Female Mccain''s VP pick

[luckystar112]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:48:30 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/12/2008 1:41:58 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Sure, if God is always right for her then why would she shy away from her active church involvement during her time of building a political career? If you truly believe your religion you would not disassociate yourself with your church in the time you think it works AGAINST you, and then come back to sell religion when it serves you.

Personally, I have doubt about her judgment partly because of the fact that she decided to get pregnant at the age of mid-40th (especially when she already has several children). While it is her ''right'' the get pregnant, the health risk to the baby is well-established in the medical literature and significant. It is like feeding your baby an expire can of baby food - knowing the high risk to baby''s health but still do it anyways for your own pleasure.

The issue is not that her keeps a baby with Dawn syndrome, the issue is that she did not have the sound judgment to decide against ''getting pregnant'' (does she not believe in birth control? are we going to have a pregnant VP in the next few years if she got elected? scary though) when she already has a large family.

I would be careful judging mothers who become pregnant after 40, as I think some PSers are in that boat and wouldn''t want to be compared to ''feeding your baby an expire(d) can of baby food.''

Halle Berry & Nicole Kidman did it & they''re just fine.

Pink highlighted part: Agreed. Wow is all I can say.

Yellow highlighted part: You mean like Obama did?

 

[joflier]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:41:58 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Sure, if God is always right for her then why would she shy away from her active church involvement during her time of building a political career? If you truly believe your religion you would not disassociate yourself with your church in the time you think it works AGAINST you, and then come back to sell religion when it serves you.

Personally, I have doubt about her judgment partly because of the fact that she decided to get pregnant at the age of mid-40th (especially when she already has several children). While it is her 'right' the get pregnant, the health risk to the baby is well-established in the medical literature and significant. It is like feeding your baby an expire can of baby food - knowing the high risk to baby's health but still do it anyways for your own pleasure.

The issue is not that her keeps a baby with Dawn syndrome, the issue is that she did not have the sound judgment to decide against 'getting pregnant' (does she not believe in birth control? are we going to have a pregnant VP in the next few years if she got elected? scary though) when she already has a large family.

I'm seeing some poor judgement and its not coming from palin.
I don't think I understand why it matters how big her family is?
And I do believe there is an enitre thread dedicated to those who have gotten pregnant while on BC. It happens.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:56:59 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/12/2008 1:48:30 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/12/2008 1:41:58 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Sure, if God is always right for her then why would she shy away from her active church involvement during her time of building a political career? If you truly believe your religion you would not disassociate yourself with your church in the time you think it works AGAINST you, and then come back to sell religion when it serves you.

Personally, I have doubt about her judgment partly because of the fact that she decided to get pregnant at the age of mid-40th (especially when she already has several children). While it is her 'right' the get pregnant, the health risk to the baby is well-established in the medical literature and significant. It is like feeding your baby an expire can of baby food - knowing the high risk to baby's health but still do it anyways for your own pleasure.

The issue is not that her keeps a baby with Dawn syndrome, the issue is that she did not have the sound judgment to decide against 'getting pregnant' (does she not believe in birth control? are we going to have a pregnant VP in the next few years if she got elected? scary though) when she already has a large family.

I would be careful judging mothers who become pregnant after 40, as I think some PSers are in that boat and wouldn't want to be compared to 'feeding your baby an expire(d) can of baby food.'

Halle Berry & Nicole Kidman did it & they're just fine.

Pink highlighted part: Agreed. Wow is all I can say.

Yellow highlighted part: You mean like Obama did?

100% agree luckystar! I was

! And at first I thought that yellow highlighted part was about Obama & the infamous Rev. Wright.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:57:52 PM
Author: joflier
I''m seeing some poor judgement and its not coming from palin.
I don''t think I understand why it matters how big her family is?
And I do believe there is an enitre thread dedicated to those who have gotten pregnant while on BC. It happens.

Plus, being well over 40, the chances of her getting pregnant without some sort of fertility treatment is very, very low (around 5%). Perhaps it wasn''t a "choice" for her to get pregnant, but she did & just decided to keep the baby.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:50:29 PM
Author: luckystar112




I don't know how

'Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,' she said. 'That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan.'

translates into the Iraq war being our task from God. To me, she is clearly asking them to pray that they are doing the right thing by going to war...pray that they are on God's side, per the Lincoln quote which basically is the same idea.

“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right”.

In the televised interview that we watched, they switched to video of her saying the FULL quote, which is what is highlighted above. In the REAL interview, which is part of the transcript on ABC's own website, it went down like this:


GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, 'Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.' Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.


