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Hi everyone. FF and I have narrowed it down to a few stones. I''ve seen one of the stones we are considering but the other one is from an online vendor with whom I won''t be able to get pics from till next week if they will agree to do so. The other stone is beautiful and I''m in love with it. However the stone I will list below is less expensive and has mb flour. Flour is something that I originally wanted when looking at J colored stones. Also this stone faces up slightly larger but I''m not so sure that is a good thing because the table seems a bit large to me as it relates to the depth of the stone. I wanted to confirm that my thoughts were right becuase I am slightly intrigued by the mb flour. Please give me some feedback. Should I consider this stone as an option?

EMERALD CUT

Carat Weight
2.67

Color
J

Clarity
VS1

Depth
63.4

Table
68

Symmetry
VG

Certificate
GIA

Polish
VG

Girdle
TN-M

Culet
N

Fluorescence
MB

Measurements
9.54x7.10x4.50

Thank you!
 
It is really difficult to tell by numbers as you probably know, so ask for pics and when you get them, post them here! The thing is, depth, table and even crown height can''t really tell you much about how the diamond may look and perform. Have you seen a GIA graded J EC of this size in person? It may show a little warmth, some can be fine with this, but it won''t look icy white if that is what you prefer. Personally it wouldn''t concern me, but it may be best if you are seriously considering this stone, to see if you can check out some similar size and same lab graded J''s in person to see what you think. Medium blue fluorescence could be a potentially nice feature of this stone.

Do you have the details on the other diamond you have seen and love?
 
I agree with Lorelei. From the numbers, this looks like a great stone. The table is just a tad large for my taste, but really anything under 70% is still considered quite good. Also, nice L/W ratio ... just in the sweet-spot for most.

I just got a similar-sized stone, also J VS1, and it looks great!

Get pictures, IS and maybe even ASET.

--ECQ (no longer).
 
Date: 6/7/2008 8:37:52 AM
Author: Lorelei
It is really difficult to tell by numbers as you probably know, so ask for pics and when you get them, post them here! The thing is, depth, table and even crown height can''t really tell you much about how the diamond may look and perform. Have you seen a GIA graded J EC of this size in person? It may show a little warmth, some can be fine with this, but it won''t look icy white if that is what you prefer. Personally it wouldn''t concern me, but it may be best if you are seriously considering this stone, to see if you can check out some similar size and same lab graded J''s in person to see what you think. Medium blue fluorescence could be a potentially nice feature of this stone.

Do you have the details on the other diamond you have seen and love?
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Loreliei,

Thank you for the feedback. Here are the stats on the other stone in consideration:

Carat Weight 2.75
Color J
Clarity VS1
Depth 66.1
Table 63
Symmetry Very Good
Certificate GIA
Polish Excellent
Girdle Slightly Thick
Culet None
Fluorescence None
Measurements 9.01x7.02x4.64

I''ve seen pictures of this stone and really like what it looks like, however I haven''t seen it in person. I''m ok with the return policy on this stone and not so much on the first one. Both stones are from known vendors but the first stone I listed only has a 10 day return policy and that concerns me. However that stone faces up slightly larger. I''m thinking about having Mark T. call in a few stones for me so that I can take a look at them but we are also now on a time constraint. Also, ERD''s prices are higner for similar stones so on one hand I would like to take a risk with one of these two stones. As I mentioned the first stone has mb flour and also faces up slightly larger and that is appealing however, I''d rather get the stone that has the better chance of performance and the second stone does have excellent polish and I like the proportions as well. I have a better feeling about this stone because of the vendor that has it however, I''m nervous it might be too warm, although I really don''t think that matters too much to me. I was all set to go with this one until I found the other one and now I''m second guessing myself. Also I haven''t seen the certificate on the first one so I''m not sure where the inclusions are on that stone. I''m gonna ask for pictures tomorrow however I was hoping you would be in favor of one or the other.

Thanks for the help!
 
Date: 6/7/2008 2:21:44 PM
Author: EmeraldCutQuest
I agree with Lorelei. From the numbers, this looks like a great stone. The table is just a tad large for my taste, but really anything under 70% is still considered quite good. Also, nice L/W ratio ... just in the sweet-spot for most.

I just got a similar-sized stone, also J VS1, and it looks great!

Get pictures, IS and maybe even ASET.

--ECQ (no longer).
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The second stone I listed above I think you have seen. As it relates to the stone you just bought, how much warmth can be seen? I really wasn''t considering that as an issue because so many people latley have gotten J''s. I don''t think I care that much but I also don''t want anyone commeting on my stone as yellow, you know. I really like the proportions of this stone. Any feedback?

How does the larger table impact the apperance of the stone?
 
With regards to the J color: it''s a really well cut stone (the one I bought), so I wouldn''t even say it shows up yellow. If you REALLY look closely, especially against a pure white back-ground, or when compared to D,E,F stones -- yeah -- you can see a bit. But as I said, it makes it look a bit warmer than an icy-white better-colored stone. My DW and I happen to like the warmer hue, and for her, she''d rather had me put the extra dollars in size and clarity than color. Others say the opposite: that color difference between a J and (say) H is noticeable, but the diff. between a VS1 and eye-clean SI1 is not, so put your $$$ into better color. It''s a personal choice.

