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I probably should have posted this earlier, but for a family reunion type thing our family is going to Disneyworld next month. We have some plans (going to see Cirque de soliel, and kids going to Mickey''s not so Scarey halloween party), but I am kind of lost on basics. We will have the passes where you can go to 1 resort per day, and the meal plan where you get the vouchers towards a certain number of meals and snacks per day. Our kids are 5 1/2 and 2.
I guess what I would want to ask,
1) if you had 4 days, which resorts would you go to, and which attractions are must sees, and 2) for meals do we need reservations? If so, and with having kids, what restaurants would you recommend to go?
 
I can''t help you on resorts, as I''ve only stayed at the Wilderness Lodge, but I can tell you a few things about Disney World having been there loads of times. The kids will most likely enjoy Magic Kingdom the best (it has the most kid-friendly rides) - and they would most likely be very bored at Epcot (although, Epcot is a favorite amongst adults, and it''s my favorite by FAR).

The kids would also love Animal Kingdom - be sure to take them on a safari ride - the 5 and 1/2 year old would love it! Although, it''s a VERY bumpy ride! Also, be sure to stay at Magic Kingdom at least one night for the fireworks show - it''s unbelievable!

One restaurant that the kids would enjoy would be Rainforest Cafe in Downtown Disney - but make sure you call for a resveration as it gets PACKED!
 
Date: 9/24/2008 5:06:33 PM
Author:part gypsy
I probably should have posted this earlier, but for a family reunion type thing our family is going to Disneyworld next month. We have some plans (going to see Cirque de soliel, and kids going to Mickey''s not so Scarey halloween party), but I am kind of lost on basics. We will have the passes where you can go to 1 resort per day, and the meal plan where you get the vouchers towards a certain number of meals and snacks per day. Our kids are 5 1/2 and 2.

I guess what I would want to ask,

1) if you had 4 days, which resorts would you go to, and which attractions are must sees, and 2) for meals do we need reservations? If so, and with having kids, what restaurants would you recommend to go?
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Yayy Disney! I''d consider myself an expert so I love giving others advice and tips. I haven''t been in a couple of years so hopefully thigns haven''t changed too much. This is what I recommend:

Magic Kingdom- its mostly all kiddie rides and attractions. If you like Pineapple, there is a fresh pineapple stand where they do pineapple juice, ice cream, parfaits. It''s SOO good and located by Pirates of the Caribbean ride. I went on Alien Encounter when I was in about 4th grade... I do NOT recommend it for children. Kids always love the Teacup ride.

Animal Kingdom- It''s not as cutesy as Magic Kingdom but there are some good attractions if your kids like animals. Kilamanjaro Safari is a great ride where you get to see lots of animals. There is a McDonalds in the park that goes by some kind of dinosaur name. They have a limited menu but you get to sit inside in the air conditioning which isn''t always the case at some of the food stands. There is a giant tree in the middle of the park that used to have "A Bug''s Life" 4D kind of show. It was cute but could possibly be scary for a 2 year old.

Epcot and MGM aren''t extremely kid friendly but Epcot does have alot of cool things. It''s more of a leisurely day as they only have a couple of rides and lots of shopping and exhibits. I can''t think of anything at MGM that would be kid-friendly unless they like thrill rides. If you do go, Rock-n-Rollercoaster and Tower of Terror are musts for the adults.

Downtown Disney- There is a place there called DisneyQuest (hope its still there). They have activities for kids of all ages... creative stuff, video games, this thing were you make a rollercoaster on the computer and then actually get in a little pod and ride what you made! I loved it there!
 