Did he leave anything out there? How about the WHOLE LAST (highlighted above) part! He was spinning it to make her fumble, so she had to spend a large portion of her answer clarifying her words. If he had used the WHOLE quote, he wouldn't have even had a question to ask.

But that wasn't the issue Gibson was trying to address. He specifically used the portion were she claimed it was a "task from God" and ask her if she believed that the Iraq War was a Holy war. Palin tried to change the subject and refer to Lincoln which, again, has nothing to do with the portion that Gibson was trying to address. I don't think he was trying to make her fumble, I think he asked a legit question that many would like an answer to. All she had to say was "yes" or "no" and give reasoning if she wanted.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:41:58 PM
Author: zhuzhu


The issue is not that her keeps a baby with Dawn syndrome, the issue is that she did not have the sound judgment to decide against 'getting pregnant' (does she not believe in birth control? are we going to have a pregnant VP in the next few years if she got elected? scary though) when she already has a large family.

George Washington had 5 kids
John Adams: 5
Thomas Jefferson: 5
John Quincy Adams: 4
Martin Van Buren: 4
William Henry Harrison: 10
John Tyler: 15
Zachary Taylor: 6
Andrew Johnson: 5
Rutherford B. Hayes: 6
James Garfield: 7
Grover Cleveland: 6
Teddy Roosevelt: 6
Franklin Roosevelt: 6
Gerald Ford: 4
James Carter: 4
Ronald Reagan: 4
George H.W. Bush: 6

Do I need to look up VPs?

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:50:29 PM
Author: luckystar112

I don''t know how

''Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,'' she said. ''That''s what we have to make sure that we''re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God''s plan.''

translates into the Iraq war being our task from God. To me, she is clearly asking them to pray that they are doing the right thing by going to war...pray that they are on God''s side, per the Lincoln quote which basically is the same idea.

“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God''s side, for God is always right”.


Did he leave anything out there? How about the WHOLE LAST (highlighted above) part! He was spinning it to make her fumble, so she had to spend a large portion of her answer clarifying her words. If he had used the WHOLE quote, he wouldn''t have even had a question to ask.

I agree...it''ll be dismissed as "spin" by Obama supporters, but context does mean something. Given Obama''s recent gaffes & the I-didn''t-mean-it-in-that-way explanations, you''d think context would be given to this statement as well. Cut off anyone''s statements in certain places & they mean vastly different things. Oh well, things are looking good for McCain/Palin so they must be doing something right.

 

[goobear78]

Think what you will of the interview, let's be honest here. Charlie Gibson is not a hard ball interviewer. He's not. Hello - Good Morning America. LOL. That's one reason why they picked him. I think this was good practice for Gov. Palin and I look froward to seeing her in more interviews. I honestly hope we get the chance and they don't sequester her away from taking questions both from the press and from the voters as they have been doing up to now. We the people have a right to know as much as we can about who we are voting for.

ETA: Can we please refrain from bashing Obama/McCain in this forum. This is a forum topic about Gov. Palin. Maybe the two go hand in hand, but my thought is if you want to open up the topic on Obama or McCain, you should do so...

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:11:29 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/12/2008 1:50:29 PM
Author: luckystar112



I don't know how

'Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,' she said. 'That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan.'

translates into the Iraq war being our task from God. To me, she is clearly asking them to pray that they are doing the right thing by going to war...pray that they are on God's side, per the Lincoln quote which basically is the same idea.

“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right”.


Did he leave anything out there? How about the WHOLE LAST (highlighted above) part! He was spinning it to make her fumble, so she had to spend a large portion of her answer clarifying her words. If he had used the WHOLE quote, he wouldn't have even had a question to ask.

I agree...it'll be dismissed as 'spin' by Obama supporters, but context does mean something. Given Obama's recent gaffes & the I-didn't-mean-it-in-that-way explanations, you'd think context would be given to this statement as well. Cut off anyone's statements in certain places & they mean vastly different things. Oh well, things are looking good for McCain/Palin so they must be doing something right.

Even in context (which I saw before this interview) claiming this war is a 'task from God' freaks me out. The question was legit and he asked her giving her the opportunity to put it in whatever context she wanted. She never said "I didn't mean it in that way," she flat out ignored that portion of her quote all together and instead chose to talk about Lincoln.

 

[ladypirate]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:14:08 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/12/2008 2:11:29 PM

Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/12/2008 1:50:29 PM

Author: luckystar112




I don''t know how


''Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,'' she said. ''That''s what we have to make sure that we''re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God''s plan.''


translates into the Iraq war being our task from God. To me, she is clearly asking them to pray that they are doing the right thing by going to war...pray that they are on God''s side, per the Lincoln quote which basically is the same idea.


