Fancy Pink Marquise Diamond - seeking feedback!

[Bookwyrm]

Oh I didn't ask for an ASET but I did enquire about the sparkle, and the vendor told me he's confident in the cutting of this marquise for not only achieving colour retention but also sparkle/brilliancy

 

[autumngems]

Oh I didn't ask for an ASET but I did enquire about the sparkle, and the vendor told me he's confident in the cutting of this marquise for not only achieving colour retention but also sparkle/brilliancy

Did you get it?

 

[Bookwyrm]

I put down a deposit, and Elan at IBD has been very flexible and accomodating in agreeing to hold the diamond for me until I can visit the US and see it in person. I'm hoping to visit on my way to Canada in a couple months. Very excited to see it in person! I just wanted to view it in person first and make sure I really like it before going forward with setting designs and all that.

Elan has been an absolute pleasure to work with - truly amazing customer service!

Are you still looking at their pink diamonds? Any favourites?

 

[autumngems]

I put down a deposit, and Elan at IBD has been very flexible and accomodating in agreeing to hold the diamond for me until I can visit the US and see it in person. I'm hoping to visit on my way to Canada in a couple months. Very excited to see it in person! I just wanted to view it in person first and make sure I really like it before going forward with setting designs and all that.

Elan has been an absolute pleasure to work with - truly amazing customer service!

Are you still looking at their pink diamonds? Any favourites?

I am still looking, making a list so I can get all prices at once.

 

[Nosean]

Maybe interesting….

Pink diamonds are sometimes a bit tricky.

Chromism in pink diamonds | FCRF

Pink diamonds from Argyle have been known by polishers, laboratories and traders to exhibit a phenomenon of photochromism whereby their colour can be influenced by illumination of different lights and intensities. These influences are relatively short-lived and most conspicuous after...

www.fcresearch.org

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

All the diamonds in the IMGUR show some dark areas at certain degrees of tilt. I hope you're not second-guessing away a very pretty diamond.

 

[oldminer]

An ASET image of a fancy colored fancy shape is unlikely to be truly useful. The color of nearly all fancy colored diamonds is increased by cutting that greatly differs from diamonds cut for maximum sparkle and light return. Fancy color diamonds are mostly cut to deepen the face-up depth of color and to spread out the color with a good degree of even coloration. This is not what colorless diamonds need to be cut like, so the ASET is not going to give you any decision making information that makes much sense. Many fancy color diamonds would not even be light fancy if cut to colorless diamond parameters.

 

[Rockdiamond]

An ASET image of a fancy colored fancy shape is unlikely to be truly useful.

My esteemed colleague David hit the nail on the head. I'd go a step further and say that the use of ASET in selection/rejection could easily filter out the very best Fancy Colored candidates.
I totally get why people here recommend it though....ASET is a very useful tool in the right circumstances. Not with fancy colors though......

 

[toomuchB]

Hi Autumngems,

The vendor is Ishay Ben-David in New York

Side note, their inventory has some insane pieces! I've drooled over this for yrs. It was over 20k when I asked back in the day.

Hope you find the perfect pink!

 

[Bookwyrm]

Maybe interesting….

Pink diamonds are sometimes a bit tricky.

Chromism in pink diamonds | FCRF

Pink diamonds from Argyle have been known by polishers, laboratories and traders to exhibit a phenomenon of photochromism whereby their colour can be influenced by illumination of different lights and intensities. These influences are relatively short-lived and most conspicuous after...

www.fcresearch.org

Oh wow, this was such an interesting read - thank you! Coloured diamonds truly are little wonders of nature! Living in Australia, I've seen a couple of Argyle diamonds in jewellery shops across Sydney, however, most of them are very small, veeeery expensive, and seem to have very little sparkle (maybe due to all the inclusions?).

The marquise I'm looking at seems to be cut very well and has a good amount of sparkle, however, it doesn't have any argyle inscriptions or anything like that, so I have no idea about its country of origin.

Do you know if there's any way to determine the origin of a pink diamond? I know that this particular marquise doesn't have any flourescence, but I'm not sure how helpful that is...

At the end of the day, however, origin doesn't matter as much to me as the colour, and to some extent, the cut and clarity. My goal was to find a fancy pink diamond with good sparkle, and I think this marquise fits the bill! Bonus points for the marquise cut, as I love marquise shapes in general!

 

[Bookwyrm]

All the diamonds in the IMGUR show some dark areas at certain degrees of tilt. I hope you're not second-guessing away a very pretty diamond.

I put down a deposit for the marquise, and it's been reserved until I can visit the US and see it in person in a few months I do really like the marquise shape and pale pink colour, so I'm really, really hoping I love it in person! I've already started looking into marquise settings - super excited about this diamond!

After looking at a lot of videos of coloured diamonds on Leibish, I noticed that pretty much all of them have dark areas that pop up in the rotating videos, so I'm hoping these areas are just obstruction from the camera or something like that. And compared to the other pink marquise diamonds I've seen on Leibish and other websites, I think the marquise I'm looking at has the best cut I've seen so far. The vendor has also told me that there's no bowtie and the colour is dispersed evenly (so no colour concentration at the tips of the marquise).