I would recommend getting reservations for meals IF You don''t want waits. Definitely go to The main parks, Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom, Epcot, and MGM. Downtown Disney has a marketplace on the northern end, it is way fun for all and has a Ghiradelli Ice Creamery that is phenomenal. We usually eat in the Market as well at the Rainforest Cafe which is very good and fun for the kids because of the built in rainforest that does stuff. If you wanted to do something not Disney you could go to Arabian Knights or the Midieval Times Dinner Theatres. They usually have a meet the cast after too which is fun for all. Make sure to go on Soarin at Epcot, I don''t think there is a height limit as it doesn''t REALLY go anywhere, just simulates. Make sure the kids have autograph books for the characters, they''ll always remember it. Don''t go anywhere near Universal during Halloween time..... ever. Way crowded and way to scary for kids. Disney has two water parks, but it''s been a bit cool, so check weather before you plan to go there, don''t want colds to be caught. Lets see what else what else..... You can take the monorail to most of the on site resorts, some of them have good restaurants like the Hawaii based one (not sure what the name of it is) and you get leis there too! Make sure you show the kids the Tigers and Gorillas at Animal Kingdom, who knows when they might have the chance again. If you eat at Epcot, France is great!! As is Mexico. I''m sure Italy is probably good too.
If you have an adult dinner night and don''t want to go to a park, Go to International Drive to a restaurant called Cafe Tu Tu Tango, Fantastic Tapas restaurant. AMAZING. The walls are hung with paintings and other artwork by local artists who actually work there, they hvae poetry readings and salsa dancers and belly dancers. Great great food!
oooo and if you''re lucky, and get to the monorail early, the kids might get to ride with the driver up front, fantastic thing to do.
Don''t miss the parades. Make sure to get a Micky Mouse Ice Cream Bar, Try to get as many rides in as you can, and have lots of fun... hope this helps from a native floridian.
 
Rainforest Cafe is great but a bit overpriced. The atmosphere is nice though and fun for kids. The cobb salad is very good!

There's Planet Hollywood at downtown disney also. Make a reservation for this if they'll take them.

Some restaurants I WOULDNT recommend are the African one at Animal Kingdom Lodge. It's a buffet and there really aren't a lot of kid-friendly options. I'd not a picky eater but I had a hard time finding foods I liked when I was a 17 year old. Also, there used to be a seafood place at Epcot... don't remember the name. One whole wall is part of the giant aquarium so its a nice atmosphere and cool to see but also not a lot of kiddie options and the prices are high.

Downtown Disney also has a leggo store with a giant leggo dragon or something. Very cool if your kids like leggos!

One of the nicer hotels, I'll have to check on which one, sets up a lifesize gingerbread house that sells cookies and stuff. The monorail will take you there and its fun to take pics in front of. They put up Christmas decor early so I think it might be set up when you go.
 
I go to Disney a few times a year with my family. For the first time traveler with 2 small children if I were you I would spend 2 days at Magic Kingdom, 1 day at Animal Kingdom, and 1 day at Disney''s Hollywood studios (formerly MGM.) If you didn''t already make dinner reservations, it''s going to be tough to get them now but you definitely need to try or otherwise you won''t get in the sit-down restaurants. Go to the website allears.net and read, read, read. It lists everything to do in the parks and it has the menus for every restaurant. Every restaurant, except for Victoria & Alberts in the Grand Floridian resort, is kid friendly no matter how fancy the menu.

Let us know where you are staying and I can give you a few more dining tips.

You are going to have such a great time.
 
Well, as a former cast member....I do know a few things...

I worked mainly in resorts and F&B so I know where the good food is ;)

They have T-Rex opening up at DTD in a few weeks! (It's owned by Landry's/Rainforest...Pleasure Island is closing up on the 27th of this month...they are putting more shops and eateries in place of the clubs and bars.

If you haven't tried Boma (AKL) yet, you should go. They say it's "African" food but, like all things, it is americanized. The cous cous is awesome as well as the chicken and the many soups they have. The Carrot Ginger soup is a must-have. They also have these desserts called "Zebra Domes" which are made with Amarula (a liqueur similar to Baileys.The Kid Pod has Chicken Tenders, Mac and Cheese, French Fries, Penne Pasta with Meatballs, ect. Also the chef can come out and assist with special dietary requests...All you have to do is notate it at the podium.

Jiko (AKL) is also amazing! They are 4 diamond rated by AAA and definitely provide great food. Their filet mignon has an awesome red wine reduction with some awesome macaroni that they pair with the meat! They also have the most extensive collection of South African wines...

California Grill in the Contemporary Resort is amazing! Their sushi is awesome and their food is dynamite (I haven't had a bad thing there). Plus the views are amazing. You can see MK park from the windows and if you are placed just right, a view of Cinderella's Castle during Wishes!


Park restaurants are kinda mediocre....

I liked the Hollywood Brown Derby (Hollywood Studios) they have this awesome grapefruit cake (they even give you the recipe for it to take with you).