And J is still considered ''near colorless'' for a reason.

You say: " ... but I also don''t want anyone commeting on my stone as yellow, you know ..." (1) It isn''t. (2) Let them say what they want, but my bet is they''re going to comment more on the size and sparkle than anything about the color.

Large tables: I just think they are ugly, particularly when you get a direct reflection. Also, I believe that, all things equal, it will make the steps thinner. Not sure what this does to the optics (less sparkle? less scintillation?) ... but to me, it just looks like something is a bit ''off''.

Is it possible for you to go to some B&Ms and look in person different color and table characteristics? That should nail it down (somewhat) for you ... it did for me.

--ECQ (no longer).
 
Date: 6/8/2008 6:25:17 PM
Author: emeraldlover1



Date: 6/7/2008 8:37:52 AM
Author: Lorelei
It is really difficult to tell by numbers as you probably know, so ask for pics and when you get them, post them here! The thing is, depth, table and even crown height can't really tell you much about how the diamond may look and perform. Have you seen a GIA graded J EC of this size in person? It may show a little warmth, some can be fine with this, but it won't look icy white if that is what you prefer. Personally it wouldn't concern me, but it may be best if you are seriously considering this stone, to see if you can check out some similar size and same lab graded J's in person to see what you think. Medium blue fluorescence could be a potentially nice feature of this stone.

Do you have the details on the other diamond you have seen and love?
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Loreliei,

Thank you for the feedback. Here are the stats on the other stone in consideration:

Carat Weight 2.75
Color J
Clarity VS1
Depth 66.1
Table 63
Symmetry Very Good
Certificate GIA
Polish Excellent
Girdle Slightly Thick
Culet None
Fluorescence None
Measurements 9.01x7.02x4.64

I've seen pictures of this stone and really like what it looks like, however I haven't seen it in person. I'm ok with the return policy on this stone and not so much on the first one. Both stones are from known vendors but the first stone I listed only has a 10 day return policy and that concerns me. However that stone faces up slightly larger. I'm thinking about having Mark T. call in a few stones for me so that I can take a look at them but we are also now on a time constraint. Also, ERD's prices are higner for similar stones so on one hand I would like to take a risk with one of these two stones. As I mentioned the first stone has mb flour and also faces up slightly larger and that is appealing however, I'd rather get the stone that has the better chance of performance and the second stone does have excellent polish and I like the proportions as well. I have a better feeling about this stone because of the vendor that has it however, I'm nervous it might be too warm, although I really don't think that matters too much to me. I was all set to go with this one until I found the other one and now I'm second guessing myself. Also I haven't seen the certificate on the first one so I'm not sure where the inclusions are on that stone. I'm gonna ask for pictures tomorrow however I was hoping you would be in favor of one or the other.

Thanks for the help!
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The excellent polish won't really affect performance, and it is something you probably wouldn't notice anyway with the naked untrained eye. Is it possible you could have both diamonds sent to an appraiser near you, so you could compare them?

Also a J even in that size and shape won't be yellow, and you have seen a similar size and graded J in person, so you know that should be an ok choice for you.
 
ECQ and Lorelei... We went with this one:

Carat Weight 2.75
Color J
Clarity VS1
Depth 66.1
Table 63
Symmetry Very Good
Certificate GIA
Polish Excellent
Girdle Slightly Thick
Culet None
Fluorescence None
Measurements 9.01x7.02x4.64

ECQ... I can''t thank you enough for pointing me in this direction, the stone is amazing!!!! We looked at it compared to some stones of a higher color and I prefered this one over them all. I realized how important it was to me to have an EC where I could see the steps well and it gives off the best flashes of light. I will give you more updates later however we worked with Mark at ERD and I can''t tell you how amazing he is! I love him. He sat there with me and ff for an hour and a half while I asked some rediculous questions. I am obsessed with this stone and so happy we went with this size. FF comented that he was surprised it wasn''t bigger. I love it!!!

Ok...here is the last minute twist. I was dead set on having Leon do my setting however...I''ve decided to work with Mark and his designer at ERD. I was very hesitant about cad because the images seem so bulky to me. However, Mark totally relieved all of my stress by telling me that he would work with me until I decide it is perfect. That is all I needed to hear. Not to mention that I won''t have to wait 8 weeks like I would with Leon. Also, his quote was less. So...I know that Leon is highly regarded on this board but I really want to put ERD and Mark out there as a great alternative. Seeing some of his finished pieces was all I needed to convince me that his work is just as good.

I will have some updates in a few weeks but it looks like it will be finished before June 26th. Then...I just have to wait for the proposal.
 
Many congrats to you!!!!!!!!!!!
 
damn that is a big rock!!
 
