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Date: 9/20/2009 1:45:00 PM
Author: glitterata
Why is this Infinity so much more expensive? Because of the VS1 clarity as opposed to VS2 or SI1?

I like it for the strong blue fluorescence.
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Yes, the VS1 would bump up the price. I''d think the strong blue would reduce it some, though.

Since I prefer VS stones for an e-ring, I''d be choosing between the WF stone and the F VS1 Infinity. I doubt most of us could visually tell the difference in the cut of those two you are considering, honestly. It sort of depends if the mental aspect of knowing you are getting top cut quality is important to you. I could go for paying a little more to buy the Infinity from the local vendor, but it would bother me to pay more and go down in clarity.
 
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Crystal on the crown looks big from the diagram at least. I haven''t seen the stone, but is an AGS 5 (SI1) typically ''eye clean''? Inclusion looks to be right on top of the stone, something 1 might be able to see close up in any setting?
 
Could be eye-clean, not impossible.

Maybe Paul or one of the Infinity vendors who has seen the stone can tell you?
 
It could easily be eye clean -- but each stone is different, and some people have better eyesight than others.

But this is a stone you''ll be able to see in person, right, at your local jeweler? So you''ll be able to see it under different lights, from all angles, magnified and unmagnified.

I have an Infinity SI2 that is eye clean, and my stone has a grade setting "cavity" that looks awful on the photo of the diamond. But in real life, it''s minute and I can''t see a thing unless I hold the stone at a certain angle under a 10x loupe.

But again, different people have different preferences for color and clarity and you should feel comfortable with your choice. You really do have two great options here, with the Whiteflash stone and the Infinity.
 
Images coming tomorrow and the retailer is asking the vendor if it''s eye clean or not. I can see the stone, once purchased to be brought in.
 
If the diamond is back in Antwerp have DS ask Paul to take a look at it.
That will answer any questions anyone may have.
I would be interested to read what he says about it :}
 
Date: 9/21/2009 5:37:54 PM
Author: strmrdr
If the diamond is back in Antwerp have DS ask Paul to take a look at it.
That will answer any questions anyone may have.
I would be interested to read what he says about it :}
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Ditto
 
Here is what DS said that their vendor said about the stone (and I am assuming the vendor would be the cutter, Paul and crew? or could it be another in-between party??)....

"My vendor said the diamond is eye clean! He also gave me a bit of history about this diamond - something that not many people know the history of. This is copied and pasted from an email he sent me this morning because I feel he says it best:

The rough stone was part of a parcel of 17 diamonds, 46.56 Cts in total, of South-African origin. This particular rough stone weighed exactly 2.00 Ct., and we estimated it to finish 0.74 F-SI1 while buying. While we only have about one minute to assess a rough stone while buying, it is normal that our initial estimate is corrected when studying the stone after the purchase, and even regularly during the cutting-process. In that way, this stone is remarkable, since it is highly exceptional for a stone to finish exactly like the estimate while buying. One last information, the rough stone had a somewhat irregular shape, so we did not saw it in two, but finished only one polished stone."

Still waiting on images...and can see it Thurs or Fri.
 
Yap, sounds like what Paul would have said.
 
That is kewl information.
Yep that would have been Paul who wrote that.
 
Sweet. I think I''ve found her - the stone, that is!
 
It's hard to see on my computer, even zooming in on the report, but it does look like there's another smaller crystal on the outer edge of the stone on the report (look at the part of the graphic of the top of the stone that's near the "5" under clarity grade).

These inclusions would not bother me, and I would be willing to bet a good amount of $$ that you won't be able to see them except under a loupe (especially since Paul Slegers viewed the stone himself and said it was eye clean). But each person has to decide for him/herself what is "mind clean" so if you can see the stone in person, that's the best thing to do.

I can tell you I have learned from my time on PS that the SI1 and SI2 grades offer significant value to the consumer (I'm saying this as someone who thought I'd only buy a VS2 or above stone!).

