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soldat88

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So still very overwhelmed, but based off my last post, narrowed down my criteria to the following and now just need suggestions on the stone to purchase, please suggest away and hopefully I can get a consensus by the end of the week!

Budget: 17-25k
Certification: GIA
Shape: Round
Carats: 2+
Cut: Excellent (3X)
Clarity: Eye Clean, SI1+ (would prefer no inclusions on the table)
Color: H+

The stone will be set in a Mark Morrell Petite Torchiere (or very similar custom made in the diamond district)
Thanks Again!
 
In your specs:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3198013.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/2-05ct-h-si1-superior-round-hearts-and-arrows-diamond.html

Drop to an I color and you get some real size for your money:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/2-4ct-i-si1-premium-round-ideal-cut-diamond.html

At your budget range (exalted!) don't mess around the rabble, get an AGS-0 Ideal Cut diamond from a premium dealer that sells very few, very excellent diamonds.
 
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R205-AXKTGX

This is still my favorite one for what you're looking for. Bottom end of budget while still getting a white diamond at G color, great images showing very good light return and very good optical symmetry in the hearts and arrows, medium fluoro which will help it look even whiter in UV lighting if there is any tint of yellow at all, twinning wisps that are mostly at the periphery and are usually pretty tough to see so this is likely eye clean. Priced much cheaper than it is at another PS vendor. Free return shipping if for some reason you don't like it. If it were me this would he high on my list to at least get an in person look at. I would be taking it to an appraiser to ask their opinion of the stone and specifically if any of the inclusions are having an effect on light transmission. Have you asked an enchanted rep about this stone? Is there something about it you don't like?
 
danielxlin|1431967888|3878080 said:
In your specs:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3198013.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/2-05ct-h-si1-superior-round-hearts-and-arrows-diamond.html

Drop to an I color and you get some real size for your money:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/2-4ct-i-si1-premium-round-ideal-cut-diamond.html

At your budget range (exalted!) don't mess around the rabble, get an AGS-0 Ideal Cut diamond from a premium dealer that sells very few, very excellent diamonds.
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I'd rule out the whiteflash one as it does not meet your eye clean requirements and looks like the inclusions are predominantly under the table. Not sure on the eye cleanliness of the GOG stone, and I'm not sure if they mark that online always so you'd probably want to call and ask about that.
 
danielxlin, thanks for the recommendations, but I'd like to stick with the GIA certifications. Question on that; if I receive a stone with AGS certification, would i be able to send it to GIA and then return it to the vendor if I am unhappy with the GIA report?

Pfunk, the stone you posted is deffinitley a contender, but they won't let me see it in store and am worried about the med-blue fluoresence. How do you think it compares to the 2.2ct stone I posted above?
 
soldat88|1431971413|3878095 said:
danielxlin, thanks for the recommendations, but I'd like to stick with the GIA certifications. Question on that; if I receive a stone with AGS certification, would i be able to send it to GIA and then return it to the vendor if I am unhappy with the GIA report?

Pfunk, the stone you posted is deffinitley a contender, but they won't let me see it in store and am worried about the med-blue fluoresence. How do you think it compares to the 2.2ct stone I posted above?
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The medium blue will have no negative effects on the diamond so I wouldn't worry about it AT ALL. Only issue would be if you don't want to see the diamond have a faint glow when under very intense UV lighting like black lights. Even with very strong fluorescence, negative effects are uncommon. The fluorescence does help the price though!

The diamond may be overseas if they are unable to get it in for you to see in store. It still shows as having a 30 day return policy though, with free return shipping if you don't like it.

I personally would MUCH prefer the 2.05 G over the stone you posted. The 2.2 ct is overkill on clarity and has angles that don't work as well together. While the ASET looks decent, there are definite areas of cut inconsistency. It is certainly inferior to the 2.05 as far as cut goes. I think the 2.05 carat looks to be cut very, very well. If you compare it to the images of some of the branded superideals such as the whiteflash A Cut Above or the Good Old Gold superior rounds you can see that the ASET looks similar. Minor differences on ASET, but really large price difference to get those branded cuts. If upgrade and buy back policies were more important to you, then the branded cuts start to have some more advantages that you have to weigh, but if this is a stone that will be held onto those policies become less of a factor.
 
AGS Ideal is a far more demanding hurdle than GIA Excellent. I think 100% of AGS-Ideal diamonds will also be GIA triple excellent. A small percentage (certainly not the majority, maybe 25%?) of GIA triple excellent diamonds would qualify for AGS Ideal light performance.

