Do you have a Brut?

[sabinameister]

I have a question regarding the girdle. My first stone had a brut cut that FI didn''t even know existed, I just noticed something white on the stone thinking it was dirty one day during my daily inspections

. SO we brought it into the jeweler and he told us we could get it faceted but lose carat weight..HELL NO

well as luck would later have it, I had a chip on my girdle and had my stone replaced with a faceted girdle. Much better! But I was mad that they never disclosed to FI what a brut girdle was and they told us that about half of the diamonds are cut this way.

Is this true? What purpose does a brut cut girdle serve? Mine was obvious to me and I didn''t like it, does anyone have one to share pics of? Thanks!

Sabina

 

[diagem]

What color grade was your "bruted" Diamond?

 

[sabinameister]

It was an H, then the new one the jeweler upgraded me to an F 1.12 from an H 1.10 without the extra charge b/c I was pissed with their service or lack of.

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/14/2008 11:55:17 AM
Author: sabinameister
It was an H, then the new one the jeweler upgraded me to an F 1.12 from an H 1.10 without the extra charge b/c I was pissed with their service or lack of.

Nice guy....

There is a myth (which has never proved itself...)!

Some cutters always thought that bruting the girdle of a tinted Diamond would make it appear whiter...

No proof..., its based on a stone to stone basis!!!

 

[sabinameister]

Oh that is interesting, the side of it appeared whiter with the ugly ring around it. I just don;t ge it. I could see if the stone was surrounded completely like in a bezel setting so one couldn''t see the girdle, but brute cuts are just not attractive, it looks like a flaw, and then of course mine chipped on the girdle b.c of it. Do stones with a G or lower color grade tend to have brutes? Why wouldn''t the jeweler let my Fi know when he was buying it, I wonder? He was picking up the stone with tweezer things so he never noticed it, plus it wasn''t a cert. stone so it didn''t say anything on the paper of course about the girdle

Are there any pics our there with rings with the brute girldle that people can share?

 

[Fly Girl]

When I was shopping for a new diamond last year, I specified the color, size, clarity, cut, and added that I did not want a bruted girdle.

The jeweler called in 3 stones. She opened the paper on one, and I could see the bruted girdle from across her desk, and said, "Nope, not that one. Girdle is bruted." She was shocked that I could tell.

She had to pick up her loupe to check, and she is many years younger than me.

I might be in my 50s, but the eyes haven''t gone yet!

I agree, bruted girdles are obvious and unattractive.

 

[pixley]

I have a bruted girdle, but in my case, I think it was left unfaceted to preserve carat weight (my stone is only 1.01 carats and it would've gone below 1 carat had the girdle been faceted). It's off being set at the moment so I can't offer you a profile shot of the stone, but I don't know if the chip you incurred is related to the bruted girdle. Perhaps the girdle on your stone was thin, which made it more susceptible to chipping. I think a cert will usually say "faceted" if the girdle is faceted, but will not say "bruted" if the girdle isn't faceted. Just something to take note of if this is an issue for you. I don't mind the bruted girdle, as it's not really noticeable to me or anyone else, but they reportedly can hold a little more dirt than faceted girdles, so I know that I need to be extra diligent about keeping it clean.

 

[coatimundi_org]

Date: 3/14/2008 12:10:57 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 3/14/2008 11:55:17 AM

Author: sabinameister

It was an H, then the new one the jeweler upgraded me to an F 1.12 from an H 1.10 without the extra charge b/c I was pissed with their service or lack of.

Nice guy....

There is a myth (which has never proved itself...)!


Some cutters always thought that bruting the girdle of a tinted Diamond would make it appear whiter...


No proof..., its based on a stone to stone basis!!!

Interesting! I've heard many things. I have a bruted girdle on my K colored round. There is also a natural on the girdle. My appraiser actually prefers a bruted girdle. I really have no preference, and I do wonder if my stone was cut in this way, because of the color and the presence of the natural. I like the look of both bruted and faceted.

Also, my girdle's finish is very fine. It's beautifully done. I've heard that some can have a sort of raw edge (from feathering) that probably looks like a flaw. This is most probably the result of poor cutting. I wouldn't diss on bruted girdles though, it all depends on how each individual stone is cut.

Sabine, how thin was your girdle? A chip is not going to be caused by a bruted girdle, but may be caused by a very/extremely thin girdle.

 

[sabinameister]

Well, the jeweler actually told us that is what most likely caused it to chip, if it wasn''t for my constant staring at in at different angles and lights I wouldn''t of noticed the chip, I don''t think. If you go to my post my Tacori Bling New to this post from yesterday, the pic with my wedding band and e-ring together has the diamond with the bruted girdle and it can be seen from the angle the pic was taken. I''ll try to post the pic when I get home if you''d like...

 

[sabinameister]

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-tacori-bling-new-to-the-board.80809/

Here''s the link, sorry this is way easier than finding the post I guess huh?

 

[coatimundi_org]

Date: 3/14/2008 4:47:23 PM
Author: sabinameister
Well, the jeweler actually told us that is what most likely caused it to chip, if it wasn't for my constant staring at in at different angles and lights I wouldn't of noticed the chip, I don't think. If you go to my post my Tacori Bling New to this post from yesterday, the pic with my wedding band and e-ring together has the diamond with the bruted girdle and it can be seen from the angle the pic was taken. I'll try to post the pic when I get home if you'd like...

Your ring is lovely! Love that tacori setting.

I don't believe that a bruted girdle would cause your stone to chip. It is most likely because of a extremely/very thin girdle or an inclusion near the girdle edge. This jeweler sold you an uncertified stone. The chip may have been there when he sold it. Honestly I would not trust a jeweler who told me my stone chipped because of a bruted girdle. I'm thinking he replaced your H with a slightly larger F (without extra cost), because he may have known about the chip, and he doesn't want any trouble. Many rounds have bruted girdles--this is not at all uncommon. Do you know the thickness of the girdle that chipped? That would tell a lot.

Here's a link on girdle info.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/girdle.asp

 

[CaptAubrey]

Date: 3/14/2008 5:28:51 PM
Author: coatimundi

I don''t believe that a bruted girdle would cause your stone to chip. It is most likely because of a extremely/very thin girdle or an inclusion near the girdle edge. This jeweler sold you an uncertified stone. The chip may have been there when he sold it. Honestly I would not trust a jeweler who told me my stone chipped because of a bruted girdle. I''m thinking he replaced your H with a slightly larger F (without extra cost), because he may have known about the chip, and he doesn''t want any trouble. Many rounds have bruted girdles--this is not at all uncommon. Do you know the thickness of the girdle that chipped? That would tell a lot.

Well... it''s possible, actually, because the frosted surface you see as bruting is really a mass of tiny cracks and fracture surfaces, some larger than others. In some cases, the bruting can be bad enough that the cracks are visible under standard magnification. A badly bruted girdle could have a crack big enough that it could become a chip if struck the right way.