 

[Bookwyrm]

An ASET image of a fancy colored fancy shape is unlikely to be truly useful. The color of nearly all fancy colored diamonds is increased by cutting that greatly differs from diamonds cut for maximum sparkle and light return. Fancy color diamonds are mostly cut to deepen the face-up depth of color and to spread out the color with a good degree of even coloration. This is not what colorless diamonds need to be cut like, so the ASET is not going to give you any decision making information that makes much sense. Many fancy color diamonds would not even be light fancy if cut to colorless diamond parameters.

Thank you for your reply! I didn't end up asking for an ASET (as I thought I'd badgered the vendor enough with a bijillion other questions and video requests)

I'm not expecting this marquise to sparkle like an ideal-cut round brilliant, but I'm hoping it still has pretty good sparkle in person! The pink diamonds I've seen so far in Australia have been mostly Argyle diamonds, and they looked rather dull with very little sparkle, but I guess they're prized for their vivid/intense pink colour.

 

[Bookwyrm]

Side note, their inventory has some insane pieces! I've drooled over this for yrs. It was over 20k when I asked back in the day.

Hope you find the perfect pink!

Thank you! And yesss they have the most amazing diamonds! And the customer service is amazing too. Elan at IBD has been helping me with this particular purchase so far, and he's been so patient, understanding and knowlegeable. He's answered all of my (MANY) questions and provided multiple videos in various lightings and tilt angles when I asked.

Are you looking for green diamonds? I really love fancy blue-green (or is it green-blue?) diamonds! If I wanted vivid green, I think I'd probably go with jadeite as the prices of vivid green diamonds are just crazy (but understandable given their rarity)!

 

[toomuchB]

Thank you! And yesss they have the most amazing diamonds! And the customer service is amazing too. Elan at IBD has been helping me with this particular purchase so far, and he's been so patient, understanding and knowlegeable. He's answered all of my (MANY) questions and provided multiple videos in various lightings and tilt angles when I asked.

Are you looking for green diamonds? I really love fancy blue-green (or is it green-blue?) diamonds! If I wanted vivid green, I think I'd probably go with jadeite as the prices of vivid green diamonds are just crazy (but understandable given their rarity)!

Its hard to say! A holy grail for me is definitely a top color green diamond, but not sure I could afford one any larger than the one above. I mean when I get older, this size might be invisible. However there are intense greens which border vivid greens, and maybe something could be found in a modest side. Greens mixed with blues are indeed much less expensive but still $$$. So all this is more of a 'maybe one day' thing. I love green stones, emerald, tsavorite, etc. Jade is definitely one I need to get more educated on, there is so much nuance to it, I feel like I need to see some in person.

 

[Nosean]

Oh wow, this was such an interesting read - thank you! Coloured diamonds truly are little wonders of nature! Living in Australia, I've seen a couple of Argyle diamonds in jewellery shops across Sydney, however, most of them are very small, veeeery expensive, and seem to have very little sparkle (maybe due to all the inclusions?).

The marquise I'm looking at seems to be cut very well and has a good amount of sparkle, however, it doesn't have any argyle inscriptions or anything like that, so I have no idea about its country of origin.

Do you know if there's any way to determine the origin of a pink diamond? I know that this particular marquise doesn't have any flourescence, but I'm not sure how helpful that is...

At the end of the day, however, origin doesn't matter as much to me as the colour, and to some extent, the cut and clarity. My goal was to find a fancy pink diamond with good sparkle, and I think this marquise fits the bill! Bonus points for the marquise cut, as I love marquise shapes in general!

A bit late…

https://www.gemresearch.ch/assets/publication_articles_documents/pink-diamonds-for-ica-32-41-pink-gemologypdf-2-1.pdf

I would check „your“ diamond with FTIR - a 0,5 ct Fancy Pink with a very good clarity and no fluorescence could be a type IIa.

 

[Bookwyrm]

Its hard to say! A holy grail for me is definitely a top color green diamond, but not sure I could afford one any larger than the one above. I mean when I get older, this size might be invisible. However there are intense greens which border vivid greens, and maybe something could be found in a modest side. Greens mixed with blues are indeed much less expensive but still $$$. So all this is more of a 'maybe one day' thing. I love green stones, emerald, tsavorite, etc. Jade is definitely one I need to get more educated on, there is so much nuance to it, I feel like I need to see some in person.

Ahh I hope you find a beautiful top colour green diamond soon! I'm not too into green stones in general, but I love jadeite! I just really love the soft glowy look of jade cabochons, and prefer that look over the harder, shiny look of the emeralds I've seen in person. I guess I'm weird when it comes to jadeite vs. emerald, because usually I'm all for the shiny/sparkle factor haha, but watery/glassy jadeite is just so pretty! If you're interested in jadeite, @Crimson 's 'Evalauating Jadeite' thread is an amazing read and so educational! I learnt basically everything I know about jadeite from this thread, and Crimson is so incredbly knowlegeable about jadeite and many other gemstones! She guided me through the purchase of the jadeite ring in my profile, and I can't thank her enough for all her help and patience!

 

[Bookwyrm]

A bit late…

https://www.gemresearch.ch/assets/publication_articles_documents/pink-diamonds-for-ica-32-41-pink-gemologypdf-2-1.pdf

I would check „your“ diamond with FTIR - a 0,5 ct Fancy Pink with a very good clarity and no fluorescence could be a type IIa.

Oh wow, thank you for these resources - the video looks so interesting! I'm very swamped with work right now, but when I get the time, I will definitely go through it!