“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God''s side, for God is always right”.




Did he leave anything out there? How about the WHOLE LAST (highlighted above) part! He was spinning it to make her fumble, so she had to spend a large portion of her answer clarifying her words. If he had used the WHOLE quote, he wouldn''t have even had a question to ask.

I agree...it''ll be dismissed as ''spin'' by Obama supporters, but context does mean something. Given Obama''s recent gaffes & the I-didn''t-mean-it-in-that-way explanations, you''d think context would be given to this statement as well. Cut off anyone''s statements in certain places & they mean vastly different things. Oh well, things are looking good for McCain/Palin so they must be doing something right.

Even in context (which I saw before this interview) claiming this war is a ''task from God'' freaks me out. The question was legit and he asked her giving her the opportunity to put it in whatever context she wanted. She never said ''I didn''t mean it in that way,'' she flat out ignored that portion of her quote all together and instead chose to talk about Lincoln.

Completely agree. I think most people had heard the actual quote prior to this interview--I don''t think that Gibson was trying to spin the question to throw her off.

 

[joflier]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:09:10 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/12/2008 1:41:58 PM
Author: zhuzhu


The issue is not that her keeps a baby with Dawn syndrome, the issue is that she did not have the sound judgment to decide against ''getting pregnant'' (does she not believe in birth control? are we going to have a pregnant VP in the next few years if she got elected? scary though) when she already has a large family.

George Washington had 5 kids
John Adams: 5
Thomas Jefferson: 5
John Quincy Adams: 4
Martin Van Buren: 4
William Henry Harrison: 10
John Tyler: 15
Zachary Taylor: 6
Andrew Johnson: 5
Rutherford B. Hayes: 6
James Garfield: 7
Grover Cleveland: 6
Teddy Roosevelt: 6
Franklin Roosevelt: 6
Gerald Ford: 4
James Carter: 4
Ronald Reagan: 4
George H.W. Bush: 6

Do I need to look up VPs?

Well judging by these qualifications, both Obama and Mccain are lacking, huh? They betta get busy!

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:14:08 PM
Author: MoonWater
Even in context (which I saw before this interview) claiming this war is a ''task from God'' freaks me out. The question was legit and he asked her giving her the opportunity to put it in whatever context she wanted. She never said ''I didn''t mean it in that way,'' she flat out ignored that portion of her quote all together and instead chose to talk about Lincoln.

In talking about Lincoln she was talking about the part of her quote that he left out; the part that would''ve made more sense. Anyway, different things freak different people out, so we''ll just agree to disagree. I am freaked out that Biden referred to Obama as a "clean" African-American & said that you needed an Indian accent to go into a 7/11, but I seem to be in the minority around here judging from the lack of responses on the Biden thread.

 

[goobear78]

I doubt Gov. Palin believes in birth control, based on the little I know about her stance on abortion and her religious views it doesn''t seem like something she would use or support, but hey, I don''t know. I''d like to hear her thoughts on it, but it''s not really my business if she chooses to use BC or not. What is my business is her stance on Roe vs. Wade, abortion, birth control, adoption, etc. and what she plans on doing for or against the above mentioned issues if she''s elected.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:16:43 PM
Author: joflier
Well judging by these qualifications, both Obama and Mccain are lacking, huh? They betta get busy!

I think McCain has 7

haha Al Gore has 4, though.

 

[joflier]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:21:39 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/12/2008 2:16:43 PM
Author: joflier
Well judging by these qualifications, both Obama and Mccain are lacking, huh? They betta get busy!

I think McCain has 7

haha Al Gore has 4, though.

Your right- my bad.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:18:58 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/12/2008 2:14:08 PM
Author: MoonWater
Even in context (which I saw before this interview) claiming this war is a 'task from God' freaks me out. The question was legit and he asked her giving her the opportunity to put it in whatever context she wanted. She never said 'I didn't mean it in that way,' she flat out ignored that portion of her quote all together and instead chose to talk about Lincoln.

In talking about Lincoln she was talking about the part of her quote that he left out; the part that would've made more sense. Anyway, different things freak different people out, so we'll just agree to disagree. I am freaked out that Biden referred to Obama as a 'clean' African-American & said that you needed an Indian accent to go into a 7/11, but I seem to be in the minority around here judging from the lack of responses on the Biden thread.

