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About to make a purchase so experts please help confirm one more thing.

I had another thread about me doing an upgrade with Tiffany. I originally had a F/VS1, but for the upgrade I wanted to go down to either a F/VS2 or G/VS1. My SA showed me several stones in this combo and I narrowed it down to two choices. Both have great HCA scores, FVS2 is 0.8, and GVS1 is 1.2. I was leaning toward the FVS2 originally, but when I looked at the chart, there's a fairly large inclusion somewhat at the center. When looking at it it is eye clean to me, because I am not good at finding inclusions, but maybe an expert can spot it more easily. So I'm not sure if it's going to bother me in the future, making it not "mind clean". For this reason, I have decided to go with the GVS2. However, today at the last minute, my DH (who knows nothing about diamonds) commented that these inclusions dont bother him much. He says that diamonds are natural products, not synthetically made to be absolutely perfect, so it's okay to have these inclusions as long as its eye clean. Whereas color, if I'm next to someone with a higher color grade diamond, G color might look a bit yellow. So now I'm Confused again!

So my question is, for 1.8ct-ish size diamond, if we put F color and G color next to each other, would there be a noticeable difference? Even for expert in the trade, how obvious is it?

For reference the plot chart for the FVS2 is here
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Thank you very much for your help!
 
Up front - I am NOT an expert! :bigsmile:

The difference between F & G is minimal and if it is a solitaire, it won't be 'in comparison' to anything else... I'd be ok w going to the G. The larger the stone, tho, the more likely you may notice a HINT of colour, but in the F/G range... I wouldn't think any "colour" would be that noticeable.

As for the mind clean, odds are in your favour that at VS2, the inclusions *shouldn't* be visible - but ask for an evaluation from a GG at Tiffany's and assurance that the stone is eye clean at "X" inches - what you determine should be eye clean. Normally a 12" distance would be acceptable but perhaps you are more comfortable at 6" or 8"....
 
I agree with Enerchi. Once the diamond is set it will be unlikely that you will be able to tell it apart from the F, however, since clarity is evaluated from the face up position you may be able to see inclusions. It's best to have a gemologist evaluate it for you to determine it's eye cleanliness. Being a VS2, the chances are good that it will be, but if you don't want to see any inclusions from any distance, or through the pavilion, you need to express this to the person evaluating the stone, not all vendors interpretation of eye clean is the same, yours likely will vary somewhat.
 
If you see yellow in a G color diamond, look around for yellow or beige walls or look to see if you are wearing yellow, orange or beige. Cause it won't be from the diamond. G will be fine.
 
Enerchi, Christina, Gypsy, thank you very much for your inputs.
The gemologist from Tiffany's said the VS2 is eye clean, but he was able to spot it right away under the 10x scope.

I know most people won't be able to say, oh it's a G color. But if it's next to a higher color, would it be somehow obvious to color sensitive people that it is a lower color grade?
 
No. G is not a "lower grade" at all! You should be fine - have you seen the difference between F & G, in all sorts of lighting conditions? Have the staff at Tiffany take you to a window, or out side and then in fluorescent lighting and incandescent (go to one of their private rooms) all the while, comparing the 2 diamonds. You'll probably not notice any difference, but I think it is a good exercise for you to do, so it can put your mind at ease.

Plus--- you get to play at Tiffany's again!! WIN WIN!! :D
 
Ok, honestly we don't consider G a lower color around here. If you put it side by side with a well cut D somebody might be able
to tell but most will not. In my mind you are worrying about nothing. Once a stone gets set it is even much harder to tell.
 
i'll take the FVS2.. ;))
 
COLOR is graded face down and unset. Unless you are gonna be walking around with it that way-- you are going to be fine. Face up and set even the best appraiser will tell you he can't accurately grade the color to tell if it is an F or a G-- let alone the average person. Also Tiffany's settings take up a lot of the profile of the diamond, so even if you could spot a little bit of tint in the profile (unlikely but who knows) there is so little of the profile there to see that it's really unlikely.
 