Thank you both! I have to go back on Monday, I''ll take some pics then to show you! This is one taken by a vendor and it does not do the stone justice. Please don''t judge it before you see my pics.

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EM1:

Congratulations!!! I know it''s a fabulous stone.

Thanks also for your kind comments ... it was my pleasure to help you and pass on some of the great assistance that I got here at PS when I bought my DW''s EC a few weeks ago.

Now we want pictures of your ring once it''s done!

What a thrill! Thanks so much for sharing your story.

--ECQ (no longer).
 
Date: 6/12/2008 4:57:34 PM
Author: EmeraldCutQuest
EM1:

Congratulations!!! I know it''s a fabulous stone.

Thanks also for your kind comments ... it was my pleasure to help you and pass on some of the great assistance that I got here at PS when I bought my DW''s EC a few weeks ago.

Now we want pictures of your ring once it''s done!

What a thrill! Thanks so much for sharing your story.

--ECQ (no longer).
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ECQ...Seriously...I wouldn''t have found it without you. I was looking in the 3+ range originally however, this stone was too good to pass up. I really don''t care that it isn''t quite 3. Its close enough for me and its sparkle is amazing. Since you didn''t choose this one I can''t imagine what your DW''s must look like. Thanks for finding me my stone!

Of course, I will put up the pics the minute this ring is on my finger.
 
Again ... you''re most welcome (and I''m not even so sure I actually found this one for you
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-- but thank you).

Anyway, what you also found out, I am sure, is that there are several 3 and slightly over carat diamonds that actually face up only very slightly larger (if at all) to the one you got!!! And for this quality, you would have paid a significant premium.

Well done!

--ECQ (no longer).
 
Date: 6/12/2008 4:22:04 PM
Author: emeraldlover1
Thank you both! I have to go back on Monday, I''ll take some pics then to show you! This is one taken by a vendor and it does not do the stone justice. Please don''t judge it before you see my pics.
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Ummm...I am too busy drooling to be judging, what a gorgeous rock!!!
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Date: 6/13/2008 5:02:06 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 6/12/2008 4:22:04 PM
Author: emeraldlover1
Thank you both! I have to go back on Monday, I''ll take some pics then to show you! This is one taken by a vendor and it does not do the stone justice. Please don''t judge it before you see my pics.
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Ummm...I am too busy drooling to be judging, what a gorgeous rock!!!
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You guys are the best. I hope that you like the setting!
 
Date: 6/13/2008 6:21:58 AM
Author: emeraldlover1
ECQ...you crack me up. Seriously, look at this thread: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/e-ring-questions-re-retailers-in-nyc-and-l.86204/

YOU found it for me!!!!
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Ok, Ok ... ! I'll take the credit! -- he, he ....
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I must have had a senior moment ... or some fabulous wine when I wrote: " ... and I'm not even so sure I actually found this one for you -- but thank you".

I am glad that my wife's 'twin' EC (fraternal, not identical, of course) found a great home.

Again, congratulations!

--ECQ (no longer).
 
Hello,
In general florescence isn''t bad, especially for emerald cut but this is very circumstantial. I am a diamond expert with 40+ years of experience as a designer and a wholesaler. Right now, medium blue florescence is not something that is valued very much in the industry. The best way to ensure you get a stone your satisfied with is to see it in person under different types of lighting.


-Best Regards,
Hershel

PS. You should see if your online vendor can have the stones sent to a local jewelry store so you can view them. The trustworthy online jewelers with good standing in the industry will do this, if he does not then consider other sources.
 
Date: 6/13/2008 5:01:44 PM
Author: Hershel Niamher
Hello,
In general florescence isn''t bad, especially for emerald cut but this is very circumstantial. I am a diamond expert with 40+ years of experience as a designer and a wholesaler. Right now, medium blue florescence is not something that is valued very much in the industry. The best way to ensure you get a stone your satisfied with is to see it in person under different types of lighting.


-Best Regards,
Hershel

PS. You should see if your online vendor can have the stones sent to a local jewelry store so you can view them. The trustworthy online jewelers with good standing in the industry will do this, if he does not then consider other sources.
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Thanks for the advice but we already purchased a stone. I listed the first stone above because I personally vallue flourescence...it was what made me consider that stone in the first place. I''m not concerned in the least bit what the "industry" values. I don''t plan on selling my stone so I don''t see why that should matter to me.
 
Date: 6/13/2008 4:27:04 PM
Author: EmeraldCutQuest

Date: 6/13/2008 6:21:58 AM
Author: emeraldlover1
ECQ...you crack me up. Seriously, look at this thread: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/e-ring-questions-re-retailers-in-nyc-and-l.86204/

YOU found it for me!!!!
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Ok, Ok ... ! I''ll take the credit! -- he, he ....
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I must have had a senior moment ... or some fabulous wine when I wrote: '' ... and I''m not even so sure I actually found this one for you -- but thank you''.

I am glad that my wife''s ''twin'' EC (fraternal, not identical, of course) found a great home.

Again, congratulations!

--ECQ (no longer).
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I''d sure like to know what that wine was.
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