The part that would have made more sense?? I think in a nation full of such diversity and so many religions, it will worry a lot of people that someone thinks we are fighting a Holy war. Palin screwed that question up trying to force the attention on the more benign portion of her quote. The part "left out" which, even in context does not change the satement "task from God." She simply should have answered the question. Her fumbling and changing the subject made it look worse than it needed to. The fact that she couldn't figure out how to answer that is troubling.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:25:31 PM
Author: MoonWater
The part that would have made more sense?? I think in a nation full of such diversity and so many religions, it will worry a lot of people that someone thinks we are fighting a Holy war. Palin screwed that question up trying to force the attention on the more benign portion of her quote. The part 'left out' which, even in context does not change the satement 'task from God.' She simply should have answered the question. Her fumbling and changing the subject made it look worse than it needed to. The fact that she couldn't figure out how to answer that is troubling.

I do think if you take the whole statement it makes more sense and doesn't sound as fanatical as it does alone (just MHO though). Like I said, we just disagree. I know that the nation is full of diversity, which is why I do not want Biden to be VP/second in line. Anyway, like I said above, she could've answered every question better IMO, but she did what she needed to do. People who had enough problem with that statement not to vote for MCCAIN (the one actually running for president) probably wouldn't vote for MCCAIN either way.

ETA: Stay safe luckystar!

 

[luckystar112]

I agree. I just think the whole second part where she says that we need to pray that we are on God''s side says it all.
I also agree that she could have answered the question better, but I get the jist that she doesn''t think we are fighting a holy war.

I thought that Gibson asked some tough questions. He wasn''t a complete failure. And I think Palin did a good job of answering the questions. I''m interested in seeing part II tonight.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:21:28 PM
Author: goobear78
I doubt Gov. Palin believes in birth control, based on the little I know about her stance on abortion and her religious views it doesn't seem like something she would use or support, but hey, I don't know. I'd like to hear her thoughts on it, but it's not really my business if she chooses to use BC or not. What is my business is her stance on Roe vs. Wade, abortion, birth control, adoption, etc. and what she plans on doing for or against the above mentioned issues if she's elected.

She has a tought stance on abortion. Doesn't believe it's right it virtually any circumstances and doesn't think the goverment should have to help fund them.
Adoption is her first choice, and she believes in safe-haven laws.

She is PRO-CONTRACEPTION:
What about the social issues that Alaskans, especially the party faithful who often decide primary elections, may find important? Here's what Sarah Palin has to say about abortion.
Palin said last month that no woman should have to choose between her career, education and her child. She is pro-contraception and said she's a member of a pro-woman but anti-abortion group called Feminists for Life. "I believe in the strength and the power of women, and the potential of every human life," she said.

If Roe v Wade were overturned it should be up to the states (not her):
Q: If Roe v. Wade were overturned and states could once again prohibit abortion, in your view, to what extent should abortion be prohibited in Alaska?
A: Under this hypothetical scenario, it would not be up to the governor to unilaterally ban anything. It would be up to the people of Alaska to discuss and decide how we would like our society to reflect our values.

As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but she did not use her platform as Governor to push any of these issues.

ETA: She backed two anti-abortion issues that died during the state legislature but didn't add them to the agenda
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[joflier]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:38:07 PM
Author: luckystar112
I agree. I just think the whole second part where she says that we need to pray that we are on God's side says it all.
I also agree that she could have answered the question better, but I get the jist that she doesn't think we are fighting a holy war.

I thought that Gibson asked some tough questions. He wasn't a complete failure. And I think Palin did a good job of answering the questions. I'm interested in seeing part II tonight.

Thats what I got out of it as well. It seems like everyone is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill (in reguard to what she said at her church)

 

[decodelighted]

I''m intrigued by Cajun Boy''s Sept 10th post ... which includes links to his sources BTW ... but due to language can''t be linked directly to Pricescope.

Here''s just one of his particularly chilling facts:

Sarah Palin, woman, pseudo-feminist, made rape victims in her town pay for their own forensic exams when she was mayor of Wasilla, which is situated in a state that has the highest per capita rates of rape and incest in the country. Think about that for a moment. Imagine that someone in your family was murdered and then you received a bill for the cost of the investigation weeks after their death. That''s essentially what Sarah Palin did. Her''s was the only town in Alaska to do so. Why? Because she said they couldn''t afford it.

 

[luckystar112]

I don''t want my power to go out! I''m having so much fun talking to all of you!

Even those who don''t share the same views. I don''t care what people say about these threads...they are fun. And I feel like we''ve gotten to the point where we "get" eachother and aren''t taking offense as easily anymore. Did I just jinx us?

okay, end sentimental threadjack!

