Emerald Cut Diamond

[TheDoctorWu]

So I finally got around to seeing the Emerald Cut that I had picked out from ERD.
It was sent to Elliot Gem labs here in Bellvue after passing muster with my
sisters in NYC.

Here are the stats:
Price:$10894.35 (CC: $11275.65)
Laboratory:GIA
Carat Weight:1.61
Color:F    (Colorless) End of color range in colorless category.
Clarity:VVS1    (Very Very Slightly Included) Usually tiny inclusions.
Shape:Emerald
Depth:66.4
Table:65.00
Polish:E
Symmetry:E
Culet:
Girdle:M
Fluorescence:N
Measurements:8.18 * 5.78 * 3.84


Sarin produced these stats:
WEIGHT: 1.615
Width/Length: 5.76-8.17
DEPTH: 66.5%
CROWN ANGLE: 38.5
CROWN HEIGHT: 12.5%
PAVIL ANGLE 53.3
PAVIL DEPTH: 51.6%
TABLE SIZE: 70.8%
GIRDLE: 2.4%

I went to Elliot Gem Labs which confirmed the stats.
I was given a retail replacement value of$ 14,990

Now I have heard stories of diamonds being appraised for much much more
than their cost (that is retail appraisal) and was wondering if this seemed
like a fair appraisal. I think this is a good stone and would like everyone''s
comments on what they think about it.

Chris

 

[AChiOAlumna]

Mmmmm...the numbers are yummy on this one!!

VVS1 might be a little overkill, but I bet it''s a beautiful stone!! How was it once you saw it?? Any pix???

 

[TheDoctorWu]

It was reallyu great though I was expecting to be blown away for some reason.
Just as comparison I saw a GIA cert, E color, VS1, 1.39 ratio, table 68 depth 66
vg/g today that had a retail price of 14,634- they were willing to go to 12,900 with
the setting.

I guess i was expecting the appraisal to come out higher than 14,990 for some reason


here''s a pic

 

[windowshopper]

a table of 70 is pretty big....

 

[TheDoctorWu]

a table of 70 is pretty big....

yeah it is- I asked mark about the discrepancies between the Sarin and the GIa
and he told me that the Sarin is measured using lasers and the GIA using calipers
and tended to be a) either more accuarate or b) what people go by.
per GIa report
Table:65.00

 

[windowshopper]

Garry Cut Nut says GIA uses Sarin......................if you look I was assuming GIA used calipers and Garry says not so.............................

 

[windowshopper]

from your own post on 5/24:


Garry H (Cut Nut)

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Correction.

GIA are measuring with Sarin.

The HCA and Ideal-Scope Cut Quality Crusader!

 

[TheDoctorWu]

Oops this is what Mark said...
where did I get calipers from?

The GIA measures from corner to corner and the Sarin measures across the table. On a round diamond this works very well and the numbers are very close to the GIA cert. The sarin report for fancy shapes does not work as well and thus the industry uses the GIA numbers as the basis for the table results.The correct way to measure the table is corner to corner for a round and a fancy.

My appraisal today quoted a table of 65%

 

[windowshopper]

Date: 5/28/2005 12:00:56 AM
Author: TheDoctorWu
Oops this is what Mark said...
where did I get calipers from?

The GIA measures from corner to corner and the Sarin measures across the table. On a round diamond this works very well and the numbers are very close to the GIA cert. The sarin report for fancy shapes does not work as well and thus the industry uses the GIA numbers as the basis for the table results.The correct way to measure the table is corner to corner for a round and a fancy.

My appraisal today quoted a table of 65%

ohhhhhhhhh. 65 is very good--perfect. so whats your hesitation then????????????????????????

 

[windowshopper]

Date: 5/27/2005 10:45:19 PM
Author: TheDoctorWu
It was reallyu great though I was expecting to be blown away for some reason.
Just as comparison I saw a GIA cert, E color, VS1, 1.39 ratio, table 68 depth 66
vg/g today that had a retail price of 14,634- they were willing to go to 12,900 with
the setting.

I guess i was expecting the appraisal to come out higher than 14,990 for some reason


here's a pic

i dont know if its just a bad picture--(CHRONO HEST please weigh in here) but there is massive black-out. meaning a strong concentration of black as opposed to alternating bars of white and dark. even with my own crappy photography my stone doesnt do that----it means serious light leakage. It could however just be a bad angle that the phot0 was taken from....................so maybe you werent blown away because it just doesnt have thte magic. my stone blew me away when the paper opened -- white brilliance--no black anywhere.

 

[valeria101]

Oh well, I would not credit that picture with showing more than just overall shape. IdealScope would have been netter for us to understand what we see online. But you have the stone at hand to see al and every detail. It surely doesn't have a black belt, doesn't it ?

The shape is lovely, btw.

About Sarin... the machine has a hard time picking up the crown facets of step cuts in some cases. In the picture, the first row of step of the crown appears to be at a rather slight angle down from the table. Sarin could have easily added all or part of the width of that flat step to the table size.

I'd bet that if you do get to see this one via IdealScope, you will find that this one is a crowd pleaser as well.

About the appraisal... it seems to be regular practice to give "appraisal value" at about twice the purchase cost, but that has nothing to do with the "value" of the stone. The matter has been discussed on quite a few Pricescope threads. You might want to run a search about "appraisal value".

All in all, this one looks like a keeper to me. If anything does live room for improvement there, it doesn't show in the picture.

 

[windowshopper]

thanks ana--but i do find that regular old photos emphasize the worst in a stone...............and In my humble opionion can be useful for assessment

 

[valeria101]

Date: 5/28/2005 10:17:09 AM
Author: windowshopper

thanks ana--but i do find that regular old photos emphasize the worst in a stone...

Couldn't say it isn't so, and I certainly do not know any better than you do.

The dark patch should be a reflection of the camera, or whatever there was infront of the stone. The front lighting makes it very severe.... It may be that the photographer did not imagine that the optical effects in his pictures would be dissected - the sellers around Pricescope are very aware of this, but this is not widespread practice at all.

Just IMO, of course.

 

[windowshopper]

You are right but -but having personally looked at so many stones and photos of stones there seems to be a correlation to me..