In EPCOT, I liked the table service restaurant (San Angel Inn) in Mexico......it was good!!
Biergarten wasn't the best, Mitsukoshi (the Japanese place) is awesome.... they cook the food at the Mongolian grill right in front of you, make volcanoes out of onions...its good fun....

If you need anymore advice, or good servers to recommend, let me know....


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If you have daughters.. I especially loved having brunch with Cinderella in her castle. She was there before and after for pictures and I remember the butter was in the shape of a pumpkin/carriage. Very cute and fun.

And oh my gosh.. my favorite thing was one of those 3D shows called Mickey''s Philhar Magic show. It is SO cool!!!!!! I won''t ruin it for you, but basically you get to be "in" some of Disney''s most famous scenes.
 
As for dining reservations, they take them up to 180 days in advance....and are HIGHLY recommended. If you get in a pickle, the managers have their own templates at each of their locations for additional reservations if the reservation center tells you there is no more available. All you have to do is call the location directly and speak with a manager. As a walk-up...don't expect to get in to the table service restaurants at dinner time....unless you are coming right at opening or right at closing...

**Note the reservation # for restaurants is 407-WDW-DINE (that takes you to the DRC centers which are 3rd party affiliated cost centers in the surrounding area (Tampa, Miami, ect), they simply have access to the reservation booking system.)

On the Disney Dining Plan (it depends on which type you have) You are entitled to one snack, one quick service and one table service coupon per day. Keep in mind that the "nicer restaurants" such as Jiko, V&A, Cal Grill, ect take 2 TSR coupons per GUEST....So you would use up your coupons more quickly!

*Note: You can't "trade in" your quick service coupons for table service, BUT disney will let you "downgrade" and use table service for quick service....ugh...

One more note: Since the beginning of this year, gratuities are NOT included with the DDP. This means you have to tip either in room charge, cash, or charge card. Many many guests did not know this, especially in January!

If you plan on frequenting Disney often in the future, they also have the "Disney Dining Experience" or now "Tables in Wonderland" discount card (Guest Relations has the info at any park or at the front desk of your resort). It gets you 20 percent off all purchases (food and LIQUOR) however, there is an 18 percent auto-grat for the server if you use it.
 
Other cool things to know about.....

There are kid-friendly activities to do at the resorts if you are too tired or for some reason can't head out to the park right away...

AKL has "Bush Camp" which is cool, they get to do crafts, sample some food from the restaurants and see the animals. It's a nominal fee though and has to be booked through Disney Reservations.

They also have the 8 o'clock parade in the lobby up at the gift shop (Zawadi Marketplace) it's free to participate.

The savanna guides also do "Night Vision" at the AKL at dusk ...it's past the Pool Bar and the hot tub and they let you use real night vision goggles to go see the giraffes and other animals. (this is free as well0.

The "Daily Activities" board is posted by the restrooms in between Jiko and Boma.

The Contemporary Resort's buffet Chef Mickeys (one of the most popular) does a Magical Moment for the very first guest that checks in for dinner. They roll out a red carpet and have your child/children and yourselves honored as the "Family of the Day". You get a commemorative certificate, get to be escorted to your table by Mickey and Minnie and you get the first visit with all of the characters.You also get to sign Mickey's autograph book! (and he signs yours as well....) Keep in mind that place is booked all of the time but Richard the area manager there is awesome and will get you in if they are booked.

Those are just a few of the MANY free activities that happen and each resort and park have their own unique ones..
 
Woo hoo Disney!!!!

Just to add a couple things-Alien Encounter is no longer scary-it is Stitch themed and actually really cute-used to scare the crap outta me and I was in high school last time i was on it-but like I said-not scary anymore...

DEFINITELY do the character dinners/breakfasts. Cinderella''s castle was AWESOME-(I''m 25 and went with FI
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Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are the best places to take the kiddies. Though if they are High School Musical fans-hit up MGM (now Hollywood Studios).

Haunted Mansion was recently redone (I haven''t seen it yet though)

Make sure to see parades, and do character meet and greets.

The dining plan was recently changed and no longer includes gratuity-FI and I are still trying to figure out if it''s as good a deal as it used to be.

I''m so jealous you are going! Have a FABULOUS TIME!!!
 