That's why the best most prestigious vendors--White Flash, High Performance Diamonds, Brian Gavin--stock AGS Ideal diamonds. Basically almost all the branded "super-ideal" diamonds are certified by AGS. I'm not sure why you would categorically exclude the best cut diamonds on the market.
 
pfunk|1431969356|3878089 said:
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R205-AXKTGX

This is still my favorite one for what you're looking for. Bottom end of budget while still getting a white diamond at G color, great images showing very good light return and very good optical symmetry in the hearts and arrows, medium fluoro which will help it look even whiter in UV lighting if there is any tint of yellow at all, twinning wisps that are mostly at the periphery and are usually pretty tough to see so this is likely eye clean. Priced much cheaper than it is at another PS vendor. Free return shipping if for some reason you don't like it. If it were me this would he high on my list to at least get an in person look at. I would be taking it to an appraiser to ask their opinion of the stone and specifically if any of the inclusions are having an effect on light transmission. Have you asked an enchanted rep about this stone? Is there something about it you don't like?
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Hell of a good price.
 
danielxlin|1431973604|3878108 said:
AGS Ideal is a far more demanding hurdle than GIA Excellent. I think 100% of AGS-Ideal diamonds will also be GIA triple excellent. A small percentage (certainly not the majority, maybe 25%?) of GIA triple excellent diamonds would qualify for AGS Ideal light performance.

That's why the best most prestigious vendors--White Flash, High Performance Diamonds, Brian Gavin--stock AGS Ideal diamonds. Basically almost all the branded "super-ideal" diamonds are certified by AGS. I'm not sure why you would categorically exclude the best cut diamonds on the market.
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Hi Daniel,

Just wanted to clarify. Not all AGS Ideal Cuts meet GIA Ex standards. While AGS is the more conservative grading system of the 2, there are differences between the two systems that would disqualify a number of AGS Ideal cuts from making GIA Ex.

Regarding GIA Ex's making AGS Ideal ... I'd venture to say that the number is less than 25%. Most are cut to maximize weight.

Regards,
Rhino
 
Rhino|1432057062|3878552 said:
danielxlin|1431973604|3878108 said:
AGS Ideal is a far more demanding hurdle than GIA Excellent. I think 100% of AGS-Ideal diamonds will also be GIA triple excellent. A small percentage (certainly not the majority, maybe 25%?) of GIA triple excellent diamonds would qualify for AGS Ideal light performance.

That's why the best most prestigious vendors--White Flash, High Performance Diamonds, Brian Gavin--stock AGS Ideal diamonds. Basically almost all the branded "super-ideal" diamonds are certified by AGS. I'm not sure why you would categorically exclude the best cut diamonds on the market.
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Hi Daniel,

Just wanted to clarify. Not all AGS Ideal Cuts meet GIA Ex standards. While AGS is the more conservative grading system of the 2, there are differences between the two systems that would disqualify a number of AGS Ideal cuts from making GIA Ex.

Regarding GIA Ex's making AGS Ideal ... I'd venture to say that the number is less than 25%. Most are cut to maximize weight.

Regards,
Rhino
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True, for example AGS 0 can have very small table sizes that GIA does not accept.
there are comparison charts here - the AGS charts may not be dead on as they use 3D scan data and AGS PGS - these are recommendations to manufacturers for cutting rules. there are a few different charts on the links there. AGS (like HCA) accepts some shallower proportion sets than GIA X. http://www.octonus.com/oct/mss/gia-agspgs.phtml
 
I'll rephrase: According to the professionals the vast majority of AGS Ideal diamonds would also be graded GIA excellent cut. The majority of GIA excellent cut, however, wouldn't also qualify for AGS Ideal.

Seems significant to me. I'd play the safer percentages, if budget allows.
 
Garry H (Cut Nut)|1432183985|3879471 said:
Rhino|1432057062|3878552 said:
danielxlin|1431973604|3878108 said:
AGS Ideal is a far more demanding hurdle than GIA Excellent. I think 100% of AGS-Ideal diamonds will also be GIA triple excellent. A small percentage (certainly not the majority, maybe 25%?) of GIA triple excellent diamonds would qualify for AGS Ideal light performance.

That's why the best most prestigious vendors--White Flash, High Performance Diamonds, Brian Gavin--stock AGS Ideal diamonds. Basically almost all the branded "super-ideal" diamonds are certified by AGS. I'm not sure why you would categorically exclude the best cut diamonds on the market.
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Hi Daniel,

Just wanted to clarify. Not all AGS Ideal Cuts meet GIA Ex standards. While AGS is the more conservative grading system of the 2, there are differences between the two systems that would disqualify a number of AGS Ideal cuts from making GIA Ex.

Regarding GIA Ex's making AGS Ideal ... I'd venture to say that the number is less than 25%. Most are cut to maximize weight.

Regards,
Rhino
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True, for example AGS 0 can have very small table sizes that GIA does not accept.
there are comparison charts here - the AGS charts may not be dead on as they use 3D scan data and AGS PGS - these are recommendations to manufacturers for cutting rules. there are a few different charts on the links there. AGS (like HCA) accepts some shallower proportion sets than GIA X. http://www.octonus.com/oct/mss/gia-agspgs.phtml
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Thanks for the link to the reference tables, Garry, very useful! :))
 
danielxlin|1432206619|3879518 said:
I'll rephrase: According to the professionals the vast majority of AGS Ideal diamonds would also be graded GIA excellent cut. The majority of GIA excellent cut, however, wouldn't also qualify for AGS Ideal.

Seems significant to me. I'd play the safer percentages, if budget allows.
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Well said :-)
 
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