Did I pay a good price?

[biostockman]

Hi Everyone! I''m a long time student of this forum, first time poster. I just bought a stone and am looking for some feedback as to whether or not I paid a decent price...

1.05ct
F Color
SI1
AGSL Certified
Very Good Cut
Excellent Symmetry
Very Good Polish
Paid $3840

Thanks in advance for your response!!

 

[biostockman]

Oops, I mean AGLS certified.

 

[Lorelei]

Welcome!

Did you buy the diamond online or from a jeweller and was the price just for the stone or a complete ring please? If you wish, post all the proportions and details on the report such as depth, table, crown and pavilion angles and so on, then we can give you more info on the cut quality.

 

[stone-cold11]

So you are saying it is not graded by AGS but by a lab known as AGLS? What is the full name of the lab?

Can you also list down all the proportion of the stone?

 

[biostockman]

Thanks to both of you for responding! I bought the stone online from James Allen. It has an AGS certificate and the only other dimensions I have are as follows...

Measurements: 6.45 - 6.47 x 4.03
Total Depth: 62.4
Table: 57.3

I''m going to attempt to attach the cert onto this...

 

[stone-cold11]

Price seems good then.

Proportion wise might not be the best but could be good. Do you have an Idealscope image you can share?

 

[biostockman]

I did see the idealscope image but its not available any longer.

 

[haagen_dazs]

interesting
first time i am seeing a AGS 2 graded report...
i read that if diamonds make it to the AGS 2 or worse, vendors would just submit the reports to GIA to try to get a "better" report..

 

[biostockman]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:08:20 PM
Author: haagen_dazs
interesting

first time i am seeing a AGS 2 graded report...

i read that if diamonds make it to the AGS 2 or worse, vendors would just submit the reports to GIA to try to get a ''better'' report..

Hmmm... Is that a good or bad thing for me? I just learned about AGS a few days ago. Are they more or less liberal with their grading than GIA?

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:12:02 PM
Author: biostockman

Date: 9/29/2009 5:08:20 PM
Author: haagen_dazs
interesting

first time i am seeing a AGS 2 graded report...

i read that if diamonds make it to the AGS 2 or worse, vendors would just submit the reports to GIA to try to get a ''better'' report..

Hmmm... Is that a good or bad thing for me? I just learned about AGS a few days ago. Are they more or less liberal with their grading than GIA?

AGS and GIA are similar as far as how strict their grading is, they just have different ways of reporting it.

 

[biostockman]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:23:39 PM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 9/29/2009 5:12:02 PM

Author: biostockman

Date: 9/29/2009 5:08:20 PM

Author: haagen_dazs

interesting


first time i am seeing a AGS 2 graded report...


i read that if diamonds make it to the AGS 2 or worse, vendors would just submit the reports to GIA to try to get a ''better'' report..

Hmmm... Is that a good or bad thing for me? I just learned about AGS a few days ago. Are they more or less liberal with their grading than GIA?

AGS and GIA are similar as far as how strict their grading is, they just have different ways of reporting it.

Ahh, ok... Thanks! Does EGL fit in the mix somehow?

 

[haagen_dazs]

you could start of by reading up on grading here
http://diamonds.pricescope.com/grading.asp

quoting link

IGI and EGL are like large statewide universities.

GIA is Ivy League, and AGS is like the MIT rocket-science program.

A polisher or manufacturer sends each diamond (student) to the place it will get the best grade (earn more $).

The good to average go to the large universities (IGI/EGL).

The better ones are sent to the Ivy League (GIA / HRD) and a few nerds go to MIT (AGS).
Drop outs end up in a ‘program’ at a chain store or Joe''s Bar & Grading Lab.

This fun analogy underplays complex factors such as a cutters specialty and client base and a dealers target market.

 

[biostockman]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:29:04 PM
Author: haagen_dazs
you could start of by reading up on grading here

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/grading.asp


quoting link


IGI and EGL are like large statewide universities.


GIA is Ivy League, and AGS is like the MIT rocket-science program.


A polisher or manufacturer sends each diamond (student) to the place it will get the best grade (earn more $).


The good to average go to the large universities (IGI/EGL).


The better ones are sent to the Ivy League (GIA / HRD) and a few nerds go to MIT (AGS).

Drop outs end up in a ‘program’ at a chain store or Joe''s Bar & Grading Lab.


This fun analogy underplays complex factors such as a cutters specialty and client base and a dealers target market.

Hehe... Awesome analogy, thank you!!

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:12:02 PM
Author: biostockman

Date: 9/29/2009 5:08:20 PM

Author: haagen_dazs
interesting
first time i am seeing a AGS 2 graded report...

i read that if diamonds make it to the AGS 2 or worse, vendors would just submit the reports to GIA to try to get a ''better'' report..

Hmmm... Is that a good or bad thing for me? I just learned about AGS a few days ago. Are they more or less liberal with their grading than GIA?

This is different from the performance based cut AGS report you see for ideal cut stone. This is a proportion based cut report.

AGS is on par with GIA on color and clarity grading, cut grading is superior for the performance based grading system and I think on par for the proportion based grading.

 

[JulieN]

you paid a cheap price and you got a cheap stone.

You want AGS 0; some AGS 1 are acceptable. AGS 2 is not good for a round.

 

[haagen_dazs]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:42:31 PM
Author: JulieN
you paid a cheap price and you got a cheap stone.


You want AGS 0; some AGS 1 are acceptable. AGS 2 is not good for a round.

very succinct

biostockman
to answer your question, i am not sure if you paid a decent price since i dont do price trend analysis.
however you do get what you pay for.
if you really like the diamond, that is ultimately what counts!

 

[tap02150]

Date: 9/29/2009 5:42:31 PM
Author: JulieN
you paid a cheap price and you got a cheap stone.


You want AGS 0; some AGS 1 are acceptable. AGS 2 is not good for a round.

I don''t see how your post is constructive. Who are you to say that his AGS 2 diamond isn''t perfect for him? Who is to say him or his gf/fiance cares for an AGS 0?

I believe you paid a good price for the diamond you got. For the size, you got a really good price. If you love the diamond and she loves it as well, that is all that matters!

Congrats

-Ted

 

[JulieN]

Date: 9/29/2009 11:30:36 PM
Author: tap02150

Date: 9/29/2009 5:42:31 PM

Author: JulieN

you paid a cheap price and you got a cheap stone.

You want AGS 0; some AGS 1 are acceptable. AGS 2 is not good for a round.

I don't see how your post is constructive. Who are you to say that his AGS 2 diamond isn't perfect for him? Who is to say him or his gf/fiance cares for an AGS 0?

I believe you paid a good price for the diamond you got. For the size, you got a really good price. If you love the diamond and she loves it as well, that is all that matters!

Congrats

-Ted

How is it not constructive? The point of Rocky Talky is not to baby consumers. If he had told us what he was looking for, then of course I would refine my opinions to the criteria that he or his fiancee put forth. Since all he put down was the stats to the diamond, I basically told him that he got what he paid for.

However, I see now this is an AGS DQR-if it were a DQD, I'm guessing it'd be an AGS 3 or worse. But, yes, I did make a mistake and my previous comments were only applicable to light performance-based DQDs.

Indeed, the cheapest comparable stone is 4500, so you might say he got a great deal.

 

[Lorelei]

Seeing an Idealscope image for this diamond would have been very useful as that would tell us more about how those crown and pavilion angles are working together, maybe you could ask JA to email you the image then post it here.