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kama_s|1319233739|3045025 said:What??? Are you guys being real?? I PAID for my seat - my ENTIRE seat and ALL of it's functionalities. I get it is hard for taller folks - my husband is 6'5 and he has a difficult time fitting in his seat. Only then is a polite conversation warranted. What is up with people being jerks to the person reclining their seat???![]()
Only exception: during meal/snack time. All seats should be back in upright and ensure the person behind has finished eating/drinking before you recline it again.
I did read it, and I the couple of times I've tried it, I've been told something along the lines of the arguments presented in this thread. Or that they'll put it back up when the food comes. One time someone was kind enough to pull back long enough for me to uncross my legs, since their abrupt reclining motion lead to me being completely trapped due to the position of my legs when they did it. I am guessing people don't feel very sympathetic since for a man who is 6'5" his discomfort is immediately obvious, even though I have more leg than my 6'6" ex or my 6'4" stepdad.kama_s|1319235615|3045062 said:MissStepcut|1319234834|3045044 said:I disagree. This doesn't change where my thigh bone reaches to. I will still be as crushed as if I hadn't reclined.kama_s|1319234731|3045043 said:Packie, i have to ask, how often do you fly? If the person infront of you reclines, then you recline your seat. Simple as that. And you can still get in and out of your seat. You're squished, not stuck.
Really, though, it sounds like people are being inconvenienced by the lack of space. The anger is being displaced to the person reclining their seat when really this is an issue that should be taken up with the big guys running these tightly packed aircrafts.
If you read my previous post, you will see that I mentioned that my husband has the same issue and initiates a polite conversation requesting the person in front of him to reduce the recline angle so they can both reach a happy middle ground. But that space is not your right, and if you have an issue with that you have to take it up with the airline and not the person sitting in front of you.
The person in front of you could have had the guy in front of him recline. And with you forcing him not to recline his seat, he will definitely be stuck between a rock and a hard place. And he probably paid the same you did - so what gives?
wildcat03|1319241116|3045147 said:I recline for some portion of the flight maybe 50% of the time I fly, usually triggered by the person in front of me reclining. I'm short - 5'0" so my legs are never cramped etc. I do sort of consider it my privilege to recline if I so choose. It's not MY fault that the person behind me is 6'0" (and I didn't see them jumping up to help when I was struggling to get my carry-on into the overhead compartment).
DH is 6'4" and far from a tiny man, so I do my best for bulkhead and emergency for his comfort. But if someone's going to lay his head back in my husbands crotch, that's beyond my threshold for tolerance.kama_s|1319233739|3045025 said:I get it is hard for taller folks - my husband is 6'5 and he has a difficult time fitting in his seat.
UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE DECADE. I have been nicknamed Spewy by 4 of my last significant others, and not one knew in advance about that name. My family calls me that now too. I barf with alarming frequency, especially on a plane.kama_s|1319233833|3045028 said:ame|1319232816|3045017 said:If you recline your seat into my space, you better expect me to be INSANELY obnoxious to you the entire duration of your reclining time. I will make your rest absolute HELL assuming you can get any. Ill pull on your seat by leaning on my tray table will all 200 of my pounds, Ill kick my knees into it and need to reach down often to pick things up from my bag making my face be RIGHT in yours where you can smell my death breath. Ill have my music so loud teh whole plane can hear it even with headphones on. And when I vomit, which I tend to do on all of my flights despite all attempts not to, I won't be as sorry if a little hits you.
You're a real peach to travel with.
I very much disagree. They are oblivious. It's less about intention. They think they're so much more important than any other paying customer and that their comfort is of the utmost attention.jstarfireb|1319238203|3045100 said:The reclining person's "rudeness" (I use quotes because I still don't think it's rude at all) is unintentional and yours is purposeful.
sparklyheart|1319250160|3045228 said:I want to know what airlines you guys are flying on. I've never had a seat that reclines so much that it gets in my way.. And I've never seen them get in other people's way.. I always look behind me before I recline to make sure I'm not hitting anything but I think it's just courteous to let the person behind me know the seat it going to move..
Y'all must fly on roomier airlines than me!!!
ame|1319248242|3045209 said:DH is 6'4" and far from a tiny man, so I do my best for bulkhead and emergency for his comfort. But if someone's going to lay his head back in my husbands crotch, that's beyond my threshold for tolerance.kama_s|1319233739|3045025 said:I get it is hard for taller folks - my husband is 6'5 and he has a difficult time fitting in his seat.
UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE DECADE. I have been nicknamed Spewy by 4 of my last significant others, and not one knew in advance about that name. My family calls me that now too. I barf with alarming frequency, especially on a plane.kama_s|1319233833|3045028 said:ame|1319232816|3045017 said:If you recline your seat into my space, you better expect me to be INSANELY obnoxious to you the entire duration of your reclining time. I will make your rest absolute HELL assuming you can get any. Ill pull on your seat by leaning on my tray table will all 200 of my pounds, Ill kick my knees into it and need to reach down often to pick things up from my bag making my face be RIGHT in yours where you can smell my death breath. Ill have my music so loud teh whole plane can hear it even with headphones on. And when I vomit, which I tend to do on all of my flights despite all attempts not to, I won't be as sorry if a little hits you.
You're a real peach to travel with.