Wow! Thank you SO MUCH for your feedback. Need to make a list. So much information, almost kind of overwhelming.
It does sound like we will need reservations, so will need to get on the stick and call father-in-law, find out what nights we are doing what. I''m someone who gets cranky if I miss a meal, so I''m not relishing waiting in long lines to eat, which is what I''m afraid of. The night we are doing Cirque we can do an "adult" dinner but besides that has to be kid friendly. My kids are weird in the sense they love seafood, veggies, and ethnic foods (I''m half Greek so I feed them what I eat he he) so the food I''m not so concerned with, more that don''t want to tick people off who paid good money to eat at a nice restaurant having to deal with little kids.
We have already decided (as much as anything) that probably doing 2 days of Magic Kingdom and 1 day Animal Kingdom, but divided whether we are going to MGM or Epcot. I''d like to go to Epcot, but not sure if too much walking for the kiddos.
We are staying I believe at Port Orleans, but can''t remember if it''s Riverside or French Quarter, need to look that up. This is a strange question. Do people usually stay all day at the park, and go straight to dinner? Or do people usually go back to their hotel, freshen up and then go back to the restaurant? I''m thinking with kids especially it seems like a long day to do all in one go. But I don''t know how long it would take to go to and from the hotel, if not practical.
 
In my experience, I''ve seen a 50/50 mix of both. Some people rush on the disney busses from the parks straight to their reservations, others take the leisurely approach and freshen up.

Keep in mind that the "Disney Transport" busses are notorious for being late and or breaking down (as well as the monorail on some occasions) and if you are a bit late to your dinner or lunch reservation, the restaurants will still take you in....

Also, on bit about the "getting around" part. The busses that depart from the resort only go to the theme parks and Downtown Disney....If you want to go from one resort to another, you have to go to either the TTC (ticket and transportation center) or to Downtown Disney (bus service stops at 2 a.m. unless otherwise noted. The monorail only services Magic Kingdom area and stops at Magic Kingdom park, The Grand Floridian, The Polynesian Resort, The Contemporary Resort, Ticket and Transportation Center, and you can switch to the other monorail to go to EPCOT.

Port Orleans is a very nice resort. I like the Riverside as it has very scenic landscape. If you can, stay in Acadian House if you are staying at Riverside. It''s beautiful and not very noisy.

The food court at Port Orleans is the best on property for Quick Service (IMO. They just remodeled it and it has a TON of food options!
 
One more note...BEWARE of Disney's Magical Express if you are doing that to get from the Orlando International Airport and back...

They are TERRIBLE with luggage and my mom's was lost for 9 hours one time!

Do yourself a favor and if you do take the Magical Express bus, carry your luggage with you, or at least a carry-on with essentials! DME is also serviced by Mears Tranportation which is only a contracted affiliate of Disney.
 
Another cool thing for the little ones is the Bibbidi Bobbity Boutique. (it costs money but its so awesome) Basically the girls get to dress up like their favorite princess and the boys can dress up like pirates and or their favorite male character. They get a costume, hair and makeup done, ect and a photo as well.

You do have to make reservations for this. One is in the "World of Disney" store at the Downtown Disney marketplace, the other is in the Magic Kingdom park!

There are different tiers of packages available. DRC has more info on that..

Epcot also has two areas. 'World Showcase" tends to be more of the adult-ish area, also known for the area to "Drink Around the World". (Mexico does have awesome margaritas at their margarita stand!)

The other areas are more kid friendly. The character meet and greet section is indoors and air conditioned (towards the front of the park). The characters that you typically see there are Chip, Dale, Minnie, Donald , and Mickey. They also have this place called "Club Cool" where you get to try different sodas from around the world (all free) sponsored by Coca Cola!
 
I''m glad you are staying at the Port Orleans. It''s beautiful and they have food courts so don''t worry you won''t miss a meal. If you don''t have reservations most likely you won''t get in at all so there won''t be any waits! I suggest Wolfgang Puck''s restaurant at DowntownDisney before Cirque. As for the Princess meal at the castle, Cinderella''s Royal Table, that will be booked solid, I''m afraid(never hurts to call once you are there, though, might be a cancellation.) You can try Norway (in Epcot) princess breakfast or dinner. Akershus is the name of the restaurant.

