movie zombie|1372024304|3471010 said:with you, Deb.....
and let us not forget that these are spy on American contracts given to corporations.
what is to stop the corporation from using that info to their own advantage?
think about it.......
part gypsy|1372030801|3471051 said:I think it's pretty clear. I am a government employee. When I am being hired as a government employee I need to sign forms agreeing to certain behavior, including that I will keep confidential and secret information that I am using for my job (I work at a medical center). It doesn't matter if he felt he had a "high purpose" for revealing that information. It was wrong for him to do so (as well as illegal).
Once he realized what he was being asked to do, and it conflicted with his ethics or morals he should have either not accepted that job, or resigned.
End of story.
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AGBF|1372025845|3471022 said:I don't like free-lance hired "soldiers" (i.e. mercenaries) fighting without rules for the United States as "contractors". I don't want free-lance "police" listening to my phone calls with a warrantless wiretap! Enough with contracting out the jobs that should be done by our government and supervised by our government who should be watched over by our people.
Deb/AGBF
sonnyjane|1372031678|3471067 said:part gypsy|1372030801|3471051 said:I think it's pretty clear. I am a government employee. When I am being hired as a government employee I need to sign forms agreeing to certain behavior, including that I will keep confidential and secret information that I am using for my job (I work at a medical center). It doesn't matter if he felt he had a "high purpose" for revealing that information. It was wrong for him to do so (as well as illegal).
Once he realized what he was being asked to do, and it conflicted with his ethics or morals he should have either not accepted that job, or resigned.
End of story.
.
I have a bit of a question. I'm not criticizing you, just quoting you because your post is the one that inspired the question -
I have worked for the government briefly, and my husband does currently. I most definitely understand that if you disagree with what the job may be asking of you, you can quit, but I do wonder what one is to do in a situation when they feel there have been ethical and legal breaches, but there is no unbiased party to take that information to? Is there no recourse? I'm not saying that what Snowden did was the proper action, but in such a situation, is there anything LEGAL that could have been done in this case to expose the truth?
VRBeauty|1372033134|3471073 said:sonnyjane|1372031678|3471067 said:part gypsy|1372030801|3471051 said:I think it's pretty clear. I am a government employee. When I am being hired as a government employee I need to sign forms agreeing to certain behavior, including that I will keep confidential and secret information that I am using for my job (I work at a medical center). It doesn't matter if he felt he had a "high purpose" for revealing that information. It was wrong for him to do so (as well as illegal).
Once he realized what he was being asked to do, and it conflicted with his ethics or morals he should have either not accepted that job, or resigned.
End of story.
.
I have a bit of a question. I'm not criticizing you, just quoting you because your post is the one that inspired the question -
I have worked for the government briefly, and my husband does currently. I most definitely understand that if you disagree with what the job may be asking of you, you can quit, but I do wonder what one is to do in a situation when they feel there have been ethical and legal breaches, but there is no unbiased party to take that information to? Is there no recourse? I'm not saying that what Snowden did was the proper action, but in such a situation, is there anything LEGAL that could have been done in this case to expose the truth?
The state I work for has a whistle-blower program, monitored (I think) by the Office of the State Auditor. I believe the federal government has a similar program. In this case, however, the investigation would probably have concluded that the activity Snowden reported - much of it, anyway - had been sanctioned by Congress, and that would have been the end of that.
There's also a fair political practices commission that can look into behavior by individual employees that might involve a conflict of interest or improper gains from a government job, but I think that's a California-specific thing.
California also has a grand jury system that functions largely to investigate the workings of, and possible wrongdoings by, city and county governments.
sonnyjane|1372031678|3471067 said:I have a bit of a question. I'm not criticizing you, just quoting you because your post is the one that inspired the question -
I have worked for the government briefly, and my husband does currently. I most definitely understand that if you disagree with what the job may be asking of you, you can quit, but I do wonder what one is to do in a situation when they feel there have been ethical and legal breaches, but there is no unbiased party to take that information to? Is there no recourse? I'm not saying that what Snowden did was the proper action, but in such a situation, is there anything LEGAL that could have been done in this case to expose the truth?
part gypsy|1372030801|3471051 said:I think it's pretty clear. I am a government employee. When I am being hired as a government employee I need to sign forms agreeing to certain behavior, including that I will keep confidential and secret information that I am using for my job (I work at a medical center). It doesn't matter if he felt he had a "high purpose" for revealing that information. It was wrong for him to do so (as well as illegal).
Once he realized what he was being asked to do, and it conflicted with his ethics or morals he should have either not accepted that job, or resigned.
End of story.