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:58:55 PM
Author: decodelighted
I''m intrigued by Cajun Boy''s Sept 10th post ... which includes links to his sources BTW ... but due to language can''t be linked directly to Pricescope.

Here''s just one of his particularly chilling facts:

Sarah Palin, woman, pseudo-feminist, made rape victims in her town pay for their own forensic exams when she was mayor of Wasilla, which is situated in a state that has the highest per capita rates of rape and incest in the country. Think about that for a moment. Imagine that someone in your family was murdered and then you received a bill for the cost of the investigation weeks after their death. That''s essentially what Sarah Palin did. Her''s was the only town in Alaska to do so. Why? Because she said they couldn''t afford it.

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!??! Please tell me this is inaccurate. Alaska got TONS of cash from the feds (trillionare posted a link)...this can not be real. If so...well....

 

[joflier]

Date: 9/12/2008 3:03:29 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/12/2008 2:58:55 PM
Author: decodelighted
I''m intrigued by Cajun Boy''s Sept 10th post ... which includes links to his sources BTW ... but due to language can''t be linked directly to Pricescope.

Here''s just one of his particularly chilling facts:

Sarah Palin, woman, pseudo-feminist, made rape victims in her town pay for their own forensic exams when she was mayor of Wasilla, which is situated in a state that has the highest per capita rates of rape and incest in the country. Think about that for a moment. Imagine that someone in your family was murdered and then you received a bill for the cost of the investigation weeks after their death. That''s essentially what Sarah Palin did. Her''s was the only town in Alaska to do so. Why? Because she said they couldn''t afford it.

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!??! Please tell me this is inaccurate. Alaska got TONS of cash from the feds (trillionare posted a link)...this can not be real. If so...well....

I couldn''t find that post.......does it mention the sources for that? That would be pretty sad if that is factual.

 

[goobear78]

Date: 9/12/2008 3:06:46 PM
Author: joflier

Date: 9/12/2008 3:03:29 PM

Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/12/2008 2:58:55 PM

Author: decodelighted

I'm intrigued by Cajun Boy's Sept 10th post ... which includes links to his sources BTW ... but due to language can't be linked directly to Pricescope.


Here's just one of his particularly chilling facts:


Sarah Palin, woman, pseudo-feminist, made rape victims in her town pay for their own forensic exams when she was mayor of Wasilla, which is situated in a state that has the highest per capita rates of rape and incest in the country. Think about that for a moment. Imagine that someone in your family was murdered and then you received a bill for the cost of the investigation weeks after their death. That's essentially what Sarah Palin did. Her's was the only town in Alaska to do so. Why? Because she said they couldn't afford it.

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!??! Please tell me this is inaccurate. Alaska got TONS of cash from the feds (trillionare posted a link)...this can not be real. If so...well....

I couldn't find that post.......does it mention the sources for that? That would be pretty sad if that is factual.

It's true and very very sad.

Here's two articles I found online about that. I'm sure there are more. I was just going to post about this and you all beat me to it:

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1118416&srvc=2008campaign&position=9
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html

 

[ladypirate]

Date: 9/12/2008 2:59:49 PM
Author: luckystar112
I don't want my power to go out! I'm having so much fun talking to all of you!

Even those who don't share the same views. I don't care what people say about these threads...they are fun. And I feel like we've gotten to the point where we 'get' eachother and aren't taking offense as easily anymore. Did I just jinx us?


okay, end sentimental threadjack!

I agree luckystar!

I may not agree with everyone's politics, but I certainly like y'all (threw that in because you're in texas

)!

 

[vespergirl]

Well, at least she sounds smarter than Bush

 

[MoonWater]

http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/wasilla-charged-rape-victims-for-their.html

 

[goobear78]

Date: 9/12/2008 3:23:31 PM
Author: ladypirate

Date: 9/12/2008 2:59:49 PM

Author: luckystar112

I don''t want my power to go out! I''m having so much fun talking to all of you!

Even those who don''t share the same views. I don''t care what people say about these threads...they are fun. And I feel like we''ve gotten to the point where we ''get'' eachother and aren''t taking offense as easily anymore. Did I just jinx us?



okay, end sentimental threadjack!

I agree luckystar!

I may not agree with everyone''s politics, but I certainly like y''all (threw that in because you''re in texas

)!

Me too! I hope everyone stays safe and far away from Ike. Sounds awful!

 

[luckystar112]

I agree, it''s sad. I''m actually speechless.
And apparently, common, not just in Wasilla.