My guess is the superior cut and color of this stone will "wow" you when you see it in person. But, again, each person has to weigh the relative importance of cut quality, carat size, clarity, color, and cost for themselves.
 
Well said, and I''ve read it so many times on here. It''s funny how different you think about when its actually YOU who is on the buying end of it!

Thanks again. I will see this stone this Thurs or Fri.
 
Yup, buying a diamond is amazingly stressful and wonderful at the same time!

I can''t wait to hear what you think about the Infinity when you see it in person. Please post pictures if you can.
 
Good luck. :)
 
Date: 9/22/2009 12:22:33 PM
Author: strmrdr
That is kewl information.
Yep that would have been Paul who wrote that.
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Definitely Paul. Also with an Infinity they are so carefully planned when cutting in order to hide any inclusions that there is a good chance this diamond will be eyeclean and just the right choice for you.
 
Thanks everyone! I went with my local retailer, got the Infinity, and just approved the wax! I will start a new thread late next week or early the following with a complete review of my journey, with pics!
 
Congratulations! Can''t wait to see it.
 
Date: 9/22/2009 5:12:23 PM
Author: GDTRFB
Images here...what do you think of the crystal and is there something at 3 o''clock? The report didn''t show anything, but it looks like it from the images.

http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/index.php?shapes=3&shapes=2&ref=5613&pid=63
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Glad to see that you got the right diamond for you. Those are good people at Dimend Scassi.

As for the 3 O''clock thing in the diamond image. I looked at the image and I looked at the cert and without having the diamond here to look at it is hard to say definitively, but I believe that to be a virtual facet that is showing contrast at this angle. There is a very small inclusion at about ten O''clock near the edge on the report, but it is in the wrong place to be the inclusion showing at 3 in the photo.

Anyway, that is my story and I am sticking to it! Congratulations on your search and for being willing to listen to the many opinions here. There is a wealth of knowledge here and many wonderful people sharing wildly divergent opinions. This serves, in my opinion, to make the search both more fun and interesting, and also more comforting as you have heard from many sides and chosen the opinion and view that is right for you.

Wink
 
Date: 10/1/2009 7:09:14 PM
Author: Wink

Date: 9/22/2009 5:12:23 PM
Author: GDTRFB
Images here...what do you think of the crystal and is there something at 3 o''clock? The report didn''t show anything, but it looks like it from the images.

http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/index.php?shapes=3&shapes=2&ref=5613&pid=63
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Glad to see that you got the right diamond for you. Those are good people at Dimend Scassi.

As for the 3 O''clock thing in the diamond image. I looked at the image and I looked at the cert and without having the diamond here to look at it is hard to say definitively, but I believe that to be a virtual facet that is showing contrast at this angle. There is a very small inclusion at about ten O''clock near the edge on the report, but it is in the wrong place to be the inclusion showing at 3 in the photo.

Anyway, that is my story and I am sticking to it! Congratulations on your search and for being willing to listen to the many opinions here. There is a wealth of knowledge here and many wonderful people sharing wildly divergent opinions. This serves, in my opinion, to make the search both more fun and interesting, and also more comforting as you have heard from many sides and chosen the opinion and view that is right for you.

Wink
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Hey Wink, sorry, you confused me a litttle...3 o''clock could contrast, and nothing to be worried about? And you were simply saying that if there was anything at 3, it couldn''t be the the same inclusion at 10?
 
Date: 10/1/2009 6:35:56 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
So are you going for the Infinity''s meet the cutter event? DS should held event on next Wed.

http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/mtc/
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I wish I could! However, I want her to be with me but she won''t have the ring yet! We will for sure be going next year as they do it anually!

Also, they started giving out ''birth certificates'' of each stone - there is a picture of the original 2.0 carat diamond this was cut from and a small explanation of where it came from! Very cool!

I''ll post pics of it in my report!
 
Nice.
 