Thank you very much for your responses.

Dancing fire what's the particular reason that you will take the FVS2?

I have seem a G next to an F, although not this particular G. I saw the stones in the black velvet tray, not against a white background. Also, they told me the specs right away so I knew which is which before I saw them. Besides that Tiffany's lighting makes everything super sparkly. All these factors made me unsure of what I was seeing.

By the way I also checked out a few GVS2 but nothing was really attractive. These to are my finally choices.
 
My diamond is G VS1 because I like a really clean diamond and never has my stone been right next to a whiter diamond. (Like who would do that?!) In fact, I don't think that many people have ideal cut D-F stones, so it would be pretty unusual to ever have that situation. Are you saying that the F VS2 and G VS1 are the same size and price?
 
Kissmark|1344045743|3245690 said:
Thank you very much for your responses.

Dancing fire what's the particular reason that you will take the FVS2?
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b/c i'm a sucker for small table with a high crown.. ;))

1. 1.74ct F VS2

Total depth % 61.6%
Table size % 55%
Crown height % 15.6%
Crown angle 35.0
Pavilion depth % 42.5%
Pavilion angle 40.6
Lower half length % 78%
Star length % 51%
Culet None
 
Diamond seeker, the two are almost the same. The GVS1 is a few hundred dollars more but not a big difference. The caract size is identical, although FVS2 has tiny tiny bit bigger diameter.

Dancing fire, I see I see! Thank you I am learning more but by bit :)
 
Do you have the proportions for the G? I agree with DF, I like a small table and high crown as well, they tend to produce more colored light and the profile is gorgeous! :love: If the two stones are that close in price and are both eye clean to YOU, you really can't go wrong and should choose the stone that is most appealing to your eye. Tiffanys really doesn't sell an ugly diamond. ;))
 
I guess I'm the only one with a different opinion. I am very sensitive to color and I'd rather have the higher color as long as the clarity was acceptable and the cut and light performance were excellent. I can be happy with a SI1 depending of course what type of inclusion is present and whether it is a black carbon spot or something innocuous in a spot you'll never see without magnification. You will see the color all the time; you won't ever see the clarity if you stick with an eye-clean stone, unless you feel like taking out the loupe to check it out. Certainly no one who looks at the ring is going to whip out a loupe and ask to inspect the stone. Anyway, that's just how I view it. It all depends on your eye. I can't wait to see which stone you end up going with! I'm pretty sure Tiffany's is going to provide a knock-out stone no matter what you decide.
 
I would also go for the F, if size and cut are equivalent, both are from a reputable jeweller, the inclusions are both eye clean and in the VS range, and the price is similar (even a few hundred cheaper)...F would definitely be my pick.

And it's not because I think the G won't face up white, it absolutely would, and the difference may be small between the F and the G, but for a VS2 vs a VS1 and an F vs a G, definitely the F/VS2, and you save a few hundred dollars as well.
 
Thanks for all the input!

I just want to add the details of the rings as reference. Both had nice HCA scores.

G VS1
Total depth % 61.6%
Table size %  57%
Crown height % 15.2%
Crown angle 34.8
Pavilion depth % 42.9%
Pavilion angle 40.7
Lower half length % 80%
Star length % 51%
Culet None

F VS2
Total depth % 61.6%
Table size %  55%
Crown height % 15.6%
Crown angle 35.0
Pavilion depth % 42.5%
Pavilion angle 40.6
Lower half length % 78%
Star length % 51%
Culet None
 
Hi everyone,

Just want to give an update that I think I am going to get the G VS1.
The FVS2 is a great stone, but there is a feather somewhat close to the center. It is completely eye clean but im afraid that it might not be mind clean and i will always feel like I am seeing things.

Thanks to everyone who helped me make the decision! Pricescope has been an invaluable resource and an awesome community!
 
I think you are making a great decision! It will be a beautiful ring - congratulations and good luck no the proposal!
 
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