But I am also "all business" when travelling. I don't like flying, because I don't like being trapped in the air in a tube full of other people Im already generally annoyed by, I am already claustrophobic enough on dry land and I am a nervous stomach on a flight as it is. So when my space that is already limited is seriously encroached on by some selfish jackass, that makes me a raging a-hole back. If they lean it back a TINY amount, fine, but if it's seriously in my space and I cannot move...that's when I start getting clausterphobic. More than I already am. I cannot control the barfing. That's usually seriously like it happens without warning. Most times I do get a little weird feeling and I know it, but boy have I been surprised by the projection a few times.
I generally am not obnoxious at all on a flight, until like I said, someone leans all the way back and can rest their head on my chest.
I very much disagree. They are oblivious. It's less about intention. They think they're so much more important than any other paying customer and that their comfort is of the utmost attention.jstarfireb|1319238203|3045100 said:The reclining person's "rudeness" (I use quotes because I still don't think it's rude at all) is unintentional and yours is purposeful.
ame|1319232816|3045017 said:If you recline your seat into my space, you better expect me to be INSANELY obnoxious to you the entire duration of your reclining time. I will make your rest absolute HELL assuming you can get any. Ill pull on your seat by leaning on my tray table will all 200 of my pounds, Ill kick my knees into it and need to reach down often to pick things up from my bag making my face be RIGHT in yours where you can smell my death breath. Ill have my music so loud teh whole plane can hear it even with headphones on. And when I vomit, which I tend to do on all of my flights despite all attempts not to, I won't be as sorry if a little hits you.
My husband has been stuck in his seat on an 8 hour flight before because the douchebag in front of him popped a xanax and passed out reclined, That sticks 3-5 other people who are beside and behind you in their seats til YOU are damn good and ready to sit back up. They either need to take the reclining option away, or only allow it to go back like a degree so that it doesn't interfere with anyone behind the person. I need to be able to use my table and move.
ame|1319248242|3045209 said:. . . So when my space that is already limited is seriously encroached on by some selfish jackass, that makes me a raging a-hole back. If they lean it back a TINY amount, fine, but if it's seriously in my space and I cannot move...that's when I start getting clausterphobic. More than I already am. I cannot control the barfing. That's usually seriously like it happens without warning. Most times I do get a little weird feeling and I know it, but boy have I been surprised by the projection a few times.
Autumnovember|1319260180|3045291 said:ame|1319248242|3045209 said:I very much disagree. They are oblivious. It's less about intention. They think they're so much more important than any other paying customer and that their comfort is of the utmost attention.jstarfireb|1319238203|3045100 said:The reclining person's "rudeness" (I use quotes because I still don't think it's rude at all) is unintentional and yours is purposeful.
Wowwwww. I definitely don't think I'm better than anyone else because I recline my chair. Maybe the person who thinks I shouldnt recline because they're somehow better than any other paying customer and that their comfort is of the utmost attention is oblivious and rude.
kenny|1319261271|3045298 said:ame|1319248242|3045209 said:. . . So when my space that is already limited is seriously encroached on by some selfish jackass, that makes me a raging a-hole back. If they lean it back a TINY amount, fine, but if it's seriously in my space and I cannot move...that's when I start getting clausterphobic. More than I already am. I cannot control the barfing. That's usually seriously like it happens without warning. Most times I do get a little weird feeling and I know it, but boy have I been surprised by the projection a few times.
ame, seats don't go far enough back to touch your chest or your husbands crotch.
That is exaggerating.
Based on all your conditions and problems that you have shared with us I recommend you never fly, or fly first class where your conditions and problems will be less aggravated by society just using what they are entitled to use because of the seat design, not to mention they paid for it.
If you actually did what you said you'd do to a reclining passenger you are risking arrest when the plane lands.
Such an overreaction is way beyond anti-social, and today they just do not put up with adults having temper tantrums on flights.
I would argue that the space we rent with our tickets includes not only the seat we sit on, but also those few inches that our seats recline.
It's fair because it applies to not only the person in front of you, but also to YOU.
When someone reclines in front of you, just recline your seat and you will regain all that space that you apparently feel was stolen from you by a "selfish jackass".
They get to recline, and you get to recline. It's a wash. No problem.
We are not flying alone - unless you are Donald Trump or Obama.
We have to share and cooperate to get along in today's horribly cramped jets.
TravelingGal|1319253528|3045255 said:I don't know about rights, but I do what I think is polite.
On short flights of 2 hours or less, I never recline. Actually, I normally don't recline for anything under 3.5 hours (my usual connection from LAX to O'Hare.
On longer flights, I will never recline during a meal (so that means an International flight). On these long flights, I also do not recline for the first couple of hours before the meal comes.
Now, on an international 14 hour flight to Australia, everyone reclines, and no one seems to have an issue with it. It's assumed you will sleep, so people seem to understand. I also look behind me and try to make eye contact to let the person know I am going to recline. No one likes a surprise recliner...they can have drinks on their tray table, etc.
On a longer domestic flight, same applies as an intl flight if it's a red eye. If it's a long day time flight, I look at the person behind me to see if they are reclining. If they are, fair game. If they are not and they look tall, I can usually deal with not reclining.
The only time it bothers me if someone reclines on me is during a meal. Then I'll lean in and ask them to sit straight. I've never had anyone not apologize and get their chair back up.
I find Americans seem to want to recline more than my limited experience flying in Europe/Australia.