Date: 10/2/2009 11:22:28 AM
Author: GDTRFB
Date: 10/1/2009 6:35:56 PM

Author: Stone-cold11

So are you going for the Infinity's meet the cutter event? DS should held event on next Wed.


http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/mtc/
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I wish I could! However, I want her to be with me but she won't have the ring yet! We will for sure be going next year as they do it anually!


Also, they started giving out 'birth certificates' of each stone - there is a picture of the original 2.0 carat diamond this was cut from and a small explanation of where it came from! Very cool!


I'll post pics of it in my report!
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So you got a "birth certifcate" with your stone? Very cool.

I'll have to check with Infinity to see if I can get one. The AGS cert. for my Infinity is dated Feb. 5, 2009, so the stone was no doubt cut a good while before that date.

I can't wait to see your pictures. Have you chosen a setting?
ETA: Oh, I see you've got a wax -- is Dimend Scaasi doing your setting?
 
Date: 10/4/2009 3:05:33 PM
Author: sarap333

Date: 10/2/2009 11:22:28 AM
Author: GDTRFB

Date: 10/1/2009 6:35:56 PM

Author: Stone-cold11

So are you going for the Infinity''s meet the cutter event? DS should held event on next Wed.


http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/mtc/
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I wish I could! However, I want her to be with me but she won''t have the ring yet! We will for sure be going next year as they do it anually!


Also, they started giving out ''birth certificates'' of each stone - there is a picture of the original 2.0 carat diamond this was cut from and a small explanation of where it came from! Very cool!


I''ll post pics of it in my report!
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So you got a ''birth certifcate'' with your stone? Very cool.

I''ll have to check with Infinity to see if I can get one. The AGS cert. for my Infinity is dated Feb. 5, 2009, so the stone was no doubt cut a good while before that date.

I can''t wait to see your pictures. Have you chosen a setting?
ETA: Oh, I see you''ve got a wax -- is Dimend Scaasi doing your setting?
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Sara,

We actually came up with the idea of taking pictures of the rough and documenting it for each stone that we cut in the future during an eight hour meeting at the Vegas show last June. The stones that have been purchased since then are just now starting to come on to the market.

You are correct in assuming that your diamond was cut before we started to do this.

Wink
 
Date: 10/4/2009 3:58:22 PM
Author: Wink
Date: 10/4/2009 3:05:33 PM

Author: sarap333


Date: 10/2/2009 11:22:28 AM

Author: GDTRFB


Date: 10/1/2009 6:35:56 PM


Author: Stone-cold11


So are you going for the Infinity's meet the cutter event? DS should held event on next Wed.



http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/mtc/
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I wish I could! However, I want her to be with me but she won't have the ring yet! We will for sure be going next year as they do it anually!



Also, they started giving out 'birth certificates' of each stone - there is a picture of the original 2.0 carat diamond this was cut from and a small explanation of where it came from! Very cool!



I'll post pics of it in my report!
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So you got a 'birth certifcate' with your stone? Very cool.


I'll have to check with Infinity to see if I can get one. The AGS cert. for my Infinity is dated Feb. 5, 2009, so the stone was no doubt cut a good while before that date.


I can't wait to see your pictures. Have you chosen a setting?

ETA: Oh, I see you've got a wax -- is Dimend Scaasi doing your setting?
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Sara,


We actually came up with the idea of taking pictures of the rough and documenting it for each stone that we cut in the future during an eight hour meeting at the Vegas show last June. The stones that have been purchased since then are just now starting to come on to the market.


You are correct in assuming that your diamond was cut before we started to do this.


Wink
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Thanks, Wink. I guess my Infinity was "born prematurely" (!) then!

I got a laugh out of your description of the "eight-hour meeting" that generated this idea -- sounds a lot like labor!
 
The pics of the rough are starting to get loaded up on the website.
 
Date: 10/5/2009 11:08:28 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
The pics of the rough are starting to get loaded up on the website.
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Where did you see that, Stone? I just looked and I can''t find any stones that have pics. of the rough. (I did notice there are a lot more stones < 1.0 carat available, which is great -- I''d kill for two @.50 Infinity stones for earring studs!).
 
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