We have used Disney''s magical express from the airport multiple times and never have had any problems with our luggage but I keep a change of clothes with me just in case anyone needs to change before our bags are delivered to our room.

Whether or not you stay all day in the parks depends on your stamina and if you family are early risers or niight owls. We tend to go to the parks around 9 a.m. and stay until 2 or 3 and then go back to the resort and swim until our dinner reservations.
 
Date: 9/25/2008 11:15:42 AM
Author: part gypsy
Wow! Thank you SO MUCH for your feedback. Need to make a list. So much information, almost kind of overwhelming.

It does sound like we will need reservations, so will need to get on the stick and call father-in-law, find out what nights we are doing what. I'm someone who gets cranky if I miss a meal, so I'm not relishing waiting in long lines to eat, which is what I'm afraid of. The night we are doing Cirque we can do an 'adult' dinner but besides that has to be kid friendly. My kids are weird in the sense they love seafood, veggies, and ethnic foods (I'm half Greek so I feed them what I eat he he) so the food I'm not so concerned with, more that don't want to tick people off who paid good money to eat at a nice restaurant having to deal with little kids.

We have already decided (as much as anything) that probably doing 2 days of Magic Kingdom and 1 day Animal Kingdom, but divided whether we are going to MGM or Epcot. I'd like to go to Epcot, but not sure if too much walking for the kiddos.

We are staying I believe at Port Orleans, but can't remember if it's Riverside or French Quarter, need to look that up. This is a strange question. Do people usually stay all day at the park, and go straight to dinner? Or do people usually go back to their hotel, freshen up and then go back to the restaurant? I'm thinking with kids especially it seems like a long day to do all in one go. But I don't know how long it would take to go to and from the hotel, if not practical.
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I usually go freshen up and maybe take a quick nap before dinner unless we are just doing fast food or something. We took the buses everywhere and they run pretty frequently. I don't remember exactly but it probably takes 30-45 minutes to get from the hotel to the park. All of the walking and sun gives me a headache so I like to have a little down time. I'd recommend doing that if you have small children. I didn't know about High School Musical at MGM so if your kids are into that already then that might be a good choice, otherwise I HIGHLY recommend Epcot for the cultural experience. I think they also have that Nemo exhibit now where Crush talks to you or something. They have strollers for kids.


ETA: Has anyone been on the Norway ride recently? I went in high school and the dark portrayal, trolls, and going backwards to the edge of a waterfall, scared the beejeebus out of me! Have they changed that?
 
I just got back from Disney World a couple of weeks ago. We stayed at Port Orleans Riverside and it is my favorite Disney resort. The dining plan has changed this year and one thing we were surprised about was the gratiuity. It is no longer included. There were 4 adults and the suggested tips were coming out to about around $40 a meal. Some of my favorite resturants are Le Celliar steakhouse (Epcot), Coral Reef (Epcot) and Spoodles (Boardwalk). The website allearsnet.com has menus listed on it to help plan where you want to eat. I also strongly suggest making reservations asap. Also, if you will be drinking they are offering this new program called wine and dine. I think its like 20 a night and it entitles you to one bottle of wine a night for every night your there. I think its per room and can be used while you are out at resturants. I regret not doing this since the wine in most resturants was very expensive.

I highly recommend the Halloween show at Magic Kingdom. I saw it 2 years ago and it was the best fireworks I have ever seen. Plus all the kids running around trick or treating is really cute. Its a good time.
 
Another place you can look up info is on DISboards.com
 
Date: 9/25/2008 11:34:04 AM
Author: PrincessDijon
Another cool thing for the little ones is the Bibbidi Bobbity Boutique. (it costs money but its so awesome) Basically the girls get to dress up like their favorite princess and the boys can dress up like pirates and or their favorite male character. They get a costume, hair and makeup done, ect and a photo as well.

You do have to make reservations for this. One is in the ''World of Disney'' store at the Downtown Disney marketplace, the other is in the Magic Kingdom park!

There are different tiers of packages available. DRC has more info on that..

Epcot also has two areas. ''World Showcase'' tends to be more of the adult-ish area, also known for the area to ''Drink Around the World''. (Mexico does have awesome margaritas at their margarita stand!)

