carat weight: 5% or more above a magic weight number

Bear in mind that I'm especially thinking of ways to determine whether it's worth travelling many miles to view a stone, or whether it's worth having a stone shipped for personal inspection/approval/rejection before buying.

What do the PS members think?
 
Date: 9/16/2009 9:09:25 AM
Author:FB.

What do the PS members think?
I think PA''s are critical. Without them, this is what you could get going just on your screening criteria.
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http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-2104641.htm#
 
Hi FB,

Since you are looking for a princess-cut, I would not necessarily work with the AGA-charts. They offer kind of a guideline on traditional princess-cuts, but are outdated by the newer AGS-0-graded princesses.

Live long,
 
Date: 9/16/2009 9:27:37 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Hi FB,

Since you are looking for a princess-cut, I would not necessarily work with the AGA-charts. They offer kind of a guideline on traditional princess-cuts, but are outdated by the newer AGS-0-graded princesses.

Live long,
Ah, that bit of info would make my example moot. I did not know this, nor see it mentioned.
 
Paul & Ellen

I'm not necessarily looking for any particular shape (although I have a princess thread running at the moment); I'm trying to find shortcuts towards above-average stones where more detailed information is missing.
I'm more of an opportunist diamond buyer; when a nice stone appears at a sensible price, I take it and make use of it, whatever the shape.

For example, "steep-deep" stones are often frowned upon. But some time ago, I acquired a very nice GIA-cert "steep-deep" (borderline GIA-Ex/VG) that "ticks most of my boxes":

Table: 56%
Depth: 62.8%
Crown angle: 35.5'
Pavilion agle: 41.2'
Girdle: medium-sl.thick
Polish: Ex
Symm: Ex
Carat weight: 1.03

This stone doesn't show noticeable leakage at the edges of the table and believe me; I've looked hard. The stone is very pleasing to look at.
 
What is the LGF for that example stone?
 
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