The other areas are more kid friendly. The character meet and greet section is indoors and air conditioned (towards the front of the park). The characters that you typically see there are Chip, Dale, Minnie, Donald , and Mickey. They also have this place called ''Club Cool'' where you get to try different sodas from around the world (all free) sponsored by Coca Cola!
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I LOVED that! There was some kind of watermelon one when i was there last and it was sooo yummy!
 
Yes the Norway ride still goes backwards. It''s pretty tame though, you were probably scared because you didn''t know what was coming.
 
Thanks so much for the info. I didn''t even think about the transpo issues. Talked to Dad in law yesterday. We are going to be at Riverside, doing the Halloween party Sunday, and Cirque Tues and Wed (in 2 groups). He said we will be getting packets of information. He hasn''t made any dinner reservations since he didn''t want to overschedule, especially especially with little kids involved. Also when he went a couple years ago he didn''t have any problem calling ahead to get a table (but it sounds like that''s changed). I may not make reservations every night, but maybe for a couple. I made a list from both the Frommer''s and Mousesavers what they recommended.
Thanks so much for the info, trying to digest it all.
 
OK, another question. What would you say are the must-sees (3,4) for each resort?

Right now have
Magic kingdom: teacup ride, Cinderella''s Castle, It''s a Small world ride
Animal Kingdom: safari ride
Epcot: Soarin ride
MGM?
 
Magic Kingdom - Teacups, haunted mansion, the train roller coaster (great for kids and adults), Pirates of the Caribbean, It''s a Small World (DO NOT SKIP), the parades, the steam engine train (ride it at least once). Tom Sawer''s Island, fun to explore.
Animal Kingdom - Tigers, Gorillas, The new roller coaster, really you want to see as many of the animals as you can, oooo AND THE GREAT TREE it is amazing, the great tree is a man made tree in the center of the park, it has hundreds of different animals carved into the trunk, branches, and roots, beautiful beautiful work of art! I believe Africa has a ride kindof like a safari type ride.
Epcot - Soarin, the ride in Mexico is cute and fun, try to catch the Japanese drum show.
MGM - Honey I shrunk the kids lolololololololol

A few other things. In the area where The Jungle Cruise adventure is, there is a place that sells ice cream and smoothies, by the magic carpet ride, it''s on the end. They have GREAT Smoothies. If you want a cheap but yummy lunch, go to frontierland to the restaurant right in front of the haunted mansion, they have sandwiches, fish, chicken (very good chicken) etc.
 
Date: 9/26/2008 12:32:14 PM
Author: part gypsy
OK, another question. What would you say are the must-sees (3,4) for each resort?

Right now have
Magic kingdom: teacup ride, Cinderella's Castle, It's a Small world ride
Animal Kingdom: safari ride
Epcot: Soarin ride
MGM?
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Magic Kingdom- Priates of The Caribbean (ok for kids other than a small dip at the beginning that might scare them) , Splash Mountain if someone can watch the kids, Mickey's PhilharMagic (very cute!), haunted mansion (not very scary)
MGM- Rockin Rollercoaster (especially if you like Aerosmith!!) for adults and Tower of Terror for the adults
Animal Kingdom- kilamanjaro safari, there's a boat ride... don't remember what its called... but you don't get wet or anything and its good for kids
Epcot- Coca Cola Exhibit, aquarium

Make sure you get Fast Passes (I think thats what they are called). You go to a popular ride and get an electronic ticket that tells you what time to come back. You go back at that time and get to pass up almost the entire line. Usually it gives you time to do 1 other attraction while you otherwise would be waiting in line.

It might be fun for your kids to watch for "Hidden Mickeys". There are randomly placed mickey-head shaped things in the park... maybe a painted one on the ground, a tile mosaic, or 3 plates put together to make the shape. They're everywhere!
 
OK whew. Went ahead and the day we are doing Epcot, will have the Princess dinner at Norway, and the last day we are at Magic Kingdom will do the Crystal Palace breakfast Buffet with the Winnie the Pooh characters. Yes the Cinderella meal was completely booked but I am relieved we have these reservations as I know my daughter will be thrilled with the princess meal.

I''m thinking I would still like to book a couple reservations, such as the rainforest cafe for lunch the day we are at Animal Kingdom, and hopefully the Puck cafe'' before the Cirque show, but I think that will be it. I know that some other of our group was interested in the Morrocan restaurant at Epcot (I think because of the belly dancers ; )).
 
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